Gabe, please enable us to move away from Microsoft with linux support

[Dura_Ace]

I dont want to use Microsoft anymore. My game library says otherwise. I would like to play the games i have on a non windows platform. I hear it is possible here. I will try it.

I will be damned if i let M$ eventually make Recall compulsive and you have to enable the use of it. Just seeing and reading about Recall is offensive enough.

No, i dont have anything to hide but my own damn privacy. My privacy and my computer. Signing some one sided not tested in court EULA does not make my business, yours all of a sudden. Sending pictures of what i am doing to M$ severs every 15 min? Are you nuts? What i do on my computer is my business, even if it is watching little sea creatures, prawns. Get it? No? Dont worry about it.

[ReBoot]

What's preventing you from installing Steam on your Linux system? Hell, I've been playing Steam games on a Linux system since 2022. Why don't you jsut do the same right now?

... you can also ignore Recall. Like NOT enable it. But you're really free to play your Steam games on some Linux right now.

[Dura_Ace]

Publicado originalmente por ReBoot:

What's preventing you from installing Steam on your Linux system? Hell, I've been playing Steam games on a Linux system since 2022. Why don't you just do the same right now?

Because the games i want to play have issues. They do not mesh well. DCS seems to do ok'ish but not ideal and it still has issues.

But getting a huge company behind the idea and actively coding and contributing code to projects would do it and enable millions to leave snoopy M$ behind.

Does steam not have its own OS? I seem to think they have one. I might ttry that.

[ReBoot]

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

But getting a huge company behind the idea and actively coding and contributing code to projects would do it and enable millions to leave snoopy M$ behind.

Like Valve already doing with Steam OS and Proton? Or do you have a new idea?

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

Does steam not have its own OS? I seem to think they have one. I might ttry that.

... which is a Linux (I've already played a ton of games on).

[lailaamell]

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

I dont want to use Microsoft anymore. My game library says otherwise. I would like to play the games i have on a non windows platform. I hear it is possible here. I will try it.

I will be damned if i let M$ eventually make Recall compulsive and you have to enable the use of it. Just seeing and reading about Recall is offensive enough.

No, i dont have anything to hide but my own damn privacy. My privacy and my computer. Signing some one sided not tested in court EULA does not make my business, yours all of a sudden. Sending pictures of what i am doing to M$ severs every 15 min? Are you nuts? What i do on my computer is my business, even if it is watching little sea creatures, prawns. Get it? No? Dont worry about it.

if he dropped windows entirely it would force ppl to go to linux or use gog and epic

[DarkCrystalMethod]

I'm wondering when the game developers that have 32-bit mac games on steam will finally go 64-bit. Does steam itself even work on Mac again yet?

[ReBoot]

Publicado originalmente por DarkCrystalMethod:

I'm wondering when the game developers that have 32-bit mac games on steam will finally go 64-bit. Does steam itself even work on Mac again yet?

Likely never. Games aren't Office/Photoshop/Final Cut/you get the idea. Aside from an occasional remaster (or remake), a finished game is finished. It gets developed, finished, gets a patch or two (or a couple) but afterwards, development is over.

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Publicado originalmente por lailaamell:

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

I dont want to use Microsoft anymore. My game library says otherwise. I would like to play the games i have on a non windows platform. I hear it is possible here. I will try it.

I will be damned if i let M$ eventually make Recall compulsive and you have to enable the use of it. Just seeing and reading about Recall is offensive enough.

No, i dont have anything to hide but my own damn privacy. My privacy and my computer. Signing some one sided not tested in court EULA does not make my business, yours all of a sudden. Sending pictures of what i am doing to M$ severs every 15 min? Are you nuts? What i do on my computer is my business, even if it is watching little sea creatures, prawns. Get it? No? Dont worry about it.

if he dropped windows entirely it would force ppl to go to linux or use gog and epic

Not to mention there's no logical reason to drop windows.

"This user doesn't want windows support."

"Then they can use linux while others can use windows."

[Wolfpig]

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

Publicado originalmente por ReBoot:

What's preventing you from installing Steam on your Linux system? Hell, I've been playing Steam games on a Linux system since 2022. Why don't you just do the same right now?

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But getting a huge company behind the idea and actively coding and contributing code to projects would do it and enable millions to leave snoopy M$ behind.

Microsoft is providing code to open source Projects & Linux too.

[DarkCrystalMethod]

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

...enable millions to leave snoopy M$ behind.

Now you're gonna anger the Peanuts gang. Good grief! (no I'm not serious, but Woodstock hates you now)

[Thiesen]

My penguin is of the minty flavor...

I only play single player games or games without horrible malware disguised as DRM/anti cheats...

Works great...

I have NEVER payed money to Micro$lut (though they have probably sold all of my life to some third party scammers)... because that's what capitalistic and greedy companies do...

