cerealkeller 2021 年 8 月 12 日 下午 1:31
Why Buy EA Games On Steam if Origin is Required?
My question is exactly what the title suggests. Why should I buy an EA game on Steam that requires Origin to run? I recently purchased Mass Effect Legendary Edition, not knowing Origin was required to run it. Then when I start it, I have to have Origin running also to play it. One problem is, I could have gotten it cheaper on Origin. So can anyone tell me, why bother buying games on Steam that cost more if Steam doesn't even host the game? Will Steam be hosting these games in the future? If not, I see no reason to buy any EA games on Steam going forward unless they're at a deep discount.
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♥ -Smartosh- ♥ 2021 年 8 月 16 日 上午 6:26 
Simple answer, it shows that u are playing it on steam lmao hahah:steamhappy:
JellyPuff 2021 年 8 月 16 日 上午 10:51 
I guess convenience? Even though you could just add it as a non-Steam game if you care so much.
But the big reason is, that AAA publishers are still under the illusion, that DRM has a purpose other than to inconveniencing honest, paying customers. Most of the newer game come with Denuvo and/or VMprotect or proprietary DRM-solutions on top of the 1-3 launchers. The more DRM, the better according to them.

"Oh geez...", says the pirate, "This game comes with one heck of a DRM-Turducken. Better buy it instead!".
What a very realistic scenario. :undyne:
BaLuX 2021 年 8 月 16 日 上午 11:24 
引用自 JellyPuff
I guess convenience? Even though you could just add it as a non-Steam game if you care so much.
But the big reason is, that AAA publishers are still under the illusion, that DRM has a purpose other than to inconveniencing honest, paying customers. Most of the newer game come with Denuvo and/or VMprotect or proprietary DRM-solutions on top of the 1-3 launchers. The more DRM, the better according to them.

"Oh geez...", says the pirate, "This game comes with one heck of a DRM-Turducken. Better buy it instead!".
What a very realistic scenario. :undyne:
As if plain users are experts in financial analysis and know better than publishers if DRM helps with sales or not.

As long as piracy exists DRM will also exist. The only illusion here is that people believe that DRM is incorporated for no reason, and that pirates will pirate the game nonetheless.

Whether we like it or not, it seemingly does help protect initial sales as potential pirates who are not patient are forced to buy the game.
JellyPuff 2021 年 8 月 16 日 下午 1:04 
引用自 BaLuX
As if plain users are experts in financial analysis and know better than publishers if DRM helps with sales or not.
You don't need to be an expert, just use your eyes. Plenty of DRM-free games out there doing more than just fine, including most indie-games nowadays and even some higher profile one's, like the Witcher-series or The Outer Worlds. The Witcher III sold over 11 million copies on PC alone[www.gamespot.com] - DRM-free since day 1.
There are also studies like this one[arstechnica.com], which was commissioned by the EU (and then withheld, because the results were not desirable) which were not able to link piracy to loss of sales. In fact, they found indications, that the opposite may be the case.

I'd not trust what a corporation says on that matter. Not only would they lean on arguing in their favor, they're often indecisive and contradictory on that matter, like Ubisoft[www.gamespot.com] or VALVe even.

And even if it would help, punishing everyone for piracy would still be the wrong thing to do. Might&Magic X is the most recent example in how it can make the game unplayable for everyone.
Many games from the dawn of DRM are effectively unplayable today, like games which shipped with Starforce or SecuROM. And those games, who incorporate anti-tamper, like Denuvo today will become unplayable sooner or later, if the dev/publisher decides not to patch it out. This doesn't only apply to Denuvo. If you've bought the standard edition of Control on Steam, good luck launching it without being logged into Steam and being connected to the internet (and that game even shipped DRM-free initially on the EGS).
BaLuX 2021 年 8 月 16 日 下午 1:47 
引用自 JellyPuff
Many games from the dawn of DRM are effectively unplayable today, like games which shipped with Starforce or SecuROM. And those games, who incorporate anti-tamper, like Denuvo today will become unplayable sooner or later, if the dev/publisher decides not to patch it out. This doesn't only apply to Denuvo. If you've bought the standard edition of Control on Steam, good luck launching it without being logged into Steam and being connected to the internet (and that game even shipped DRM-free initially on the EGS).
I agree, but the state of DRM is different nowadays. StarForce and secuROM were DRMs which were not only poorly developed but also posed a security risk. Fortunately those are not used anymore.

