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Chaos Feb 15, 2021 @ 7:59am
Why does getting banned from the discussions for a game prevent you from leaving a review or commenting on reviews?
This is a horrible system. This gives crappy developers so much power to prevent people critical of their game from giving them negative reviews. This pretty much means that dirty devs can ban anyone who criticizes their game on the discussions to artificially alter their game's review scores by preventing the people who don't like the game from being able to review it.

Two perfect examples of this happened to me.

First time I got temporarily banned from the The Long Dark discussions for criticizing the developer, Hinterlands Games, for pulling the game off of GeForce Now and publishing several lies about GeForce now to defend their actions. During that time I was unable to leave a review for the game.

The second time I was permanently banned from the Kingdoms of Amalur: Re-reckoning discussions by THQ Nordic's Global Community Manager for simply and politely criticizing the developers for not delivering what they promised and seemingly abandoning the game, making it seem like they released it as nothing more than a cash grab. This particular community manager has a long history of silencing and banning people for criticizing THQ Nordic. Luckily by this point I had already left a review and I can still edit that review, but I am now completely unable to comment on other reviews to either provide information or agree with them.

Valve needs to seriously reconsider how this system works because it gives far too much power to corrupt devs to silence anyone critical of their game and shadily manipulate their review scores by preventing negative reviews.
Last edited by Chaos; Feb 15, 2021 @ 8:01am
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✨Saint✨ Feb 15, 2021 @ 8:05am 
-Some people may bring their frustration or anger on the review section, this prevents it.
-You can complain about a moderator, or developer by reporting them.
-If you think your ban was unfair, you can contact steam Support.
Chaos Feb 15, 2021 @ 8:10am 
Originally posted by Saint:
-Some people may bring their frustration or anger on the review section, this prevents it.
-You can complain about a moderator, or developer by reporting them.
-If you think your ban was unfair, you can contact steam Support.

- They should rightfully be allowed to do that. If developers are unjustly banning people, those people should be allowed to point that out.

- I did, steam does nothing about it

- Second verse same as the first. In terms of the ban from the KOA:RR discussions, I reported it to steam with plenty of evidence to show that the community manager's stated reasons for banning me were false and that I had not broken any rules of the forums. All steam said was that it looked like it was an issue between me and the moderator (you know, the guy who banned me for lobbying valid criticism) so I needed to talk to him (yep, that's definitely going to achieve someting) and that they could do nothing about it.
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Radene Feb 15, 2021 @ 8:34am 
You know what, OP? I don't for a second believe you were "polite" and "constructive".

Threads like these are a dime a dozen, and every time it turns out that the people complaining about being "unjustly banned" had it coming.
KalGimpa Feb 15, 2021 @ 8:56am 
i have seen many negative reviews. some bordering on disrespctful. it sounds like you want to review the devs/pubs and not the game. if so, then that is exactly what it is for.

if you think that a mod is really overstepping and valve doesn't agree, contact the company that makes the game. couldn't hurt to send an email to their pr department and let them know that you think someone is making them look bad on the message board.
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Nx Machina Feb 15, 2021 @ 9:02am 
GeForce Now is opt in for developers it is NOT mandatory.

Hinterlands was put on Geforce Now without asking the developers permission and they had a right to complain and get it removed.

You are not banned for been polite and constructive in fact your are banned for the complete opposite.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce Feb 15, 2021 @ 9:23am 
Banned users came back to spam nonsense because they were banned.

:qr:
Satoru Feb 15, 2021 @ 9:24am 
You seem to be solving the wrong problem

1) stop gettting forum banned
2) there is no step 2

When multiple independent moderators ban you, from different game hubs, the problem isn’t the moderators. It’s your behavior

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

Stop breaking the rules. Problem solved
Chaos Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:00am 
Originally posted by Radene:
You know what, OP? I don't for a second believe you were "polite" and "constructive".

Threads like these are a dime a dozen, and every time it turns out that the people complaining about being "unjustly banned" had it coming.

You can doubt it all you want, the exact text of the post that got me banned was as follows. Some explanation to this was that this was in response to Zyddie (the aforementioned community manager) saying that my post was removed "for being insulting which is against the forum rules."

