Is Vavle a little cheap company?

[Sinatr]

Wiki[en.wikipedia.org] says its a corporation, but I can't believe it seeing 15+ years same primitive UI for Windows Steam application with all those bugged, terrible and outdated staff all around.

Is valve hiring? I might do some work for a typical programmers salary and in a month I may be able to change.. hmm.. not sure, but maybe 10-20 pages.. VC surely can hire more to change more pages in the same time.. unless they are afraid of going bankrupts, that's a real thingie, nobody should underestimate that risk!

What I'll change asap:
- This bloody outdated chat, to have all formatting in and being WYSIWYG[en.wikipedia.org], to have some quick filters by tags (yes guys, I will add tags to it!);
- I'd gamyfy[en.wikipedia.org] everything I could, you get post counts, nice rewards, chat privileges, etc, etc.
- I'd cache all I can, no more bloody slowly popping up window with emotions;
- I will remove both screenshots, terrible old one and terrible new one and make my own ze best version;
- I will make news a news, not annoying thing in multiple places where you guys rarely go. No more popping things I promise;
- I will respect your guys time, if you want to ignore something - let it be ignored in all places. You will never hear about new DLC of ignored game, that's it.
- We probably move some things in web, where they belongs, you will have your favorite browser open that clunky stuff you need once a year.
- The UI will be beautiful.. 2020 year beautiful, not 2000 year beautiful, ok?

I could think of more once I get paid. Thank you!

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Publicado originalmente por AmsterdamHeavy:

In the early 80s Atari 2600 games went for $40 generally, with some cheaper. When Pac Man came along, prices for 1st run titles jumped to $50. When Defender was released, it was $55.

That $55 equates to $163 in todays dollars. For 8bit games.

I bought Strider for Genesis in 1992 for $70. That is $148 in todays dollars....for a 16bit game.

You have literally no idea what youre talking about.

In the last 20 years Games have gone from $50 to 69.95, 79.95, 89.95, 99.95 105.95... And thats not even special editions at $150 -250+ at current date..

Where do you live? The pricing here where I live went from 50/55 to 65/70 in 20 years.

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Publicado originalmente por AmsterdamHeavy:

...and youre still getting way more "game" than any of the examples I provided. You have no idea what youre talking about...again.

You also dont get to include DLC and "premium" editions to try and make your nonexistent point, either.

No we're not we get half a game at best, thats most likely broken and unplayable the majority of the time, then you tack on DLC and the rest.. Its a joke what we get these days..

The DLCs are on top of the special editions as well...

Not sure what games you buy, but none of the games I get on PC or console actually match what you say. Your examples (no need to quote them) also are games friends of mine bought and played since release and don't match what you say.

I'm curious why you're trying to picture something wildly different.

[PocketYoda]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Dying Light 2
Star Wars The Skywalker Saga
Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous
Outriders
Saints Row.
Elex 2

As above with the the same games.. 2021 was even worse..

None of those games are remotely broken and most have generally good reviews too. Just like your false claims that games werent $50+ before the current generation your sorely mistaken. Sure games had bugs, and bugs in games at launch are more common now.

Games are also FAR more complex, and the systems to play them are far more varied. Games now versus 30 years ago are more then a million times more complex, so your going to see more bugs that have to addressed.

All those games were broken and unplayable at release, worse than Cyberpunk.. You can lie as much as you need.

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

In the last 20 years Games have gone from $50 to 69.95, 79.95, 89.95, 99.95 105.95... And thats not even special editions at $150 -250+ at current date..

Where do you live? The pricing here where I live went from 50/55 to 65/70 in 20 years.

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

No we're not we get half a game at best, thats most likely broken and unplayable the majority of the time, then you tack on DLC and the rest.. Its a joke what we get these days..

The DLCs are on top of the special editions as well...

Not sure what games you buy, but none of the games I get on PC or console actually match what you say. Your examples (no need to quote them) also are games friends of mine bought and played since release and don't match what you say.

I'm curious why you're trying to picture something wildly different.

