Denuvo Anti-Cheat has been integrated into Steamworks

[la merde]

I have read in the news, that the software and kernel driver Denuvo Anti-Cheat has been integrated into the Steamworks. It says, that now it would be easier for developers to integrate this stuff.

But what does that technically mean? Is it installed automatically within the Steam service or is it just an API-thing, and it might be installed if a game uses the software? Maybe someone can tell me more. The news unfortunately does not mention any technical details.

I ask, because I don't want this driver on my system and I might remove Steam in the future.

[Cathulhu]

Steamworks is nice, but it ain't magic.

[Sazzouu]

引用自 Odra：

Multiplayer oriented.
Optional for developers.
Denuvo AC is not Denuvo DRM.

Anything that gets more AC in mp games is ok in my book.

This. A thousand times this

[WhiteKnight]

Just got up from sleep and i was like whaaaaaaaaaaaat?????. Denuvo is now in steamworks?. Then i read the anti-cheat part and i was like ok...

Anyways does anyone use this now?. Doom Enteral had it and then removed.

I did wish there were more competitor for Easy Anti-Cheat.

[Satoru]

引用自 lukaself：

In usual Irdeto fashion, they worded their announcement and especially the meaning of the word "integration" in a way which lets the reader assume Steamworks is using DAC (when it's seemingly DAC which is now using Steamworks) and that they're now partnering with Valve.

Note that 'integration' is the correct wording from a developer standpoint. It integrates with Steamworks and automates several pieces of interacting with the Steamworks API. The intended audience, developers, understand what this word means in this context.

I'm not holding my breath for an official comment from Valve, but if there's any, my bet is on a strong denia

Again why? Because a press release not intended for 'gamers' is being misinterpreted by them in some weird way. Why should they care what 'gamers' think about this. its totally irrelevant and doenst need to be clarified because 'gamers' cant read a press release

[[?]legit]

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

I was being lazy but I did find them.

:rbiggrin:

Glad you found them.

[|VIP| Spectre]

This is not about whether or not Denuvo AC is Denuvo DRM. The issue is that the developers of Denuvo are the same people that made the Sony BMG Rootkit, malware that affected thousands of computers. I don't want anything from these same people anywhere near my hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

[Start_Running]

引用自 |VIP-S| Spectre：

This is not about whether or not Denuvo AC is Denuvo DRM. The issue is that the developers of Denuvo are the same people that made the Sony BMG Rootkit, malware that affected thousands of computers. I don't want anything from these same people anywhere near my hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

Then just don't buy the games that use Denuvo AC. Problem solved.

[Start_Running]

引用自 lukaself：

引用自 Satoru：

The nonsensical BS FUD of bringing up something from literally a DECADE ago that has anything to do with today is just astounding how you anti-Denovo people are so far removed from reality

"you anti-Denuvo people"... *sigh* Just like that we're back into prejudice and hating a whole consumer group for the opinions of a few individuals. Stay classy.

So much for the calm and level headed discussion. I'm out. :clickbutton:

He's kinda right though. Why bring up something 10 years ago, that has no connection with anything today? Because it provides some vague justification to a position or confirms a narrative ione is already invested in.

[la merde]

The problems I see with “don’t buy games with the Denuvo AC” are
1) it is not well documented where this protection is active and we are not. Sometimes it is written as an important information on the shop page, but not always
2) In addition to that, it unfortunately might change with just an update, which is not nice, because you have already bought the game
3) Side note: No matter how long ago it was, the idea behind the problem still exist and still is the same

[Start_Running]

引用自 la merde：

The problems I see with “don’t buy games with the Denuvo AC” are
1) it is not well documented where this protection is active and we are not. Sometimes it is written as an important information on the shop page, but not always

Check the Eula.

2) In addition to that, it unfortunately might change with just an update, which is not nice, because you have already bought the game

The same holds ruue for any game you have allready bought.

3) Side note: No matter how long ago it was, the idea behind the problem still exist and still is the same

You are comparing software tools written for coyprotection to an Anti-Cheat. These two things are not the same in either their operation, or in the problem they are being empoyed to address. You literally just seem to be reactiong to the word 'Denuvo'.

So to address 1&2.
Your best bet is to not buy any games and not play any of the digitally acquired games you've allready purchased. Have fun with that.

[Junior]

引用自 Odra：

Multiplayer oriented.
Optional for developers.
Denuvo AC is not Denuvo DRM.

Anything that gets more AC in mp games is ok in my book.

as long as the anti cheat try to avoid banning inocent users, vac is great cause it care about its users, but some anti cheats out there do trigger some false bans.

[WhiteKnight]

引用自 Andy：

引用自 Odra：

Multiplayer oriented.
Optional for developers.
Denuvo AC is not Denuvo DRM.

Anything that gets more AC in mp games is ok in my book.

as long as the anti cheat try to avoid banning inocent users, vac is great cause it care about its users, but some anti cheats out there do trigger some false bans.

Wasn't there reports that VAC banned innocent users?.

[Junior]

引用自 WhiteKnight：

Wasn't there reports that VAC banned innocent users?.

valve reverted these bans, but theres some source code on github that don't cheat and don't touch the game that trigger bans on pubg and leave a game ban on accout for example banning a innocent user, fortnite also banned some users innocently (got reverteD) its just that vac care more about this than other games, some games ban you for having cheat engine for example, vac don't do this vac warns and everything its a much better anti cheat and safer than others...

i trust vac, i don't trust overwatch system much, and one of reasons i don't play pubg is cause i don't trust it due to the open source code that triggers a ban there.

[R4VI4TOR]

What people dont understand is that they are laying the basement for further Denuvo integration, and the driver, which at one point will be forcefully and nearly silent installed thats why everybody should fight it like the devil. The developers cannot be trusted, since they created Denuvo Protection with an backdoor option.

[Darren]

引用自 R4VI4TOR：

What people dont understand is that they are laying the basement for further Denuvo integration, and the driver, which at one point will be forcefully and nearly silent installed thats why everybody should fight it like the devil. The developers cannot be trusted, since they created Denuvo Protection with an backdoor option.

*shakes head* You've gotten it backwards.

Denuvo Anti-Cheat has integrated with Steamworks. Which means that it is now capable of issues Game Bans without the Developer of the application using Denuvo Anti-Cheat having to build that part of the logic themselves (i.e. get notified of cheat from DAC, send the appropriate message to Steam via Steamworks to indicate that this player should be flagged as game banned).

Steamworks itself is unchanged. Nobody is getting a driver installed anywhere (well unless they have a game that is using Denuvo Anti-Cheat and it needs one). Whether any game will take up DAC remains to be seen (it's a new player on the anti-cheat market so there is no doubt a lot of people dubious that it'd provide better results than the much older more established ones).