Why ban evasion is acceptable in terms?

[Sub-Zero]

I noticed that if you got VAC banned, you have like 2 choices. Start all over again or keep it as hat of shame.

And yet, Valve allows you to create a new account to start all over again, even your previous account got banned. As meaning ban evading.

Why is that allowed?

[feytharn]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

I noticed that if you got VAC banned, you have like 2 choices. Start all over again or keep it as hat of shame.

And yet, Valve allows you to create a new account to start all over again, even your previous account got banned. As meaning ban evading.

Why is that allowed?

Because Valve generally does not ban users, they ban acounts. This goes for Vac bans as well as account locks or community bans.
That makes it much easier to deal with users who get their accounts 'borrowed' by whatever means.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

VAC bans accounts not people.

[Sub-Zero]

Originally posted by feytharn:

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

I noticed that if you got VAC banned, you have like 2 choices. Start all over again or keep it as hat of shame.

And yet, Valve allows you to create a new account to start all over again, even your previous account got banned. As meaning ban evading.

Why is that allowed?

Because Valve generally does not ban users, they ban acounts. This goes for Vac bans as well as account locks or community bans.
That makes it much easier to deal with users who get their accounts 'borrowed' by whatever means.

Um... Like for example. Let's just say that person "Alpha" got Vac banned or Game banned. Even though got nothing valuable in his account left. Just mere f2ps games.

And he creates new fresh account, with like no any giving bans. Basically ban evade.

It just feels a bit silly, to create account just to ban evade. Rather like carry over.

[Sub-Zero]

Originally posted by Judgmental Amaterasu:

VAC bans accounts not people.

I didn't said that it bans people.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

Originally posted by feytharn:

Because Valve generally does not ban users, they ban acounts. This goes for Vac bans as well as account locks or community bans.
That makes it much easier to deal with users who get their accounts 'borrowed' by whatever means.

Um... Like for example. Let's just say that person "Alpha" got Vac banned or Game banned. Even though got nothing valuable in his account left. Just mere f2ps games.

And he creates new fresh account, with like no any giving bans. Basically ban evade.

It just feels a bit silly, to create account just to ban evade. Rather like carry over.

If someone wants to play the game on a VAC secured server, then they have to create a new account.

People play games in internet cafes, make mistakes by trying out a cheat and learn from it, get their accounts compromised and the hijacker cheats, etc. There can be all kinds of reasons why a VAC ban occurs and there can also be all kinds of reasons why someone would want a clean slate.

[feytharn]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

Originally posted by Judgmental Amaterasu:

VAC bans accounts not people.

I didn't said that it bans people.

No, but that would be the only solution to the problem of allowing ban evasions.

[Wolf Knight]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

Originally posted by Judgmental Amaterasu:

VAC bans accounts not people.

I didn't said that it bans people.

if an account is banned, then its just the account. ban evasion is not possible
if a person is banned, then making a new account to get around the ban is ban evasion

it is up to that games developer to decide if the person is banned or just the account. some games the person is banned, some games the account is banned. banning a person is a lot harder to enforce, and banning an innocent person does more harm then good.

[Bee🐝]

Many people miss this but Vac also locks all items to a Vac-banned account permanently - those items cannot be traded. For most people that's far worse than the red text. We've seen accounts banned with really high-tier items that they'll never be able to make money off.

That's why many appeals in the Vac section end in the plea. "please just let me move my items".

So, while it might seem that they're getting off with a tap on the wrist in most cases it's far worse.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

I noticed that if you got VAC banned, you have like 2 choices. Start all over again or keep it as hat of shame.

And yet, Valve allows you to create a new account to start all over again, even your previous account got banned. As meaning ban evading.

Why is that allowed?

Reasonable limitation of the system. Valve can never vbe 100% sure that a new account is the alt account of someone else. So rather than risk having an innocent person flagged with a ban that they cannot reasonably appeal....better to let them make accounts.

At worst Valve and the developer get more money and the cheater will invariably be banned again if they continue their cheating ways.

At best. Maybe the bastard learned something

[Kargor]

VAC is primarily about making money, not actually preventing users from coming back.

Also, it's much easier to just destroy an account -- you don't need to match the user with something that's more difficult to obtain, like an ID card, payment ID, phone number etc (yes, some of this can be re-gotten, but it's some effort).

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Kargor:

VAC is primarily about making money, not actually preventing users from coming back.

Also, it's much easier to just destroy an account -- you don't need to match the user with something that's more difficult to obtain, like an ID card, payment ID, phone number etc (yes, some of this can be re-gotten, but it's some effort).

I think tyhe better term is.. applying friction. Each time a cheater gets banned there's a real monetary cost associated with them getting back into the game.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

I noticed that if you got VAC banned, you have like 2 choices. Start all over again or keep it as hat of shame.

And yet, Valve allows you to create a new account to start all over again, even your previous account got banned. As meaning ban evading.

Why is that allowed?

VAC automated system, it wouldn't know if there more people, or just one person coming from said IP address, or if using same device if never thought of that, kind of why hardware banning isn't a thing, as can cause false banning wrong people for simply using internet cafe, or school computer. FYI try that with every other service that provides F2P games, and you realize it's same problem on there as well, which you be asking why microsoft allow it, why Epic allow it, why blah blah blah allows on.

Now community ban is not same, as trying to evade your ban on community can automatically get account ban as well if found be same person, or proven to be same person, which is really just up to mod/support to slam said ban hammer for community ban.

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

Originally posted by Judgmental Amaterasu:

VAC bans accounts not people.

I didn't said that it bans people.

You're asking in terms why people are allowed, rather than accounts, as accounts are control, and made by people, not the other way around, so really it's not that why accounts are allowed you're asking for truely, but rather people in terms, and answer is they don't ban people, but the accounts.

Vac bans are not removed if found to have used known cheats, that why there no 2nd chance at all, nor negotiable either.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/571A-97DA-70E9-FF74

[KalGimpa]

the question, op, is how do you stop them?

there is no easy way to stop people from making a new account without making it too hard on all the people that do not cheat

[Pscht]

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

it is up to that games developer to decide if the person is banned or just the account. some games the person is banned, some games the account is banned. banning a person is a lot harder to enforce, and banning an innocent person does more harm then good.

That leads us to: How the heckin heck can DOTA figure out which account's a smurf? I really hope it isn't [new account + plays better than a total noob + is on another player's friends list = ban]

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Originally posted by KalCuey:

the question, op, is ow do you stop them?

there is no easy way to stop people from making a new account without making it too hard on all the people that do not cheat

Easy turn the world into north korea, if someone cheats, send whole family to do manual farming labour with no pay for years, and no access to any kind of video games, movies, shows, or internet, and causing the family to resent that person. That make them think twice before even doing it, and realize, not worth it.

Jokes aside yeah there no way to stop people from actually making more accounts, or stopping them from trying to cheat. And this is something OP have to realize it's not simple to stop people just because want to stop them from doing it.