Change ToS to state paying is not owning
Steam is very cheeky, add to cart and simply greeted with payment options. No "buy", "lease"or purchase button indicators. Very deceitful.

Imagine returning a $10,000.00 TV to a retailer after 5 years of using because you don't own it and licence/lease got revoked. Where is my money??
Legutóbb szerkesztette: ModWorld; 2024. okt. 4., 16:48
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When will this low iq fest stop, it's been this way before you just found out... hello?
We just need to stop buying things that we do not own after purchase.
If we do that the problem will go away.
1200V2 eredeti hozzászólása:
We just need to stop buying things that we do not own after purchase.
If we do that the problem will go away.
There is no problem since we OWN something after buying since Gaming exists, a Licence.
You are all free to view this as you wish. Consumer Rights Act 2015 described "digital goods" fit for purpose. Thus anything preventing me from using it "as expected" or not providing "satisfactory quality" invalidates the ToS. No disclaimer is above the law.
ModWorld eredeti hozzászólása:
You are all free to view this as you wish. Consumer Rights Act 2015 described "digital goods" fit for purpose. Thus anything preventing me from using it "as expected" or not providing "satisfactory quality" invalidates the ToS. No disclaimer is above the law.
No one is preventing you, thats why everything is fine since 30 Years of Physical/Digital Licences.
1200V2 eredeti hozzászólása:
We just need to stop buying things that we do not own after purchase.
If we do that the problem will go away.
Software always worked this way for ownership does also say you have right to do whate ever you wished for it since you arent allowed to copy the disc files from a cd or dvd disc you didnt own it you had the right to experiance its content . It would been pretty hard for devs to make money if everyone who bought your work can copy it and sell it and not share any of it would anyone want to develop software
Legutóbb szerkesztette: lailaamell; 2024. okt. 23., 1:00
Alright, Let's see if the people who believe that you own a license holds up, but before we go there, let's understand a few things.

One, the end user agreement doesn't create law, it however must be lawful. So the end user agreement can be challenged. Also, this agreement can be broken by either party at any time. So, stop telling everyone that the moment you agreed to the agreement that it's set in stone forever and ever and you can never prevail against it. That you have no standing. This isn't true.

Two, the end user agreement is the license. It's not part of the license, it is the license. It is the wording that formulates the agreement we all signed and sign. It's not a good or a product but an agreement. And understanding between parties. That's all it is.

And that means, I can't own it. I don't own it and here is even more proof. If I owned it, because I bought it, then I can do what I want with it. So, since it gives me access to a product I don't own, I should be able to give it to someone else for as long as the license is valid. In fact, the agreement says that my account and all that is connected to it is nontransferable, so there, I can't, nor do I, own a license. This license is a limited use license, or agreement, that is only valid until the end user agreement comes to an end and that is spelled out in the agreement.

So then, what am I paying for. Well, what you're really paying for is a subscription, but not like the kind we might know as a normal subscription. Hold on, what? That's right, but it's packaged different and they don't tell you this. Instead of paying for a subscription that gives you access to many games, you are paying to get access, a subscription, to one game. The game you are paying money to access. And what is the cost of that subscription, the price of the game.

So, what you have paid for is many subscriptions.

But all of this sounds familiar, meaning, subscribing to access and play a game like The crew and many more, right?

So, yeah, Houston we have a problem. I wasn't subscribing to anything when I paid the money. And furthermore, I wasn't told that this is what I was doing.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: joemccormack_65; 2024. okt. 23., 2:26
God I love not owning things. All I need now is a collar around my neck and a boot to lick and I will finally be complete.
Caduryn eredeti hozzászólása:
ModWorld eredeti hozzászólása:
You are all free to view this as you wish. Consumer Rights Act 2015 described "digital goods" fit for purpose. Thus anything preventing me from using it "as expected" or not providing "satisfactory quality" invalidates the ToS. No disclaimer is above the law.
No one is preventing you, thats why everything is fine since 30 Years of Physical/Digital Licences.
No one said something isn't fine. I've been happy owning my games since I was old enough to buy them.

Just mind blowing how easy some people would give up rights, be mislead to believe otherwise or just simply like to lick the boot. Similar to the "warranty void" stickers... It's fact that you can open and maintain/service and repair your hardware as expected without loosing any warranty. A trivial warranty sticker and a trivial ToS is all the same bull.
ModWorld eredeti hozzászólása:
Caduryn eredeti hozzászólása:
No one is preventing you, thats why everything is fine since 30 Years of Physical/Digital Licences.
No one said something isn't fine. I've been happy owning my games since I was old enough to buy them.

Just mind blowing how easy some people would give up rights, be mislead to believe otherwise or just simply like to lick the boot. Similar to the "warranty void" stickers... It's fact that you can open and maintain/service and repair your hardware as expected without loosing any warranty. A trivial warranty sticker and a trivial ToS is all the same bull.
Actually, you can lose the warranty repairing your own hardware. It happens all the time.

