xBCxRangers Nov 16, 2023 @ 8:31am
Should Valve consider a Stream Service?
Looking at this news here....

https://www.ign.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-now-finally-adds-xbox-account-syncing-and-pc-game-pass-support

Even Xbox, with their own streaming services thru Game Pass, has signed a deal with Ge Force Now.

So did Mr Newell.

However, the difference is, Nvidia seems to be making a fortune, with Steam. As Xbox does not seem to want to sell machines apparently. Just Game Pass.

Would it not be better, for Valve just come out with their own Stream service, one that can be played, not just on PC, but on Consoles and Phones, like GFN and GP can?

And even mitigate these OS ending issues affecting millions, if he can just charge for a Streaming App, and have folks pay for that of they choose?
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Stingray_tm Nov 17, 2023 @ 9:50am 
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
Well, this generation may say its your fault you didn't upgrade your internet.

This is a very, very, very privileged view on those matters. I do not have any say in the availablity of stable high-speed internet in my area and I won't emigrate to South Korea just to be able to stream games. Also "upgrading my internet" will not work if there is a server-side outtage (kust like Steam had several times this week) and/or the service provider discontinues this service.
xBCxRangers Nov 17, 2023 @ 9:53am 
Originally posted by SlowMango:
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Well, this generation may say its your fault you didn't upgrade your internet. It amazing i went down my friends list on Xbox, and many of them felt if they could get a much cheaper machine, or an app just to stream games, they'd do it.

People generally get with the times. I'm a bit like you. I don't want to get with the times, but if stream gaming is what it's going to become, we may not like it, but it's gonna happen.


I'm doubting this actually happened.

Well you doubt many things and end up wrong. It's mostly about money and ease of access for many. People complained about digital taking over physical copies, but what happened?

What happened with DRM? Don't put effort on trying to think folks feel the way you do, being you just may be surprised.
Boblin the Goblin Nov 17, 2023 @ 9:54am 
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
Originally posted by SlowMango:


I'm doubting this actually happened.

Well you doubt many things and end up wrong. It's mostly about money and ease of access for many. People complained about digital taking over physical copies, but what happened?

What happened with DRM? Don't put effort on trying to think folks feel the way you do, being you just may be surprised.


Please show me where I've been wrong from claims you've made.
stream service already exists

remote play and remote play together

you can have host pc running game at home

and stream the game to your mobile device while youre on the go
Stingray_tm Nov 17, 2023 @ 9:56am 
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
Well you doubt many things and end up wrong. It's mostly about money and ease of access for many. People complained about digital taking over physical copies, but what happened?

It's not easier to access games if the service is unavailable. People already learned this the hard way, not only with Stadia, but also with streaming services like Netflix, where access to media someone "bought" was removed because of licensing issues. Happened in my country, where the whole backlog library of one studio was completely removed from every users library.
If stream only games come around, it would be the age of linux. Why having windows? Why an xbox?
It would end most of pc "development" and sales.

Just quick what ifs. I dont think everyone would do it,
and if some are not doing it,
people make a choice when buying.

And they remember stadia.


The idea of streaming only games is like suddenly saying: You now need again telephone cards that only we sell, if you want to call you need to stand with your smartphone where a phone box has been in the past, and pay old prices.
Instead of enhancing what was achieved until now.
xBCxRangers Nov 17, 2023 @ 9:57am 
Originally posted by Stingray_tm:
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
Well, this generation may say its your fault you didn't upgrade your internet.

This is a very, very, very privileged view on those matters. I do not have any say in the availablity of stable high-speed internet in my area and I won't emigrate to South Korea just to be able to stream games. Also "upgrading my internet" will not work if there is a server-side outtage (kust like Steam had several times this week) and/or the service provider discontinues this service.

Oh, well MANY privileged views here on this site, so you're def in the right place. But what's good for goose, is good for the gander lol.

And just like folks may not be able to upgrade, or not able to afford decent graphic cards, or CPU, whatever it may take to play these games, we're out in he cold lol.

Keep in mind, the biggest Steam markets are in the US, China and Russia. When you get below that, they're in single digit percentages.
Stingray_tm Nov 17, 2023 @ 10:00am 
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
Originally posted by Stingray_tm:

This is a very, very, very privileged view on those matters. I do not have any say in the availablity of stable high-speed internet in my area and I won't emigrate to South Korea just to be able to stream games. Also "upgrading my internet" will not work if there is a server-side outtage (kust like Steam had several times this week) and/or the service provider discontinues this service.

Oh, well MANY privileged views here on this site, so you're def in the right place. But what's good for goose, is good for the gander lol.

And just like folks may not be able to upgrade, or not able to afford decent graphic cards, or CPU, whatever it may take to play these games, we're out in he cold lol.

Keep in mind, the biggest Steam markets are in the US, China and Russia. When you get below that, they're in single digit percentages.

You are clearly ignoring my point, which is: Even with the best internet connection on this planet, I am not guaranteed to have access to my game. This has nothing to do with money and/or location or the quality of my internet connection. If the Steam server is down, it's down. Period. And it is not a theoretical scenario, I was not able to play multiplayer games with my friends this week twice because of a Steam problem. But I still was able to play games in offline mode.
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Stingray_tm Nov 17, 2023 @ 10:01am 
Originally posted by Muppet among Puppets:
If stream only games come around, it would be the age of linux. Why having windows? Why an xbox?
It would end most of pc "development" and sales.

