Change ToS to state paying is not owning

[ModWorld]

Steam is very cheeky, add to cart and simply greeted with payment options. No "buy", "lease"or purchase button indicators. Very deceitful.

Imagine returning a $10,000.00 TV to a retailer after 5 years of using because you don't own it and licence/lease got revoked. Where is my money??

[davidb11]

Huh?
THat isn't how this works at all.
You have always bought just a licence to play the game.

Only time you got it even close to owning is when you bought it in the store.
20+ years ago. :P

[Mountain Months]

shhhhh gabe newell needs a new super yacht for his fleet

[davidb11]

Mountain Months původně napsal:

shhhhh gabe newell needs a new super yacht for his fleet

I'm pretty sure he already has one.

[ModWorld]

davidb11 původně napsal:

Huh?
THat isn't how this works at all.
You have always bought just a licence to play the game.

Only time you got it even close to owning is when you bought it in the store.
20+ years ago. :P

Got it, paying isn't owning, thus not paying is owning!

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

davidb11 původně napsal:

Huh?
THat isn't how this works at all.
You have always bought just a licence to play the game.

I'm curious about something. Do you think you are contributing anything? I've seen you in a few of these topics telling people they are wrong but you never say anything that would change their mind.

[ModWorld]

SKARDAVNELNATE původně napsal:

davidb11 původně napsal:

Huh?
THat isn't how this works at all.
You have always bought just a licence to play the game.

I'm curious about something. Do you think you are contributing anything? I've seen you in a few of these topics telling people they are wrong but you never say anything that would change their mind.

Because "it" cant ;)

EDIT: GENDER rainbow dictates I cannot make assumption who I'm interacting with, thus everyone are "IT"

[V3LTA]

If I buy groceries I read the ingridient list,
If I date some one I make sure it's the gender I love, and if I buy something on steam I make sure to read the TOS that's shows up each time...

Just because you are lazy doesn't mean steam is not transparant

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

davidb11 původně napsal:

Only time you got it even close to owning is when you bought it in the store.
20+ years ago. :P

Let's think about this. Dead Space came out in 2008. I own a boxed copy on DVD. If that DVD is taken from me that is theft. I can use that DVD to install and play Dead Space at any time.

If you think that having a game in my Steam library is no different in terms of ownership than that DVD, then how is losing access to that library not theft?

[ModWorld]

V3LTA původně napsal:

If I buy groceries I read the ingridient list,
If I date some one I make sure it's the gender I love, and if I buy something on steam I make sure to read the TOS that's shows up each time...

Just because you are lazy doesn't mean steam is not transparant

Ingredient labels lie and mislead..... What if that gender you chose changes "it" mind and says the opposite? Option 1 (leave it all) Option 2 (re-coop cost)??

[Knee]

This wasn’t even the case with physical media

[ModWorld]

Knee původně napsal:

This wasn’t even the case with physical media

This isn't about physical media. I do appreciate your stance.

[Nightlight]

IIRC, there's a new California law that states that stores selling licenses for digital products can't use words like "buy" when selling them. The idea behind the law is to make it more clear to costumers that they don't actually own the thing they're paying for. I could be screwing up some details, but I think that's the gist of the law.

The language change may be because Valve is complying with the new law. Keep in mind, you were always just paying for a license on Steam, nothing has changed on that front, as far as I know.

[Start_Running]

No. M8. You like people who don't actually stop to read the ToS and understand it are simply confused as to WHAT you are actually purchasing. YOu do own what your purchase. The problem is what you're purchasing isn't what you think you're purchasing.

Kinda like you buy a car yyou see in a commercial and then wonder why it didn't come with an attractive model.

[Glimmer]

Nightlight původně napsal:

IIRC, there's a new California law that states that stores selling licenses for digital products can't use words like "buy" when selling them. The idea behind the law is to make it more clear to costumers that they don't actually own the thing they're paying for. I could be screwing up some details, but I think that's the gist of the law.

It does not completely prohibit using terms like "buy"

https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB2426/id/3022416

(b) (1) It shall be unlawful for a seller of a digital good to advertise or offer for sale a digital good to a purchaser with the terms “buy,” “purchase,” or any other term which a reasonable person would understand to confer an unrestricted ownership interest in the digital good, or alongside an option for a time-limited rental, unless either of the following occur:
(A) The seller receives at the time of each transaction an affirmative acknowledgment from the purchaser indicating all of the following:

• (i) That the purchaser is receiving a license to access the digital good.
  
• (ii) A complete list of restrictions and conditions of the license.
  
• (iii) That access to the digital good may be unilaterally revoked by the seller if they no longer hold a right to the digital good, if applicable.

(B) The seller provides to the consumer before executing each transaction a clear and conspicuous statement that does both of the following:

• (i) States in plain language that “buying” or “purchasing” the digital good is a license.
  
• (ii) Includes a hyperlink, QR code, or similar method to access the terms and conditions that provide full details on the license.

The SSA likely meets the requirements for section A, and we are required to put a check mark indicating our agreement to it (I.E. and affirmative acknowledgement).

[davidb11]

SKARDAVNELNATE původně napsal:

davidb11 původně napsal:

Huh?
THat isn't how this works at all.
You have always bought just a licence to play the game.

I'm curious about something. Do you think you are contributing anything? I've seen you in a few of these topics telling people they are wrong but you never say anything that would change their mind.

That doesn't make sense.
Why are you suggesting I'm not allowed to post unless I can magically change people's mind?
LOL wut.

THat's not how a forum works.
Also, don't claim stuff about me that makes no sense.

Oh, and you can't actually complain about the SSA changes because they actually make it easier for you to sue Valve.
That being said, digital goods have always been different than physical goods.

That's never changed.
And Steam can't steal your games.

By definition, you agree to the SSA and any changes made to it the exact second you signed up for your account.

The only way to null it is by giving up all your games.
Which is only on your end.
It's not stealing if you literally willingly give it up via a legally binding contract.

LOL wut.