Gifting Games should be fixed

[WillKill]

Hello, I'm trying to gift my friend a game for his birthday, but I can't gift it to him because Steam "Restrictions". The issue is that I have a copy of another game by buying the 4 Pack and the region says I CAN indeed gift him that other game

This is borderline stupid for most cases, If I can't gift someone because their region prices is 10% more than me, LET ME PAY MORE MONEY to fix this.

This issue have been here for so long and never got addressed by steam staff.

1. Not showing where the region I can gift people with until I press purchase (after choosing the person, setting up the gift card, and then purchase type)
2. Having inconsistencies with gifting games from different sources (Gift Directly and Having More copies)
3. Not letting the user to GIVE MORE MONEY to buy games for someone with different region
4. (Just a nit pick) Not letting people to pay the same amount of money to someone with less money power (If a game cost 10$ on US and 50k Rp on the other person who going to receive the gift, let us pay the equivalent of 50k Rp instead the full 10$)

Please, Fix this issue. We are trying to buy stuff and steam is knowingly/unknowingly restrict that

[Drab]

Buy your friend a steam digital wallet card. Google it.

[ReBoot]

3. is apparently impossible due to legal constraints. I'd gladly pay more to gift to more expensive regions (and let Valve keep the change when gifting to cheaper regions), but from what I gathered, that's generally illegal.

[WillKill]

引用自 Drab：

Buy your friend a steam digital wallet card. Google it.

Yeah, thats what I'm probably gonna do, but its just annoying having all these steam wallet money and not being able to use it for gifting

[WillKill]

引用自 ReBoot：

3. is apparently impossible due to legal constraints. I'd gladly pay more to gift to more expensive regions (and let Valve keep the change when gifting to cheaper regions), but from what I gathered, that's generally illegal.

I looked up what you mean by illegal, All I can gather is the fact that if you do so, its called bait and switch. where you advertise the price of this item and increase it on the purchase option

This is actually pretty easy to counter, The store page can just say "This price is for personal purchase or gifting on the same region" and put a warning sign right beside the purchase button that says that the game will occur an additional fee to compensate for regional pricing

Thats the only problem "False Advertising" and really can be fixed many ways. All you need to do is to inform them before they click the add to cart or purchase

[ReBoot]

引用自 WillKill：

This is actually pretty easy to counter, The store page can just say "This price is for personal purchase or gifting on the same region" and put a warning sign right beside the purchase button that says that the game will occur an additional fee to compensate for regional pricing

My words exactly! With transparency (such as putting a huge "YO BRUH, U PAY MOAR CUZ REGION"-banner on the checkout page), this wouldn't be a problem at all.

But apparently, that's not how lawmakers in several countries see it. And just yesterday, I've met a forum poster who couldn't have cared less for any checkout pages or screen texts but wanted to click "Continue" as fast as they could (thus entirely missing Steam using not the payment method that they wanted).

We have to face the truth, one signpost of civilized countries is laws written to cater for idiots.

[WillKill]

引用自 ReBoot：

引用自 WillKill：

This is actually pretty easy to counter, The store page can just say "This price is for personal purchase or gifting on the same region" and put a warning sign right beside the purchase button that says that the game will occur an additional fee to compensate for regional pricing

My words exactly! With transparency (such as putting a huge "YO BRUH, U PAY MOAR CUZ REGION"-banner on the checkout page), this wouldn't be a problem at all. But apparently, that's not how lawmakers in several countries see it. And just yesterday, I've met a forum poster who couldn't have cared less for any checkout pages or screen texts but wanted to click "Continue" as fast as they could (thus entirely missing Steam using not the payment method that they wanted).

We have to face the truth, one signpost of civilized countries is laws written to cater for idiots.

Technically, Steam itself already did this, Terms of Services

You can skip term of services pages all you want, but at the end, its your own fault for not reading

Same goes to Cigars and Other stuff that aren't exactly good for you

[ReBoot]

引用自 WillKill：

You can skip term of services pages all you want, but at the end, its your own fault for not reading

... and if you end up paying more because not reading, it's not your fault, but Valve's. Not my words, not my view, but I'm neither an idiot nor a politician.

[WillKill]

引用自 ReBoot：

... and if you end up paying more because not reading, it's not your fault, but Valve's. Not my words, not my view, but I'm neither an idiot nor a politician.

I'm not sure, if you drive too fast and miss the sign that clearly says slow down and you crash, is it the roads fault?

I'm pretty sure that applies to anything in life, Not reading tutorial in games? good luck enjoying it.
Not reading the manual of a machine? good luck using it. Not reading the Food Composition Data? Good Luck trying to sue a company for making you diabetic

I'm pretty sure it applies to everything in the world, A Customer isn't a Dumb People that just buy anything. and if they do and regret it, its not anyone fault but them

[ReBoot]

引用自 WillKill：

引用自 ReBoot：

... and if you end up paying more because not reading, it's not your fault, but Valve's. Not my words, not my view, but I'm neither an idiot nor a politician.