Australia.

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Dying Light 2
Star Wars The Skywalker Saga
Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous
Outriders
Saints Row.
Elex 2

As above with the the same games.. 2021 was even worse..

None of them where broken and completely unplayable on launch. It would show up in reviews but a lot of them have highly positive review scores.

Saints Row might being the one that had the most bugs but you could still play it.

Outriders is a game I played on Xbox PC Client and had no issues with it.
On Steam it does have mixed but it's for story and gameplay reasons.


I'm gonna guess that you either base this on what a few people state on the forums compared to the amount of people who played the game and reviewed it.

If you bought them on launch and had problems it's more likely your PC than the game.

Outriders on PC was unplayable, the game was so buggy they had to give free weapons away due to so many of the customers saves disappearing and other plethora of game breaking story bugs..

[fluxtorrent]

Well that explain it, your GOVERNMENT is the one screwing you there, not the publishers
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/why-australian-game-prices-will-not-drop/1100-6401518/

and just to tldr it for you since facts arent your strong point and its a lot of reading:

Your government has decided physical retailers get to decide the price of games and has RESTRICTED online and digital distribution from selling them at regionally adjusted prices

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

None of those games are remotely broken and most have generally good reviews too. Just like your false claims that games werent $50+ before the current generation your sorely mistaken. Sure games had bugs, and bugs in games at launch are more common now.

Games are also FAR more complex, and the systems to play them are far more varied. Games now versus 30 years ago are more then a million times more complex, so your going to see more bugs that have to addressed.

All those games were broken and unplayable at release, worse than Cyberpunk.. You can lie as much as you need.

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Where do you live? The pricing here where I live went from 50/55 to 65/70 in 20 years.


Not sure what games you buy, but none of the games I get on PC or console actually match what you say. Your examples (no need to quote them) also are games friends of mine bought and played since release and don't match what you say.

I'm curious why you're trying to picture something wildly different.

Australia.

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

None of them where broken and completely unplayable on launch. It would show up in reviews but a lot of them have highly positive review scores.

Saints Row might being the one that had the most bugs but you could still play it.

Outriders is a game I played on Xbox PC Client and had no issues with it.
On Steam it does have mixed but it's for story and gameplay reasons.


I'm gonna guess that you either base this on what a few people state on the forums compared to the amount of people who played the game and reviewed it.

If you bought them on launch and had problems it's more likely your PC than the game.

Outriders on PC was unplayable, the game was so buggy they had to give free weapons away due to so many of the customers saves disappearing and other plethora of game breaking story bugs..

I had outriders at launch, it had SERVER issues, that were resolved within days. The game was fine , you just got disconected from the server occasionally and they got it resolved.

Again, launch issues with games, especially with the servers isn't games being broken, especially when within days its all ironed out.

You also completely ignored how you were flat out wrong about the game pricing....

Also yeah, Australia sucks for pricing, always has. Its an Australia issue though

[fluxtorrent]

Hmm actually after running the historical data and adjusting for inflation games are STILL cheaper now than ever in Australia, although the margin is a lot lower than the rest of the world

[PocketYoda]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

All those games were broken and unplayable at release, worse than Cyberpunk.. You can lie as much as you need.

Australia.

Outriders on PC was unplayable, the game was so buggy they had to give free weapons away due to so many of the customers saves disappearing and other plethora of game breaking story bugs..

I had outriders at launch, it had SERVER issues, that were resolved within days. The game was fine , you just got disconected from the server occasionally and they got it resolved.

Again, launch issues with games, especially with the servers isn't games being broken, especially when within days its all ironed out.

You also completely ignored how you were flat out wrong about the game pricing....

Also yeah, Australia sucks for pricing, always has. Its an Australia issue though

It still doesn't change the fact that games have inflated to extremes in the last 20 years here, That Australia issue is pricing customers out of gaming permanently..

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

I had outriders at launch, it had SERVER issues, that were resolved within days. The game was fine , you just got disconected from the server occasionally and they got it resolved.