I was being insulting and violating guidelines by saying you asking for us to nominate you for an award for a story you didn't even write was ridiculous and by criticizing THQ for essentially abandoning this game post launch and not fixing any of the bugs?

You're kind of proving my point. If that's violating your guidelines then you're proving my point that you consider valid criticism to be against the rules.

Tell me, why exactly is THQ Nordic putting more effort into deleting criticism on the forums than they are into fixing key rebinding, something that they advertised as one of the key selling points of this "remaster"and still doesn't work 3 months after release?

Why have we heard no news on the Fatesworn DLC that is supposed to release in less than a month?

Why have THQ essentially gone radio silent since the release other than to beg us to nominate them for an award?

Well? Go on Zyddie, you're the community mod, you're supposed to be the one who provides the community with answers. Well, I'm part of the community and I would like some answers.

Or are you just going to delete this as well for being "insulting?"

Explain to me how in any way that is being impolite? Go on.


Originally posted by kalcuey-freehk:
i have seen many negative reviews. some bordering on disrespctful. it sounds like you want to review the devs/pubs and not the game. if so, then that is exactly what it is for.

if you think that a mod is really overstepping and valve doesn't agree, contact the company that makes the game. couldn't hurt to send an email to their pr department and let them know that you think someone is making them look bad on the message board.

No, I'm all for reviewing the game and you can clearly see that in the review I posted, the actions of the devs are merely a footnote in that review.

And when the person who banned me and is therefore overstepping his bounds is one of the higher ups at THQ Nordic, someone who has a long history of doing these kind of things, what makes you think THQ Nordic would do anything about it? What makes you think they aren't already fully aware of his behavior, and if that's the case why haven't they done anything about it already? I already did send a message to their PR team months ago when this happened and it accomplished nothing.

You can't honestly be serious in claiming that the publisher would be unaware of what one of their highest level employees is doing.

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Banned users came back to spam nonsense because they were banned.

:qr:

Literally nothing about this is nonsense, but by all means continue to claim it is.

Originally posted by Satoru:
You seem to be solving the wrong problem

1) stop gettting forum banned
2) there is no step 2

When multiple independent moderators ban you, from different game hubs, the problem isn’t the moderators. It’s your behavior

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

Stop breaking the rules. Problem solved

1) Didn't break any rules

2) Hard to not get banned when you get banned for reasons completely unrelated to any established rules.

3) The claim that "multiple independent moderators" banned me so it must be legit is probably the most laughable claim I've ever heard. That's like saying that because two people don't like you you must be a terrible person. Acting like there aren't dirty developers and dirty moderators that would abuse their power here on steam is laughably disingenuous.
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Satoru Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:04am 
Originally posted by Percival Fredrickstein:
1) Didn't break any rules

You do realize your post history is entirely visible and that one can simply peruse the rather colorful posting history you have? One doesn't even have to go that far back.

3) The claim that "multiple independent moderators" banned me so it must be legit is probably the most laughable claim I've ever heard. That's like saying that because two people don't like you you must be a terrible person.

Ah yes the "the problem must never be me it must be everyone else in the world that is the problem"

the core 'problem' here is

1) your behavior
2) your unwillingness to change your behavior to adhere to the rules

When you solve those 2 first, then all your other 'problems' magically disappear. You're going to be shocked that valve doesnt change the rules of the forums to let you keep breaking them without consequences, or to avoid the consequences of your behavior.

Its also fairly amusing your replies to this thread alone pretty much show the exact behavior that has gotten you banned my multiple different moderators in multiple different game hubs
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Chaos Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:09am 
Originally posted by Satoru:
Originally posted by Percival Fredrickstein:
1) Didn't break any rules

You do realize your post history is entirely visible and that one can simply peruse the rather colorful posting history you have? One doesn't even have to go that far back.

3) The claim that "multiple independent moderators" banned me so it must be legit is probably the most laughable claim I've ever heard. That's like saying that because two people don't like you you must be a terrible person.

