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FalconerHG 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 20분
Steam, please stop lying about Steam Deck being a top seller
I am sure the Steam Deck is a runaway success. I am happy. PC gaming going handheld successfully is a really big deal.

But you are not currently outselling games like Metal Hellsinger, or even Judgment.

If you want to promote your box, do it honestly, and leave that #1 top selling spot to the games that you are trying to champion as a gaming platform.
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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 21분 
FalconerHG님이 먼저 게시:
Steam, please stop lying about Steam Deck being a top seller

I am sure the Steam Deck is a runaway success. I am happy. PC gaming going handheld successfully is a really big deal.

But you are not currently outselling games like Metal Hellsinger, or even Judgment.

If you want to promote your box, do it honestly, and leave that #1 top selling spot to the games that you are trying to champion as a gaming platform.

It's not a lie.

Top seller is sorted by revenue generated.

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Judgmental Amaterasu 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 22분 
Why are you comparing hardware sales to software sales? That's not how calling something a top seller works.
B-o-B 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 23분 
Software <> Hardware
And a random user rant who know's/show's nothing to-boot...
Crazy Tiger 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 24분 
Considering the price of the Steam Deck, is it really a surprise that it outsells games? After all, you have to sell a bunch of copies to equal 1 Steam Deck sale.
FalconerHG 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 32분 
cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:

It's not a lie.

Top seller is sorted by revenue generated.

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The Steam Deck has been out since February, you really think they are selling 14k of these things every week still?

I realize Steamspy is far from accurate, but with a 200k-500k estimate for Hellsinger, Steam Deck would need to sell more than 14k to get the #1 spot.

Plus, the Steam Deck has ALWAYS been in the #1 spot. Unlikely, no?

*Correction* It has sat at #2 a few weeks.Still unlikely.
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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 34분 
FalconerHG님이 먼저 게시:
cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:

It's not a lie.

Top seller is sorted by revenue generated.

:qr:

The Steam Deck has been out since February, you really think they are selling 14k of these things every week still?

I realize Steamspy is far from accurate, but with a 200k-500k estimate for Hellsinger, Steam Deck would need to sell more than 14k to get the #1 spot.

Plus, the Steam Deck has ALWAYS been in the #1 spot. Unlikely, no?

They have 2 weekly drops for orders on Monday and Thursday.

Yes, they do sell that many of all 3 models combined.

People had a hard time when the Index released and was in the top spot for the same exact reason.

And Hellsinger is a $30 game and is cheaper than that in almost every region.

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Satoru 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 43분 
FalconerHG님이 먼저 게시:
The Steam Deck has been out since February, you really think they are selling 14k of these things every week still?

The Top seller list is a rolling 24 hour window. It is not for the 'week' it represents the past 24 hours of sales on the platform

I realize Steamspy is far from accurate, but with a 200k-500k estimate for Hellsinger,

Again steamspy explicilty tells you, DO NOT USE STEAMSPY NUMBERS TO ESTIMATE REVENUE

There is a reason they tell you NOT to do this

https://steamspy.com/about

"Owned" means "Sold", right?
No. "Owned" means "owned". It includes games bought on Steam, bought in retail and then activated on Steam, bought in bundles, recieved through promotions or as a gift and so on. It also includes copies temporarily given away on "free weekends", so take care when coming to conclusions about sales or revenue.

And don't forget about games without Steamworks support sold on Origin, Uplay or GOG. They're not taken into account by Steam Spy.

Its because your 'analysis' is so bad and ignores so many extremely obvious factors such as

1) The part where you don't know steam's best seller is 24 hour not 1 week window
2) The part where steam has repeatedlly told people the entire best seller list is automated and is not 'rigged'
3) The part where you totally ignore that not everyone buys their games directly on steam
4) the part where you conflate total sales with a top 10 best seller list that has a 24 hour window

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Brian9824 2022년 9월 20일 오전 8시 43분 
FalconerHG님이 먼저 게시:
cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:

It's not a lie.

Top seller is sorted by revenue generated.

:qr:

The Steam Deck has been out since February, you really think they are selling 14k of these things every week still?

I realize Steamspy is far from accurate, but with a 200k-500k estimate for Hellsinger, Steam Deck would need to sell more than 14k to get the #1 spot.

Plus, the Steam Deck has ALWAYS been in the #1 spot. Unlikely, no?

*Correction* It has sat at #2 a few weeks.Still unlikely.