Again, launch issues with games, especially with the servers isn't games being broken, especially when within days its all ironed out.

You also completely ignored how you were flat out wrong about the game pricing....

Also yeah, Australia sucks for pricing, always has. Its an Australia issue though

It still doesn't change the fact that games have inflated to extremes in the last 20 years here, That Australia issue is pricing customers out of gaming permanently..

Yeah and you have your government to thank for that. Those of use not where you are.. have not had that experience. And so far it doesn't seem to be slowing down australian gamers.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

I had outriders at launch, it had SERVER issues, that were resolved within days. The game was fine , you just got disconected from the server occasionally and they got it resolved.

Again, launch issues with games, especially with the servers isn't games being broken, especially when within days its all ironed out.

You also completely ignored how you were flat out wrong about the game pricing....

Also yeah, Australia sucks for pricing, always has. Its an Australia issue though

It still doesn't change the fact that games have inflated to extremes in the last 20 years here, That Australia issue is pricing customers out of gaming permanently..

Which is not Steam's, nor Developers or Publishers fault. Thank your government, don't cast the blame elsewhere as you're attempting.

[PocketYoda]

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

It still doesn't change the fact that games have inflated to extremes in the last 20 years here, That Australia issue is pricing customers out of gaming permanently..

Yeah and you have your government to thank for that. Those of use not where you are.. have not had that experience. And so far it doesn't seem to be slowing down australian gamers.

Bull its publishers cranking the prices not our Government.. The Gov GST here is only 10% and these games far soar above the conversion rates and Gov GST, its nothing to do with government, stop using that fallacy.

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

It still doesn't change the fact that games have inflated to extremes in the last 20 years here, That Australia issue is pricing customers out of gaming permanently..

Which is not Steam's, nor Developers or Publishers fault. Thank your government, don't cast the blame elsewhere as you're attempting.

Its publishers not government..

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Yeah and you have your government to thank for that. Those of use not where you are.. have not had that experience. And so far it doesn't seem to be slowing down australian gamers.

Bull its publishers cranking the prices not our Government.. The Gov GST here is only 10% and these games far soar above the conversion rates and Gov GST, its nothing to do with government, stop using that fallacy.

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Which is not Steam's, nor Developers or Publishers fault. Thank your government, don't cast the blame elsewhere as you're attempting.

Its publishers not government..

Better look again.

[fluxtorrent]

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Yeah and you have your government to thank for that. Those of use not where you are.. have not had that experience. And so far it doesn't seem to be slowing down australian gamers.

Bull its publishers cranking the prices not our Government.. The Gov GST here is only 10% and these games far soar above the conversion rates and Gov GST, its nothing to do with government, stop using that fallacy.

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Which is not Steam's, nor Developers or Publishers fault. Thank your government, don't cast the blame elsewhere as you're attempting.

Its publishers not government..

No, its not. Your GOVERNMENT dictated that the local physical retailers (who lobbied hard and have an organization) get to dictate the prices, and that online and digital retailers MAY NOT reduce their price to compete

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por fluxtorrent:

Publicado originalmente por Pocket Yoda:

Bull its publishers cranking the prices not our Government.. The Gov GST here is only 10% and these games far soar above the conversion rates and Gov GST, its nothing to do with government, stop using that fallacy.

Its publishers not government..

No, its not. Your GOVERNMENT dictated that the local physical retailers (who lobbied hard and have an organization) get to dictate the prices, and that online and digital retailers MAY NOT reduce their price to compete

This right here. Plus the horrible conversion rate as well.

Oh! Almost forgot. The government even decided to add an import tax, on digital goods that you can't by at retail!

She is the publishers fault though, lol....

[Hammer Of Evil]

Publicado originalmente por Sinatr:

Is Vavle a little cheap company?

lmao.

ya i'm sure they're going to hire you when you don't know its the largest gaming platform in north america, that does billions in income per year.

i think your vision is a little small for valve, but keep trying really hard, maybe you'll do it.