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

Publicado originalmente por ReBoot:

What's preventing you from installing Steam on your Linux system? Hell, I've been playing Steam games on a Linux system since 2022. Why don't you just do the same right now?

Because the games i want to play have issues. They do not mesh well. DCS seems to do ok'ish but not ideal and it still has issues.

And that will always be a thing until the game natively supports linux.
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[Haruspex]

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

Please enable us to move away from Microsoft with linux support.

Every move Valve has made in the past several years seems to be directly in pursuit of this goal, and it's pretty good already. There's nothing stopping you from installing your choice of Linux distribution today and enjoying the majority of your Steam library there.

I sense you have some apprehension, and perhaps some misunderstanding as to compatibility. It's true that Valve's Linux compatibility tool, Proton, doesn't yet mean 100% compatibility with the entire Steam catalog, but it's fairly close, and it gets closer all the time. The majority of the time, your games will "just work". Some of the time you might need to tweak something or make an adjustment to get things to work. A minority of the time there's nothing you can do, primarily for certain multiplayer titles with kernel-level anti-cheat.

Right now I think the biggest obstacle preventing people from migrating to Linux isn't compatibility, it's familiarity. Contrary to popular belief stemming from decades old FUD spread by Microsoft, Linux isn't difficult, it's just different. It has jank, but so does Windows. What trips some people up is that the Linux jank is different jank. People have grown comfortable with Windows, and they know their way around the Windows jank for the most part. Switching to Linux means forgetting decades of what you've grown accustomed to with Windows and learning a whole new OS from scratch.

One benefit I've noticed in regards to compatibility is that Linux via Proton often has better compatibility than modern windows for many older games. If I want to play the first Max Payne from 2001, for example, I have to fight with it Windows 11 and it requires me to install several third party fixes, but on Linux it just launches on the first try. (There are still a few quality of life fixes I like to apply, like the widescreen fix.)

[Crazy Tiger]

I think that OP overestimates how many people care about their OS. People use things for convenience and Windows in general is convenient.

People who want to use Linux can do so. If games don't support it, that' the game developers choice, so complain there.

[Dura_Ace]

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

I think that OP overestimates how many people care about their OS. People use things for convenience and Windows in general is convenient.

People who want to use Linux can do so. If games don't support it, that' the game developers choice, so complain there.

And i think you under estimate the number of people who do care about their privacy once given a choice. Do you want M$ sending a picture to the cloud every 15 second on the basis of that supposedly being there, to "help" you remember where you put things?

That is the M$ official reasoning behind recal. They think we are all stupid and cant remember where we put things.

In reality this is the red herring and their true aims are far more nefarious.

My IT certs are on the windows platform. But the windows i certified on and the windows it has become, post gates, is the difference between night and day.

Post Gates Windows OS aims to make money on their own platform by serving you ads and spying on you to make yet more money. They want to use you to train their AI and use you and your media, chats or whatever you use your computer for, to help train it.

If this trend continues then pretty soon you will not be able to find a coffee machine that is not connected to the internet and has a 50 page EULA.

Enough is enough. I draw the line now in the sand. My choice.

During my studies, some time i had to devote to other OS's due to the nature of interoperability and cooperation between OS's. The OSI reference model deals wit the way that works.

The linux i studied back them was fine for all but gaming due to the closed nature of graphics drivers. Now that both AMD and to some extent NVIDIA are releasing linux drivers i think my day will come sooner than later.

But trying to get hardware such as TrackIR untis to work in linux is not nice. And since i love flying in flight sims combat sims this puts a damper on my wishes.

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por ReBoot:

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

But getting a huge company behind the idea and actively coding and contributing code to projects would do it and enable millions to leave snoopy M$ behind.

Like Valve already doing with Steam OS and Proton? Or do you have a new idea?

Don't forget Vuulkan.

Publicado originalmente por Dura_Ace:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

I think that OP overestimates how many people care about their OS. People use things for convenience and Windows in general is convenient.

People who want to use Linux can do so. If games don't support it, that' the game developers choice, so complain there.

And i think you under estimate the number of people who do care about their privacy once given a choice. Do you want M$ sending a picture to the cloud every 15 second on the basis of that supposedly being there, to "help" you remember where you put things?

Meh. That's sortta not a problem for most people.I mean most people's deskytop is a mess of shortcuts anyway.

Also lats I checked. You can disable that.


M'dude. Valve has done all it can and more than any other company to push and promote linux. It's up to linux to start marketing itself. Game developers aren't going to go through the problem of recoding their games from the ground up for Linux...they don't even do that for mac.

So don't hold yer breath.

Untuill the engine makers start making an easy "COmpile for Linux" button...this is not gonna be a thing,