Denuvo on the other hand offers insignificant loss on performance as long as it is implemented properly. Regarding Control it does require internet connection but only when starting the game and only every X days where X depends on the implementation and varies from one game to another. Since Denuvo is incorporated on a contractual basis the game developers are paying a significant amount of money to keep it active, else it doesn't work. So all publishers are bound to remove it sooner or later from their games unless they keep paying for it.

Don't take me wrong, I am not really defending any form of DRM but I understand the reason of their existence. Now, whether it reduces piracy or not is very difficult to compare since a game either has DRM on release or it doesn't. But the scenario that impatient potential pirates are forced to buy a game when released makes the most sense to me.
JellyPuff 2021 年 8 月 16 日 下午 2:33 
Control incorporates it's own always online DRM and only on the Standard Edition on Steam, hence why it's no longer being sold (patching it is too hard apparently). The EGS standard edition is also an outdated build, but does not incorporate always online DRM anymore. Neither does the Ultimate Edition on both platforms. You're also stuck with the Standard Edition and to get rid of the always online, it needs to be removed from your account and the you need to re-buy the game (Edit: the "Ultimate Edition", that is).

引用自 BaLuX
But the scenario that impatient potential pirates are forced to buy a game when released makes the most sense to me.
I believe most people, who pirate do so out of principle and that adding more DRM confirms their stance, especially if you add AAA's usual "industry BS" on top. RE:8 likely gave birth to more pirates, thanks to Capcom's DRM implementation tanking performance, thus making the cracked version objectively a better game.
There a tons of "patient gamers" like me, who can wait months or years for pricedrops or a good sale.
To me, it makes perfect sense for there to also be loads of people having no issue waiting for DRM to be bypassed or cracked. If they're pirates, they have thousands of other games to choose from in the meantime. ;)

Got a bit sidetracked, sorry for that. In any case, requiring multiple launchers is just 100% useless, especially when there are versions with less available. Not to mention how trivial Steam's DRM is to crack. In this case, it's undoubtedly just DRM for the sake of more DRM.
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Vaneek 2021 年 8 月 17 日 上午 12:13 
引用自 ReBoot
... to have games on Steam. As a launcher, Origin is less annoying than the Square/Bethesda/Unity/basically any other launcher.
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No skill only Tiktok 2021 年 8 月 17 日 上午 3:55 
引用自 grody_antagonic
EA Games on Steam use a limited and smaller "thin" launcher that auto-starts and auto-shuts with the game. No need to actively hassle with the launcher much that way. Also it comes with all the Steam-Features included and also IT IS ON STEAM that way. I'd always buy my games on Steam. Never bought an EA game since they left here years ago, now I bought almost all of them again.
Is that thin launcher still crashes every half hour and makes the games unplayable or did they fix it?
happy 2021 年 8 月 17 日 上午 8:36 
引用自 ( °□°) ♟
引用自 grody_antagonic
EA Games on Steam use a limited and smaller "thin" launcher that auto-starts and auto-shuts with the game. No need to actively hassle with the launcher much that way. Also it comes with all the Steam-Features included and also IT IS ON STEAM that way. I'd always buy my games on Steam. Never bought an EA game since they left here years ago, now I bought almost all of them again.
Is that thin launcher still crashes every half hour and makes the games unplayable or did they fix it?
Nothing crashes for me.
Marble 2021 年 8 月 17 日 下午 1:36 
You don't even see Origin other than the overlay message which you can probably turn off anyway.

When you launch the game from Steam, it goes straight to the game, even though yes, technically Origin is running as well.