I'm not sure, if you drive too fast and miss the sign that clearly says slow down and you crash, is it the roads fault?

I'm pretty sure that applies to anything in life, Not reading tutorial in games? good luck enjoying it.
Not reading the manual of a machine? good luck using it. Not reading the Food Composition Data? Good Luck trying to sue a company for making you diabetic

I'm pretty sure it applies to everything in the world, A Customer isn't a Dumb People that just buy anything. and if they do and regret it, its not anyone fault but them

Are you seriously trying to convience me, after I said that this is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid and I'm absolutely fine with paying more or Valve keeping the change?

[WillKill]

引用自 ReBoot：

Are you seriously trying to convience me, after I said that this is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid and I'm absolutely fine with paying more or Valve keeping the change?

Well I'm looking it from other laws and general common sense.

I know laws gonna twist it to make everything worse. But I'm pretty sure valve can do it

Violent Video Games were going to be banned before ESRB Ratings, and now look where we at, Super Violent and Super Graphic games, exist, because a simple sign that shows that its only suitable for certain age

People will try to make valve lose money just cause, But I'm sure they can do it

[ReBoot]

引用自 WillKill：

and general common sense

Since when does that got anything to do with laws?

引用自 WillKill：

But I'm pretty sure valve can do it

I'm sure if they could, they'd have done so already. It's not like they're NOT willing to go through hoops (such as this whole digital gift card thing, with it's own restrictions BTW).

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

引用自 WillKill：

引用自 ReBoot：

3. is apparently impossible due to legal constraints. I'd gladly pay more to gift to more expensive regions (and let Valve keep the change when gifting to cheaper regions), but from what I gathered, that's generally illegal.

I looked up what you mean by illegal, All I can gather is the fact that if you do so, its called bait and switch. where you advertise the price of this item and increase it on the purchase option

This is actually pretty easy to counter, The store page can just say "This price is for personal purchase or gifting on the same region" and put a warning sign right beside the purchase button that says that the game will occur an additional fee to compensate for regional pricing

Thats the only problem "False Advertising" and really can be fixed many ways. All you need to do is to inform them before they click the add to cart or purchase

This is asking for a lot of issue with the European Commission "EC", as well countries that has bans on things, see what you don't understand is this will give EC, and Gov a reason to come after Valve again due to EU laws, and Gov to make exacuse for provided a workaround to those that they place a ban on content for sale within said country if person is within that same said country. Not only that but there taxes that has to be said if person within said providence/state of the certain country that charges taxes on online goods, and services, which means you're avoiding paying taxes which is a red flag already, and problem doesn't stops there.

No one wanna waste their time with this crap, and to avoid giving them a reason, or any other a reason as they will seek any way they can to charge for more money on compaines that not metting on their exisiting laws.

The best work around is just giving the money flat out full stop, end of story. Your money is now credits, and credit can be given, and shared. If you're buying things online with a payment already, then what the problem? Simple math, and rates, as well you can look up guide to do custom amount to gift X amount of money to family / friend.
https://store.steampowered.com/digitalgiftcards/

https://www.howtogeek.com/331114/how-to-send-a-steam-digital-gift-card-in-any-amount/

[ReBoot]

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

Not only that but there taxes that has to be said if person within said providence/state of the certain country that charges taxes on online goods, and services, which means you're avoiding paying taxes which is a red flag already, and problem doesn't stops there.

That, however seems to play no role in the situation. The only limit we've seen is 10% price difference, nothing about taxes. I mean, how comes I can gift a game from Germany to the US? Which country are taxes paid in? HOW are taxes paid? Germany & US have a different way to calculate taxes on end-user-purchases. But none of that matters, things just work.
So all in all, nothing points @ taxes playing a role.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

引用自 ReBoot：

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉：

Not only that but there taxes that has to be said if person within said providence/state of the certain country that charges taxes on online goods, and services, which means you're avoiding paying taxes which is a red flag already, and problem doesn't stops there.

That, however seems to play no role in the situation. The only limit we've seen is 10% price difference, nothing about taxes. I mean, how comes I can gift a game from Germany to the US? Which country are taxes paid in? HOW are taxes paid? Germany & US have a different way to calculate taxes on end-user-purchases. But none of that matters, things just work.
So all in all, nothing points @ taxes playing a role.

I cross that out you're right about that.

[WillKill]

The best Valve can do right now is release a statement on why they can't do it. Rather than making us complain for 4 Years and speculating why.

I doubt Valve can't do it, it just they are lazy to do it.

I mean, Half Life 3? They never said anything about it, Never said it was cancelled, never said it was in production

I'm 100% Sure Valve doesn't care anymore. Even with EGS being better with Free games

I do hope either Valve step up their game, or perish as a storefront that doesn't listen