If they can show that your repairs or attempt at repairs cause damage to the hardware, your warranty is voided. Which is legal since you literally broke the warranty.
ModWorld eredeti hozzászólása:
be mislead to believe otherwise
That's all on people themselves. People who made assumptions about how things work and never bothered to read the terms of the service they use, they merely mislead themselves.

It's funny how many of you blindly follow companies and now lash out to drive attention away from that. The irony of your insults towards others is quite big.
Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:
ModWorld eredeti hozzászólása:
No one said something isn't fine. I've been happy owning my games since I was old enough to buy them.

Just mind blowing how easy some people would give up rights, be mislead to believe otherwise or just simply like to lick the boot. Similar to the "warranty void" stickers... It's fact that you can open and maintain/service and repair your hardware as expected without loosing any warranty. A trivial warranty sticker and a trivial ToS is all the same bull.
Actually, you can lose the warranty repairing your own hardware. It happens all the time.

If they can show that your repairs or attempt at repairs cause damage to the hardware, your warranty is voided. Which is legal since you literally broke the warranty.
Obviously. 1+1 = 2.... Did I imply somewhere anything to the contrary?
ModWorld eredeti hozzászólása:
Caduryn eredeti hozzászólása:
No one is preventing you, thats why everything is fine since 30 Years of Physical/Digital Licences.
No one said something isn't fine. I've been happy owning my games since I was old enough to buy them.

Just mind blowing how easy some people would give up rights, be mislead to believe otherwise or just simply like to lick the boot. Similar to the "warranty void" stickers... It's fact that you can open and maintain/service and repair your hardware as expected without loosing any warranty. A trivial warranty sticker and a trivial ToS is all the same bull.
Having the notice before checkout is essentially a forced-by-law reminder of what has always been since Day 1.

The "Warranty void if removed" sticker is because user damage is a thing for physical products, so servicing defects via repair or replacement for unexpected issues is significantly cheaper compared to repairing or replacing user-caused damages by being within the warranty period.

Some companies also do "Warranty void if removed" or "Warranty void if seal is broken" for products that are legitimately dangerous to service by people lacking knowledge/tools to safely work on something, such as a power supply which can be lethal if you don't know what you're doing. Some companies may also put "Warning" "Dangerous" with a lethal notation including voiding the warranty if opened to deter self-caused user death and as an overall deterrent and liability prevention source.

Those are two very different things as well, and they are not good comparisons.

Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:
Actually, you can lose the warranty repairing your own hardware. It happens all the time.

If they can show that your repairs or attempt at repairs cause damage to the hardware, your warranty is voided. Which is legal since you literally broke the warranty.
I used to inspect things, warranties were definitely voided and people would have to pay for proper repairs of stuff they damaged. Companies often inspect and photograph before doing anything with a product received for the purpose of repair/replacement.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Mad Scientist; 2024. okt. 23., 4:47
ModWorld eredeti hozzászólása:
Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:
Actually, you can lose the warranty repairing your own hardware. It happens all the time.

If they can show that your repairs or attempt at repairs cause damage to the hardware, your warranty is voided. Which is legal since you literally broke the warranty.
Obviously. 1+1 = 2.... Did I imply somewhere anything to the contrary?
"Open up and repair hardware as expected without losing warranty."

That isn't entirely true.
Mad Scientist eredeti hozzászólása:
ModWorld eredeti hozzászólása:
No one said something isn't fine. I've been happy owning my games since I was old enough to buy them.

Just mind blowing how easy some people would give up rights, be mislead to believe otherwise or just simply like to lick the boot. Similar to the "warranty void" stickers... It's fact that you can open and maintain/service and repair your hardware as expected without loosing any warranty. A trivial warranty sticker and a trivial ToS is all the same bull.
Having the notice before checkout is essentially a forced-by-law reminder of what has always been since Day 1.
And what you have always been told to remind yourself of since day 1.
You know part of me wonders if this law may have been a way for the courts to basically cut down on the frivolous cases of people trying to claim the games are their property becayuse they didn't understand that they were buying a license.


Mad Scientist eredeti hozzászólása:
The "Warranty void if removed" sticker is because user damage is a thing for physical products, so servicing defects via repair or replacement for unexpected issues is significantly cheaper compared to repairing or replacing user-caused damages by being within the warranty period.
This doesn't just apply to users mind you. Any repair place you take the device to will wind up in the same boat. But if you're taking it to a professuional, thatb professional is by law required to place some warranty and guarantee on their work. SO basically the warranty you get from the repair technician will replace the warranty you get from the manufactuirer or company.

It's when users who think they know what they don't know go fiddling around inside a thing that you get damage. Which means as a user if you see that sticker you best be damned sure of your abilities.
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