It would certainly kill Indie games.
xBCxRangers Nov 17, 2023 @ 10:09am 
Originally posted by Stingray_tm:
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Oh, well MANY privileged views here on this site, so you're def in the right place. But what's good for goose, is good for the gander lol.

And just like folks may not be able to upgrade, or not able to afford decent graphic cards, or CPU, whatever it may take to play these games, we're out in he cold lol.

Keep in mind, the biggest Steam markets are in the US, China and Russia. When you get below that, they're in single digit percentages.

You are clearly ignoring my point, which is: Even with the best internet connection on this planet, I am not guaranteed to have access to my game. This has nothing to do with money and/or location or the quality of my internet connection. If the Steam server is down, it's down. Period. And it is not a theoretical scenario, I was not able to play multiplayer games with my friends this week twice because of a Steam problem. But I still was able to play games in offline mode.

I understand, but none of us are guaranteed access to our games either, apparently. What's the term they use today in being forced into tech advances?

Well, if that's where they're going, you may end up like me in a few years, begging "Mr Newell" not to do things, you may not like, and feel you're out in the cold.

So, i'm with you. If i'm crying now about losing my games, i can imagine what streaming may do. But that's why i'd never call for a sole streaming gaming model. I'm with you on that, but if only for people who want to do it. The the thing of it is, that may be the exact direction they're going.
Originally posted by Stingray_tm:
Originally posted by Muppet among Puppets:
If stream only games come around, it would be the age of linux. Why having windows? Why an xbox?
It would end most of pc "development" and sales.

It would certainly kill Indie games.
No, it would kill the first company who comes around saying:
"From us you get only the right to stream your game, for the same price as a game you can play at home OR stream....... + a monthly fee! Buy from us!"
You can not scale such a "market". 1 mio people bought teh game. Will you set up 1 mio instances to let them play? What if only 200 000 play on day one, and then say, bad game?
But what if you do not do that? Imagine the desaster. You can prepare for two things:
a) bad news including your brand name
or
b) failed scale investment

Until you get it PROBABLY right, you pay a lot in these two regards.
And then you still only make the same money as today. Whats the point?
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J4MESOX4D Nov 17, 2023 @ 10:11am 
Originally posted by Stingray_tm:
Originally posted by Muppet among Puppets:
If stream only games come around, it would be the age of linux. Why having windows? Why an xbox?
It would end most of pc "development" and sales.

It would certainly kill Indie games.
And all the major component manufacturers.
Stingray_tm Nov 17, 2023 @ 10:13am 
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
I understand, but none of us are guaranteed access to our games either, apparently. What's the term they use today in being forced into tech advances?

You can upgrade to a new OS and still have access to your games. In contrast you can't drive over to Valves server farm and reattach their network cable.
xBCxRangers Nov 17, 2023 @ 10:17am 
Originally posted by Stingray_tm:
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
I understand, but none of us are guaranteed access to our games either, apparently. What's the term they use today in being forced into tech advances?

You can upgrade to a new OS and still have access to your games. In contrast you can't drive over to Valves server farm and reattach their network cable.

No, many people cannot upgrade, and atm, is more than a million Steam users. That's more than some countries. And so if they're willing to throw them under the bus, what are they gonna do as far as Streaming, in countries that only make up single digit percentages?

It doesn't matter whats "fair" or not dude. A lot of unfair practices going on in gaming and tech matters today. Believe me, i know lol.
J4MESOX4D Nov 17, 2023 @ 10:34am 
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
Originally posted by Stingray_tm:

You can upgrade to a new OS and still have access to your games. In contrast you can't drive over to Valves server farm and reattach their network cable.

No, many people cannot upgrade, and atm, is more than a million Steam users. That's more than some countries. And so if they're willing to throw them under the bus, what are they gonna do as far as Streaming, in countries that only make up single digit percentages?

It doesn't matter whats "fair" or not dude. A lot of unfair practices going on in gaming and tech matters today. Believe me, i know lol.
Those people had the choice to upgrade (spanning over two years) and they chose not to. They will always retain their paid library which can be accessed at any time on compatible device(s)

Cloud gaming has huge limitations due to operational costs for the provider and burdens on the users side. If those want to be stretched then users will have to pay premiums and even then services will have to be capped internally. We all remember the OG PS Now where users not only had to opt into the paid service, if they wanted to play standalone games, those would be an additional cost. Borderlands 2 for instance cost £39.99 to stream for 12 days yet it was £7.49 to own at the very same time. Not much has changed in this regard and any individual titles that would be streamed would likely cost more than current full ownership. I also couldn't see major AAA publishers willing to take 5 pence per install over an outright sale.

Game Pass has proven that revenues are incredibly weak though this method so huge adoption rates are required. If MS didn't own 70% of what is on the pass, they'd have very little in terms of 3rd party games willing to go down this route. Garnering tiny margins off passive customers doesn't ooze confidence and those that want the game they make a fraction of what they would off a full download through licence ownership.
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