When you exit the game, Origin exits at the same time.

Is it pointless to have the Origin launcher there? At least in the case of ME Legendary Edition, yes. As far as I can see there's no DLC or online features so it definitely makes no use of Origin whatsoever.

Is it concerning with regard to game preservation? Yes. As others have pointed out, you are required to log into two different online services from two different companies just to play this single-player game. If just one of them is unavailable, you can't play.

Does it obstruct you from playing the game as you would any other Steam game? No. At this moment in time and for the foreseeable future, you can play this game as if it were any other Steam game.

I've noticed the same patterns with other launchers like Uplay and Social Club. They run in the background and exit with the game. Perhaps this is a Valve policy that 3rd-party launchers need to be as unobtrusive as possible?

Either way, read the store page about what you're buying in future...
cerealkeller 2021 年 8 月 17 日 下午 6:46 
Regarding DRM, for the most part, any popular game that doesn't have a multiplayer component required will, if it's Denuvo, still end up getting cracked, only 5-6 months, sometimes a year, after release. As long as whoever it is wanting to play it is patient, they can still play it. A lot of people, including me, don't like or won't pay full retail for a game. We'd sooner wait for a sale. For me, for a game I really want to play, I'll pay around $40. Otherwise I'll wait for a sale at around $10-$20. A lot of my games come from CDkeys or other key code sites. 9 times out of 10, I can get a key from there and it's going to be cheaper unless Steam is having a sale at that moment in time. Anyway, for people like me, the ones that have no qualms about playing a cracked game (i'm not a part of this group, it kinda sounds like it though by the way I worded it lol), they're just going to be patient and wait for the crack. They're not going to buy it anyway. But I have to imagine it does mean more sales, just not enough to make a huge difference.
I don't know how much it costs to get Denuvo DRM, but for how badly it effects some games performance, and all the controversy that stirs up, along with the people who are just waiting for the crack. Do they actually make any more money by using it?
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cerealkeller 2021 年 8 月 17 日 下午 6:57 
引用自 BaLuX
引用自 cerealkeller
(I'm not sure why this is inside this box, but this is a reply, not meant to be part of the quote)
Since when was posting a simple question in the forums "making a huge deal" out of something/nothing? There's no emotion attached to this topic, except a minor amount of irritation maybe. Maybe if I had all caps and some exclamation points I could see perceiving it that way.
Since you claimed that you won't buy EA games on steam due to origin, then you are seemingly making a big deal out of it.

Regarding hosting, the game is actually hosted on steam, so you are downloading it from there. Origin is only required for authentication.

I would have liked to have saved $5 or $10 and just cut out the middle man, Steam, and bought it on Origin, even though I don't really like Origin, it works just fine most of the time. I rarely use Steams other features, I do like Cloud saves, and their download speeds. I recently downloaded Assassin Creed Valhalla on Epic and dear God, the download speed capped out at around 30 MB/sec, the same for Xbox, and I know PlayStation is not much better if not worse. But Steam, 120 MB/sec no trouble whatsoever, games downloaded in 10-15 minutes. Hell, older games they're downloaded in under 2 minutes lol
Pin 2021 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:03 
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Sifer2 2021 年 8 月 18 日 上午 12:57 
引用自 Marble

I've noticed the same patterns with other launchers like Uplay and Social Club. They run in the background and exit with the game. Perhaps this is a Valve policy that 3rd-party launchers need to be as unobtrusive as possible?

Definitely not lol. The only policy Valve seems to have is that store page warning. It's fair game after that they can pretty much do whatever. They probably just realize how annoying it is for Steam customers which we know throught stats are probably the majority of their PC customers to have to create another account/login a second time. So they mostly attempt to make it simple. Still they could just not force Steam customers through the second hoop to begin with. Which EA lied, and pretended they were going to stop requiring Origin on newer titles. But ME:Legendary Edition they went back on that. Doesn't even make sense either given removal of all multiplayer features, and presumably no further DLC.
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