Halo Community Ban

[Dr.Rumblesacks]

Never been banned or received a warning from a steam community, so not sure how to go about this. Managed to get perma banned for 4 simple words from the complete halo community: "Is this pride month?," must have come across a real touchy admin.
Dunno, guess humor and sarcasm are dead. See people trolling people all the time and in way worse convos. Sure everyone here has seen plenty of examples.
Anyone know who to contact for such things?

[Lamundari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

Diposting pertama kali oleh BJWyler:

What does the 4th of July have to do with fighting aliens? What does Halloween or Christmas have to do with fighting aliens? What about Easter, Valentine's Day, Saint Patrick's Day, or even Talk Like a Pirate Day? What does any of this have to do with fighting aliens, or fighting zombies, or killing ten rats, or anything to do with gaming - which is supposed to be an escape from reality.

Put a Halo Santa hat and nothing happens. Put a rainbow flag and everybody loses their minds.

Diposting pertama kali oleh BJWyler:

Any of these forms, just by human nature, passively become a reflection upon our times and our political ways of thinking. And they should be. It's a great way to communicate with people and be used to help improve our society.

And that's the kicker. The times are changing and some people don't want to move with them.

That's assuming all change is good. And it is most ceirtanly not.

[BJWyler]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

A good point. Although at the end it gets rather .... not thought out.

Why is that? Because you personally disagree with the notion? The fact of the matter is what I stated was the truth - various forms of media have been used as ways of reflecting the ideology of society of the time and advancing that ideology. As such, I do not believe that it should be stopped from doing that just because certain people get offended by the messages that are presented.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

But.... There's a notable difference between most of what you gave as an example and all these movements. These religious celebrations have been around for thousands of years at this point . We as a species adapted around them . These movements are new,recent. And as much as you'd like it, they don't have the same... energy. Most ceirtanly they started out meaning well . But as we speak, they are but hollowed out bodies of what they used to be. All surface level stuff.

Perhaps then, it's time for us as a species to start adapting around these new movements. And that starts by accepting them in our forms of media and entertainment, just as we have the others. These movements have been around longer than video games including Santa hats have, after all. Surface level how? And most importantly, why would that be? Is it simply because it is an easy way to dismiss the very important and valuable message behind the movement? Just because Femi-Nazis exist and use the movement for their own agenda doesn't mean that the Feminist movement does not have merit.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

And obviously they need some sort of grounding in reality, fantasy or not. You can't just come up with stuff you never even thought about.

That is literally what Fiction, Science Fiction, and Fantasy are. They are all just things we have made up! Some of the stuff has zero bearing or grounding in actual reality or laws of physics. Why is two same ♥♥♥ people kissing more immersion breaking than someone throwing a fireball from their hands, or someone with an infinite number of arrows in their quiver?

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

The difference lies in the fact that the politics and religion in a good work of fiction meld in it. They are built around the universe.

They meld only because they don't offend people's delicate sensibilities. As an example, there is absolutely nothing in SWTOR or Guild Wars to indicate that Christmas Lights and Santa Hats have anything at all to do with the universes that contain them. Yet not only are they accepted without a second thought, in the case of SWTOR, the players demanded that the devs put that stuff in the game.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

While these later added stuff feel forced and unnatural. Even if a fanastical world.

Only because our predujices and biases make them so. Now that's not to say that there aren't examples of absolute crap inclusionism (The Last Jedi, Live Action Mulan, pretty much every Mary Sue female lead in recent movies), but that does not mean that every case has been that way, or that there is anything wrong with say Rocket League offering a rainbow paint job for my battle car. I happen to like rainbows and get excited any time I see one when looking out of my window after a passing rainstorm.

[Tito Shivan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

That's assuming all change is good. And it is most ceirtanly not.

That says a lot more than you think it does.

[Lamundari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh BJWyler:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

A good point. Although at the end it gets rather .... not thought out.

Why is that? Because you personally disagree with the notion? The fact of the matter is what I stated was the truth - various forms of media have been used as ways of reflecting the ideology of society of the time and advancing that ideology. As such, I do not believe that it should be stopped from doing that just because certain people get offended by the messages that are presented.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

But.... There's a notable difference between most of what you gave as an example and all these movements. These religious celebrations have been around for thousands of years at this point . We as a species adapted around them . These movements are new,recent. And as much as you'd like it, they don't have the same... energy. Most ceirtanly they started out meaning well . But as we speak, they are but hollowed out bodies of what they used to be. All surface level stuff.

Perhaps then, it's time for us as a species to start adapting around these new movements. And that starts by accepting them in our forms of media and entertainment, just as we have the others. These movements have been around longer than video games including Santa hats have, after all. Surface level how? And most importantly, why would that be? Is it simply because it is an easy way to dismiss the very important and valuable message behind the movement?