Ah yes the "the problem must never be me it must be everyone else in the world that is the problem"

the core 'problem' here is

1) your behavior
2) your unwillingness to change your behavior to adhere to the rules

When you solve those 2 first, then all your other 'problems' magically disappear. You're going to be shocked that valve doesnt change the rules of the forums to let you keep breaking them without consequences, or to avoid the consequences of your behavior.

1) Yes, my post history is visible, but the posts that have been removed by moderators are not. And what one post I made years back in a completely separate discussion says has no bearing on what I said in other posts like the ones I and referring to.

"Ah yes the "the problem must never be me it must be everyone else in the world that is the problem""

"Ah yes, the problem can't possibly be someone else despite the fact that it is well known people like this exist, it must be me that's the problem."

Same argument, shows how stupid of an argument it is.

"the core 'problem' here is

1) your behavior
2) your unwillingness to change your behavior to adhere to the rules

When you solve those 2 first, then all your other 'problems' magically disappear. You're going to be shocked that valve doesnt change the rules of the forums to let you keep breaking them without consequences, or to avoid the consequences of your behavior. [/quote]"

My behavior did adhere to rules, nowhere on the rules for either forum did it say criticism was not allowed, nor did it say that criticism was considered being insulting. The fact of the matter here is that you categorically refuse to admit that some moderators might abuse their power. You assume that just because someone is given power that must mean they use it responsibly and don't abuse it, which is once again, laughably disingenuous.
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Yasahi Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:10am 
Originally posted by Percival Fredrickstein:
No, I'm all for reviewing the game and you can clearly see that in the review I posted, the actions of the devs are merely a footnote in that review.

Originally posted by Percival Fredrickstein:
1) Didn't break any rules

2) Hard to not get banned when you get banned for reasons completely unrelated to any established rules.

You're using your review to both argue moderation and to name and shame. Two rules broken right there. If that's how you operate it's really no wonder you've been hit with a few bans.
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Chaos Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:13am 
Originally posted by Yasahi:
Originally posted by Percival Fredrickstein:
No, I'm all for reviewing the game and you can clearly see that in the review I posted, the actions of the devs are merely a footnote in that review.

Originally posted by Percival Fredrickstein:
1) Didn't break any rules

2) Hard to not get banned when you get banned for reasons completely unrelated to any established rules.

You're using your review to both argue moderation and to name and shame. Two rules broken right there. If that's how you operate it's really no wonder you've been hit with a few bans.

The changes to my review weren't made until AFTER I was unjustly banned.

Maybe check dates next time before you say something categorically false.
Crazy Tiger Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:14am 
Originally posted by Percival Fredrickstein:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Banned users came back to spam nonsense because they were banned.

:qr:

Literally nothing about this is nonsense, but by all means continue to claim it is.
You are misunderstanding him. Hotsauce is answering the question in your thread title.

People who got banned spread their BS to reviews and other areas in the game hub. And no, people don't have the "right" to post there, or leave comments there or anything.
Last edited by Crazy Tiger; Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:15am
KalGimpa Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by Radene:
You know what, OP? I don't for a second believe you were "polite" and "constructive".

Threads like these are a dime a dozen, and every time it turns out that the people complaining about being "unjustly banned" had it coming.

going to have to agree. i offer a little advice based on what the op said and get a snarky little response. checked some of the other posts. i'd have given a ban as well
Chaos Feb 15, 2021 @ 10:19am 
Originally posted by Percival Fredrickstein:
Originally posted by Yasahi:



You're using your review to both argue moderation and to name and shame. Two rules broken right there. If that's how you operate it's really no wonder you've been hit with a few bans.

The changes to my review weren't made until AFTER I was unjustly banned.

Maybe check dates next time before you say something categorically false.

Was banned on the 24th as can be shown by this screenshot that shows both that my band came 9 hours ago and where my clock shows it's the 24th.

My review was updated on the 25th.

Also, if the reason I was banned from the discussions was that I was recounting what had happened in my review, the ban reason would state that... but it doesn't, it's blank. And when I messaged Zyddie afterwords asking to clarify what rules I broke, he never actually gave any, he simply linked to the global steam forum guidelines, none of which I had broken.

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