Yes they are, they ramped up production and people are getting their pre-orders now earlier then anticipated. They haven't even worked thru their pre-orders yet, let alone started shipping units to other countries.

They are sold as fast as they are made still, with no signs of slowing down
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nullable 2022년 9월 20일 오전 10시 34분 
FalconerHG님이 먼저 게시:
cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:

It's not a lie.

Top seller is sorted by revenue generated.

:qr:

The Steam Deck has been out since February, you really think they are selling 14k of these things every week still?

You assume it must not be selling in sufficient numbers, therefore Valve is lying. But you don't have any data to base your assumptions on. So what's an uninformed user to do? Double down on their baseless assumptions.

FalconerHG님이 먼저 게시:
I realize Steamspy is far from accurate, but with a 200k-500k estimate for Hellsinger, Steam Deck would need to sell more than 14k to get the #1 spot.

Plus, the Steam Deck has ALWAYS been in the #1 spot. Unlikely, no?

*Correction* It has sat at #2 a few weeks.Still unlikely.

It's unlikely when you don't have good data and can imagine whatever is convenient.

The problem is you think Valve is putting their thumb on the scale. So your solution is demanding Valve puts their thumb on the scale to satisfy your beliefs, which is even sillier than Valve "lying" about Steam Deck revenue.

Just feeling like something is wrong, and being able to assume and engage in confirmation bias, I think you'll find makes the weakest argument possible whenever you don't have an axe to grind in any other circumstance.

And let's what-if. Let's say the Steam Deck isn't selling as well, maybe still in the top ten, but not #1 or #2. Don't you think the developer/publishers who've been unfairly treated would maybe speak up? I mean it arguably affects all the developers on Steam if Valve is manipulating their numbers. And what is Valve gaining from that in exchange for the risk? It's the sort of thing that's guaranteed to leak and cause a huge PR storm across users and developers. For what? Steam Deck demand is already pretty strong. But you assume it's all lies? And how exactly does Valve convince you? You're already convinced the current data is wrong, so different made up data you feel is more "realistic" will satisfy you? I don't think you've thought this true.

Once you believe the moon landing is a hoax, and the Earth is flat, and Steam Deck revenue is a lie, all you're gonna do is lean into confirmation bias. And reasonable people are just going to have to leave you to your nonsense conspiracies.
76561199192302951 2022년 9월 20일 오전 10시 52분 
FalconerHG님이 먼저 게시:
I am sure the Steam Deck is a runaway success. I am happy. PC gaming going handheld successfully is a really big deal.

But you are not currently outselling games like Metal Hellsinger, or even Judgment.

If you want to promote your box, do it honestly, and leave that #1 top selling spot to the games that you are trying to champion as a gaming platform.
:steambored:
davidb11 2022년 9월 20일 오전 11시 09분 
So, why did the OP lie about something so blatantly on the Steam forums?
Seems a bit silly.
Your Mom's Oshi 2022년 9월 20일 오후 12시 19분 
davidb11님이 먼저 게시:
So, why did the OP lie about something so blatantly on the Steam forums?
Seems a bit silly.
I'd say it's more of an uninformed rant and baseless accusation with no data (or knowledge of what data is) rather than a lie.
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Tharon 2022년 9월 20일 오후 12시 23분 
cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:
FalconerHG님이 먼저 게시:
Steam, please stop lying about Steam Deck being a top seller

I am sure the Steam Deck is a runaway success. I am happy. PC gaming going handheld successfully is a really big deal.

But you are not currently outselling games like Metal Hellsinger, or even Judgment.

If you want to promote your box, do it honestly, and leave that #1 top selling spot to the games that you are trying to champion as a gaming platform.

It's not a lie.

Top seller is sorted by revenue generated.

:qr:

So, luxury airplane are top sellers ?
Maybe it's not a lie but is misleading. Top sellers are always measured by number of unit sold. At least in this universe.
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Brian9824 2022년 9월 20일 오후 12시 33분 
Tharon님이 먼저 게시:
cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:

It's not a lie.

Top seller is sorted by revenue generated.

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So, luxury airplane are top sellers ?
Maybe it's not a lie but is misleading. Top sellers are always measured by number of unit sold. At least in this universe.

Not really, for businesses revenue is a completely normal metric for reporting your top seller. Especially when you have products with a vast range of prices.
Tharon 2022년 9월 20일 오후 12시 38분 
For businesses of course, but this data is directed to the customers.
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