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

And obviously they need some sort of grounding in reality, fantasy or not. You can't just come up with stuff you never even thought about.

That is literally what Fiction, Science Fiction, and Fantasy are. They are all just things we have made up! Some of the stuff has zero bearing or grounding in actual reality or laws of physics.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

The difference lies in the fact that the politics and religion in a good work of fiction meld in it. They are built around the universe.

They meld only because they don't offend people's delicate sensibilities. As an example, there is absolutely nothing in SWTOR or Guild Wars to indicate that Christmas Lights and Santa Hats have anything at all to do with the universes that contain them. Yet not only are they accepted without a second thought, in the case of SWTOR, the players demanded that the devs put that stuff in the game.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

While these later added stuff feel forced and unnatural. Even if a fanastical world.

Only because our predujices and biases make them so. Now that's not to say that there aren't examples of absolute crap inclusionism (The Last Jedi, Live Action Mulan, pretty much every Mary Sue female lead in recent movies), but that does not mean that every case has been that way, or that there is anything wrong with say Rocket League offering a rainbow paint job for my battle car.

I see....You missed every point i made .

Nah, because it's not right. My personal opinion is irrelevant here. So should be yours . Objective points of view . That's the basis of a compelling argument.

Perhaps you should understand that thousand of years is what required us to take in these religious celebrations as the norm. While these movements are recent,not as you suggest . Decades old at best. You won't succed integrating this as the norm if it's being forced down everybody's throats. That's the biggest issue with this whole thing. You are not allowed a middle ground. You're either with or against . And that's just not how the world works. And they should be integrated in media if it makes a modicum of sense for them to be there . Forcing them everywhere is again a big problem and a good reason why people push back against it. Surface level obviously, it takes basic observational knowledge to see that these corporations are using this movement in the first place . And surface level because the way this movement acts contradicts it's very pourpose.

Not exactly. Even the most fantastical of the works of fiction have a grounding in reality. Take H.P Lovecraft for example.

And no, they meld because the original work of fiction had them built in. A fictional world with made up deities, a lore on them . Events like the ones you described or the others obviously don't fit in. They feel unnatural.Even in a fictional world.

And no, they feel that way because they are poorly implemented. Surface level changes with no context and no positive impact on the game. The most recent i can think of is the dead space remake.

[Lamundari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

That's assuming all change is good. And it is most ceirtanly not.

That says a lot more than you think it does.

It says what exactly ? Im quite curious what you think it says.

[BJWyler]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

That says a lot more than you think it does.

It says what exactly ? Im quite curious what you think it says.

It means that whether change is good or bad is a subjective thing, depending on an individual's point of view. Change, as a concept is neutral, it's how a human adapts to that change that makes it good or bad.

[Cryptic]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

The real problem is nobody was against said players in the first place. NOBODY.

Absolutely nothing was against populations that have been throughly insulted and harassed through ages? Nobody has seen people insulting others with words like "♥♥♥♥♥♥" or "♥♥♥♥♥♥" in gaming ever. Or throwing themselves slurs and obscenities as soon as one player was detected as a girl?

Turns out nothing of that has ever happened. No policies have ever been taken to fight that because never happened. And nothing of that has ever made people from said populations feel unwelcome or uncomfortable in game ever.

Sure.

Yawn. It's all people who don't want to be harassed on steam about politics who are the ones being targeted now to either bow down to said politics or being crowned as bad guys.

Also, the rhetoric here is hilarious. "...Through the ages...."

Obviously most people don't agree with it because you can just look at how many clown awards they get compared to the good awards and the vast majority of the comments are all against those events that they keep pushing which is why they have to keep closing those threads and locking them.

Just because it's 2023 and everybody thinks they know better for everybody else, doesn't mean that the rest of us have to automatically agree with everything. It's obnoxious to be pushing it on people.

[Lamundari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh BJWyler:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

It says what exactly ? Im quite curious what you think it says.

It means that whether change is good or bad is a subjective thing, depending on an individual's point of view. Change, as a bad concept is neutral, it's how a human adapts to that change that makes it good or bad.

Maybe his answer is different, after all, there's no way that's what you got from it. And no change isn't always a subjective thing. There's good change and there's bad change, regardless of personal opinion . That's basic knowledge.

[Dr.Rumblesacks]

You all need to chill. I literally started this thread so i could get in contact with the right moderators to reverse my ban. Honestly this community sucks because everyone just goes straight to arguing and fighting. Can't even start a decent conversation around here.

[Dr.Rumblesacks]

Diposting pertama kali oleh FFL2and3rocks:

Click "Community Messages" on the right and reply to the ban message.

Hello,

This community hub ban was issued by the developer's moderation staff.

Developers follow the Global Rules & Guidelines, but they may also have specific rules regarding what content is acceptable in their game hub.

