Unity - List of Games; which are going to be Delisted

[Karsui]

Hello, since I couldn't find anywhere such topic, I would like to ask (or possible create myself) a list of games which are going to be Delisted by January 1, 2024.

This case is also really conserning, because it means that some of the retail Steam Key licenses might stop working as well (altho this is ONLY my speculation and NOT confirmed fact).

[Wolfpig]

There is no such list and no sane developer would make such a decision in the time of a few days.

And as far as i read.......the tweet from Massive was a joke ;)

[Crazy Tiger]

Why do you name Cult of the Lamb? They made a newspost to let people know they're NOT delisting the game on Steam.

from their news post:

Greetings, Cultists!

We're here to soothe the question on everyone's minds - are we deleting Cult of the Lamb due to the Unity fee changes brought down by the iron hand of the Unity execs?

No! We're not!

Edit: Also keep in mind that Unity already is backpedalling on various things they mentioned.

[Karsui]

Yea I just found out about this too.
It doesn't mean however, that it will be like this with other devs/publishers too.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Why do you name Cult of the Lamb? They made a newspost to let people know they're NOT delisting the game on Steam.

A joke tweet from them got tangled into the controversy and too many places assumed they were going to actually delist the game.

Which would be moot, since delisting the game wouldn't change the ability to install the game to previous owners. Fees would be issued regardless.

[Crashed]

If anyone who has made threats against Unity offices is outed as a Steam developer then they'll likely get forcibly delisted.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Why do you name Cult of the Lamb? They made a newspost to let people know they're NOT delisting the game on Steam.

A joke tweet from them got tangled into the controversy and too many places assumed they were going to actually delist the game.

Which would be moot, since delisting the game wouldn't change the ability to install the game to previous owners. Fees would be issued regardless.

Does that mean installing a game that has Unity leads to info being sent back to them?

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

A joke tweet from them got tangled into the controversy and too many places assumed they were going to actually delist the game.

Which would be moot, since delisting the game wouldn't change the ability to install the game to previous owners. Fees would be issued regardless.

Does that mean installing a game that has Unity leads to info being sent back to them?

Unity last year merged with IronSource. I've read that one of Ironsources projects was a way to track installs...

This new decision does put that merger in a different light.

[Kargor]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Does that mean installing a game that has Unity leads to info being sent back to them?

Likely not "installing" unless Steam offers such a service, but "first time running".

HOWEVER, I wouldn't be too concerned right now. Normally, you can't just change licensing conditions that have already been signed, so games that have already been released probably won't be affected anyway.

It's something for NEW games to be concerned about.

[nullable]

Originally posted by Karsui:

Yea I just found out about this too.
It doesn't mean however, that it will be like this with other devs/publishers too.

Lots of things are possible. A lot of people have chosen to go with wild reactionism. But realistically you have to wait for there's something concrete to react to. And there's not much yet. And it does seem like Unity is having to back track and clarify things, a couple of times now, so trying to get a list of games that will be delisted when it's not even clear for certain there's going to be an issue worth fussing over come 2024 might be jumping the gun.

And worst case scenario where I sit is people aren't happy, but Unity's fee scheme isn't so insane that it's not worth selling games anymore either. There's still lots of things that have to happen before any number of developers are going to decide to delist games over this.

[Satoru]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Does that mean installing a game that has Unity leads to info being sent back to them?

This is 'apparently' according to Unity how it works and they also have HISTORICAL INSTALL DATA somehow predating the January rollout that counts toward the install cap.

Also note that apparently they are somehow collecting this data in compliance with the GDPR. Also its apparently they are going to go back in time and know which installs were game pass installs, which ones were from charity bundles, and ll the other exceptions they keep telling us is happening.

tl;dr Unity has made a time machine and the way they're using it is to track game installs

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Satoru:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Does that mean installing a game that has Unity leads to info being sent back to them?

This is 'apparently' according to Unity how it works and they also have HISTORICAL INSTALL DATA somehow predating the January rollout that counts toward the install cap.

Also note that apparently they are somehow collecting this data in compliance with the GDPR. Also its apparently they are going to go back in time and know which installs were game pass installs, which ones were from charity bundles, and ll the other exceptions they keep telling us is happening.

tl;dr Unity has made a time machine and the way they're using it is to track game installs

With it being GDPR compliant, how do they ensure that reinstalls are from the same PC when DRMs like Denuvo tend to have amnesia in that department when something as mundane as a monthly update changes the calculated hash?

[BloodShed]

Originally posted by Karsui:

Hello, since I couldn't find anywhere such topic, I would like to ask (or possible create myself) a list of games which are going to be Delisted by January 1, 2024.

This case is also really conserning, because it means that some of the retail Steam Key licenses might stop working as well (altho this is ONLY my speculation and NOT confirmed fact).

There is no list of unity games that's getting delisted.

But there is a list of games that use the unity engine

https://steamdb.info/tech/Engine/Unity/

[Lystent]

Originally posted by Satoru:

Originally posted by Crashed:

Does that mean installing a game that has Unity leads to info being sent back to them?

This is 'apparently' according to Unity how it works and they also have HISTORICAL INSTALL DATA somehow predating the January rollout that counts toward the install cap.

Also note that apparently they are somehow collecting this data in compliance with the GDPR. Also its apparently they are going to go back in time and know which installs were game pass installs, which ones were from charity bundles, and ll the other exceptions they keep telling us is happening.

tl;dr Unity has made a time machine and the way they're using it is to track game installs

Originally posted by Crashed:

Originally posted by Satoru:

...

With it being GDPR compliant, how do they ensure that reinstalls are from the same PC when DRMs like Denuvo tend to have amnesia in that department when something as mundane as a monthly update changes the calculated hash?

Wouldn't surprise me if they weren't compliant for an extended amount of time already. Also wouldn't surprise me if they were compliant, but secretly their system was significantly inaccurate.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Crashed:

With it being GDPR compliant, how do they ensure that reinstalls are from the same PC when DRMs like Denuvo tend to have amnesia in that department when something as mundane as a monthly update changes the calculated hash?

"They have ways to" is their response anytime someone tries to get some details of the fine print. Which basically ammounts to "Space Magic"

Originally posted by Lystent:

Also wouldn't surprise me if they were compliant, but secretly their system was significantly inaccurate.

I'm quite confident they probably simply expect devs to 'trust their numbers' and pay. Then to reverse the burden of proof and swamp in bureaucracy those trying to contest.
"Did we charge you wrong? Oh sorry but pay the fees and then go through support to get it sorted out"

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by Crashed:

With it being GDPR compliant, how do they ensure that reinstalls are from the same PC when DRMs like Denuvo tend to have amnesia in that department when something as mundane as a monthly update changes the calculated hash?

"They have ways to" is their response anytime someone tries to get some details of the fine print. Which basically ammounts to "Space Magic"

Originally posted by Lystent:

Also wouldn't surprise me if they were compliant, but secretly their system was significantly inaccurate.

I'm quite confident they probably simply expect devs to 'trust their numbers' and pay. Then to reverse the burden of proof and swamp in bureaucracy those trying to contest.
"Did we charge you wrong? Oh sorry but pay the fees and then go through support to get it sorted out"

As in it counts all over again every Patch Tuesday and developers pay for it when they could have been more fair and made it per unit sold, especially when platforms like Steam are deliberately designed to allow one license to be used on multiple PCs?