We won't be reversing their decision, so we recommend contacting their support team for further information and to appeal.

If you have other questions, let us know.

Steam Support
Steven

I did reply, but this is the response I got. Also, in the rules and guidelines it states that bans are only enforced upon "repeated" breaking of rules. That's what bugs me, made one mistake and got banned because of some random moderator.
Not sure how to get in contact with their support team.

[Cryptic]

Diposting pertama kali oleh BJWyler:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cryptic:

yep. same ♥♥♥♥. they push politics and crap that has nothing to do with the game. then they ban any who question or oppose. i literally just asked what pride month had to do with fighting aliens and got a perma ban lol. f them

What does the 4th of July have to do with fighting aliens? What does Halloween or Christmas have to do with fighting aliens? What about Easter, Valentine's Day, Saint Patrick's Day, or even Talk Like a Pirate Day? What does any of this have to do with fighting aliens, or fighting zombies, or killing ten rats, or anything to do with gaming - which is supposed to be an escape from reality.

Dozens upon dozens of games include things or events related to any of these political and religious connotations in their games. Devs have regularly acknowledged these political and religious connotations in their forms of commuique (and others as well that people find less disagreeable than BLM or Pride Month for some reason). Not only do I not see people complaining about those instances, I actually see them demand it be included in many cases (SWTOR for instance).

The fact of the matter is that games, like books, prose, music, movies, and television are all forms of entertainment that have been used to spread and reflect political and religious ideologies for centuries. Any of these forms, just by human nature, passively become a reflection upon our times and our political ways of thinking. And they should be. It's a great way to communicate with people and be used to help improve our society.

"used to help improve our society"

But it doesn't. That's the point. It only creates more of a divide which we see every single day. Don't even deny that. If a song is blatantly saying everyone from one side of the political spectrum can go screw and the rest of them are all perfect in the singer's eyes, then that's a lot different than songs having deeper meanings that can be determined and interpreted by the individual listening. That's not really a good example

[BJWyler]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

Diposting pertama kali oleh BJWyler:

It means that whether change is good or bad is a subjective thing, depending on an individual's point of view. Change, as a bad concept is neutral, it's how a human adapts to that change that makes it good or bad.

Maybe his answer is different, after all, there's no way that's what you got from it. And no change isn't always a subjective thing. There's good change and there's bad change, regardless of personal opinion . That's basic knowledge.

I can't speak for Tito, I can only express what my views on that particular concept are. And that's how I have viewed change as a concept for a long time. Change is agnostic, that's a simple altruism. What makes any particular change good or bad is how any particular human addresses, manages, and adapts to that change.

Let's take Rocket League for example. Let's say that for one month they update the game to have all cars sport various rainbow paint jobs. Personally, that's a great change in my view because, like I said, I love rainbows. I'll be more than happy to play the game for a month with a rainbow paint job on my car. If that month just happens to coincide with a certain month of the year that is dedicated to recognizing a certain group of people, what do I care? Why should I care? I like rainbows and I am going to enjoy the game a lot more for that month. Someone else may have a different viewpoint. They may hate rainbows for whatever reason, or even have this crazy notion that rainbows are completely ruined for them now because somebody decided to make a rainbow flag of all things. Lahd have Mercy! For them, that change is bad, whatever their reasons. The change itself is agnostic - it's how I and that other person deals with it that makes it good or bad.

As another example, SWTOR devs changed some of the core components to the game when they released one of the previous expansion packs. They made Speed Leveling the normal leveling curve and implemented a forced Downleveling feature in the game with no option to turn it off. For me, that was considered a bad change because I preferred the slower level pace that was built in the vanilla version of the game, and enjoy going back to lower level areas as a high level character to mindlessly bash weaker mobs as a form of stress relief. As a result of that change, I pretty much stopped playing the game. Pretty bad, right? Except by me taking a step back from the game, it gave me the chance to do other things and play other games with that free time. As it turns out, I found a lot of other things I enjoyed doing because of that change. So what at first was a bad change in my mind was turned into a good change because of how I managed and adapted to that change. The change was agnostic, as there was, and is, a huge segment of the player base that found that particular change to be a positive one.

Heck, I could even mention the time I was laid off from a tech job I had. You can't get much worse of a change than that, right? Well, I managed and adapted to that change to start doing things that had a positive impact on my life and others - such as streaming and doing YouTube videos, and raising money through Extra Life. I then reflected on my needs and what I want out of a job and found a job that I actually get great satisfaction out of doing, and having a lot less job stress to go along with it. So what many see as a bad change turned out to be a very positive change instead, based upon how I handled that change.

Change is agnostic. It's how we, as humans, deal with that change that will make it a good or bad thing. Simple Truth.

[Mad Scientist]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cryptic:

Again, none of that has anything to do with the game. It should not be posted all over their community, especially if they are fully aware that it causes a great divide like the above issues do in EVERY SINGLE AREA OF LIFE. They knowingly bring a divide.

From what I'm seeing, their numbers in some of the games & the total collection are dwindling or dropping rather sharply; they've gone from 93k to 8k since 2019, so it's a modest amount of players but it doesn't look like it's going to sustain. It also doesn't help that they keep making knowingly divisive topics, and appearing to punish anyone that doesn't agree with the topic even fairly politely or constructively. This only results in more people leaving the game, so despite what could be seen as an effort "no press is bad press" to increase the player count, it's still dropping with signs of player count only temporarily increasing during summer holiday for school children.

Good example of putting the wrong people in charge of a game hub.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Feesh:

You all need to chill. I literally started this thread so i could get in contact with the right moderators to reverse my ban. Honestly this community sucks because everyone just goes straight to arguing and fighting. Can't even start a decent conversation around here.

Your realistic option is to contact xbox studios and inform them of what's going on.

[PocketYoda]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cryptic:

What about everyone else then? Like pride month for people without disabilities, people who are not black (they had a black pride month but none for example french people with pride), people who are not ♥♥♥, etc. Apparently only certain groups are "allowed" to have pride and "welcomed" by this logic.

So the real problem is you don't get your equal attention cake from the Halo devs? Noted.

Thats all you got out of that other post..wow.

[Lamundari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh BJWyler:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

Maybe his answer is different, after all, there's no way that's what you got from it. And no change isn't always a subjective thing. There's good change and there's bad change, regardless of personal opinion . That's basic knowledge.

I can't speak for Tito, I can only express what my views on that particular concept are. And that's how I have viewed change as a concept for a long time. Change is agnostic, that's a simple altruism. What makes any particular change good or bad is how any particular human addresses, manages, and adapts to that change.

Let's take Rocket League for example. Let's say that for one month they update the game to have all cars sport various rainbow paint jobs. Personally, that's a great change in my view because, like I said, I love rainbows. I'll be more than happy to play the game for a month with a rainbow paint job on my car. If that month just happens to coincide with a certain month of the year that is dedicated to recognizing a certain group of people, what do I care? Why should I care? I like rainbows and I am going to enjoy the game a lot more for that month. Someone else may have a different viewpoint. They may hate rainbows for whatever reason, or even have this crazy notion that rainbows are completely ruined for them now because somebody decided to make a rainbow flag of all things. Lahd have Mercy! For them, that change is bad, whatever their reasons. The change itself is agnostic - it's how I and that other person deals with it that makes it good or bad.

As another example, SWTOR devs changed some of the core components to the game when they released one of the previous expansion packs. They made Speed Leveling the normal leveling curve and implemented a forced Downleveling feature in the game with no option to turn it off. For me, that was considered a bad change because I preferred the slower level pace that was built in the vanilla version of the game, and enjoy going back to lower level areas as a high level character to mindlessly bash weaker mobs as a form of stress relief. As a result of that change, I pretty much stopped playing the game. Pretty bad, right? Except by me taking a step back from the game, it gave me the chance to do other things and play other games with that free time. As it turns out, I found a lot of other things I enjoyed doing because of that change. So what at first was a bad change in my mind was turned into a good change because of how I managed and adapted to that change. The change was agnostic, as there was, and is, a huge segment of the player base that found that particular change to be a positive one.

Heck, I could even mention the time I was laid off from a tech job I had. You can't get much worse of a change than that, right? Well, I managed and adapted to that change to start doing things that had a positive impact on my life and others - such as streaming and doing YouTube videos, and raising money through Extra Life. I then reflected on my needs and what I want out of a job and found a job that I actually get great satisfaction out of doing, and having a lot less job stress to go along with it. So what many see as a bad change turned out to be a very positive change instead, based upon how I handled that change.

Change is agnostic. It's how we, as humans, deal with that change that will make it a good or bad thing. Simple Truth.

I mean, you only see said change from a subjective point of view. Let's say the rocket league thing. I played it and still do so ocassionaly. From YOUR subjective point of view a rainbow decal ain't bad and all, beacuse you like rainbows. you are biased . But from an objective point of view , it's just subpar, especially compared to all the other stuff already in the game, wich is basically superior work.

Your second example..... Might be good even from an objective point of view, as messing with the leveling system messed up the tempo and made the game worse by default. Although you didn't exactly adapt to said change did you now? You outright abandonded the game and found better ones.

And then... That's more about opportunity then change....

In the end, it's a matter of perspective as well. Not all change is good and not all change is bad either. But it's your duty to discern between the good and the bad . Some changes will be bad regardless of your point of view and some will be good in the same way. It's close to impossible to reach a conclusion. There's no trully right answer, there's just exceptions.