"Redundancy" as a ban reason is being abused for arbitrary bans

[CHAO$$$]

Having "redundancy" as a ban reason is basically a loophole to ban everything and everyone as almost everything related to humanity can be regarded as "redundant".

There are 8 billion humans on the planet, 99.9% of which havent had a unique thought in their life. Everytime anyone gives their opinion its guaranteed to be redundant.
If you use grammarly, everything you say is by design redundant as its AI trained.
99.9% of food products and consumer goods in general are redundant. Just have 1 type of nutritious soylent goop.
99.9% of youtube is redundant content.
99.9% of creative arts writing and music is redundant as it just reuses already existing concepts and ideas.

Theres a million jester farm lgbt inclusion threads made by people who dont give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ about gay rights that you do nothing about because you dont actually care about them being redundant to hell and back.

If you could, in the meantime, do something about the steam forum basically turning into the same botting heaven that youtube already is i would appreciate it. But dont do it based on redundancy. Use something thats actually able to target more specific aspects.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by captainwiseass:

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Literally, if you'd remove all of the easily identifiable redundant posts from the steam forums youd remove 90% of all posts/threads in total.

Sounds great, let's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do it.

I honestly wouldnt even mind.

The thing that i really hate about it is that its a form of rules/laws and they are being abused arbitrarily.

[Crazy Tiger]

They can use whatever reason they want, it's not like you're owed a place on the forums to begin with. If you say you like blue and they only want red, they can easily give you the boot.

Reminds me of the "stupid" ban we had on a forum. People who were jerks or just trolling always got the "stupid" ban, complete with a dunce hat over their username.

That said, I have been running into bans myself encountering certain users. Oddly enough not the ones who are claimed to be "favorited", but the ones who make those very claims...

[veracsthane]

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

Originally posted by veracsthane:

we all do buddy. its always the same people and its always the same handful of options always after a disagreement.

id name them but im i know steam would uphold another bs ban while refusing to ban the bad actors who are only being named for their own known and accepted behaviours.

i started blocking them and sure enough its like 4 of us who waste our time with them the rest just left and gave up or dont waste their time with them anymore.

edit it it means the bans are only being upheld/made because its easier then banning the pestulant children making the reports. which means it can only get worse in the future.

yes, ive had a suspicion for a while the mods play favorites. Which makes these foruma even more of a complete joke

they arent playing favorites.

they dont read the posts or reports. that group loves to agitate and spams reports and since no one disputes their bs bans they just assume the bad actors are in good faith.

its works more like 1 legit ban into 20 bs bans because they look at names only and just assume the issue is unchanged.

i literally made a report because a person marketed as a steam mod had admitted fusing qoutes to make accusations was a super easy ban. i was banned for reporting someone who did that with my post and another persons post.

a bot would have seen who made the report and who made the reported post and if a bot did it they would not have banned me falsely.

btw they unbanned me and gave the clown who admitted to a flagging campaign one day ban. i know for a fact they saw that admission because i made a support ticket about it and they ignored it and didnt give a ♥♥♥♥.

its not the only ban they did like that either. there where 3 or 4 of them and i only care enough to remember the 1 above and vageuly remember a second.

the bans arent even the issue. we have dealt with bans else where. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ didnt happen over night and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ asked for it begged for and bragged how they wanted it.

[veracsthane]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

They can use whatever reason they want, it's not like you're owed a place on the forums to begin with. If you say you like blue and they only want red, they can easily give you the boot.

Reminds me of the "stupid" ban we had on a forum. People who were jerks or just trolling always got the "stupid" ban, complete with a dunce hat over their username.

That said, I have been running into bans myself encountering certain users. Oddly enough not the ones who are claimed to be "favorited", but the ones who make those very claims...

more importantly any of us who are older then born yesterday remember the far more private forum days where clowns would sext themselves to make themselves look better and just sat thee rolling our eyes at them.

the reason we know who the bad actors are is because they are always there. always disagreeing with them idk how people think the mods are playing favorites when its obvious they dont read anything.

edit in there is a huge difference between
-♥♥♥♥ me
and
-♥♥♥♥ you
despite the one word being different and context has always mattered. they see the heats and their dont even think.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

The thing that i really hate about it is that its a form of rules/laws and they are being abused arbitrarily.

expanding on that

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Originally posted by morrisseyshair:

I remember one time I got banned for a post I made 4 months ago. That means a mod went through my post history just to find something to ban me over. That's the type of pettiness we're dealing with here. It made me sad for that person.

Nah, mods only read reported stuff. An user went through your post history looking for something reportable, or simply came across your post later.

I know ive reported a billion "lgbt+ inclusion" threads on the space marine 2 forum from people who really are only jester farming/trolling and dont care about gay rights at all (like i said in OP) but those never get removed.

Wether that is because theres people abusing a minimum threshold number that is required to reach for reports to be considered by moderatrs and just make bot accounts to reach those thresholds or moderators abusing power is up for debate but either way its a terrible system because its clearly not doing what its intended to do evenly and if it did there would be almost no content on steam.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by veracsthane:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

They can use whatever reason they want, it's not like you're owed a place on the forums to begin with. If you say you like blue and they only want red, they can easily give you the boot.

Reminds me of the "stupid" ban we had on a forum. People who were jerks or just trolling always got the "stupid" ban, complete with a dunce hat over their username.

That said, I have been running into bans myself encountering certain users. Oddly enough not the ones who are claimed to be "favorited", but the ones who make those very claims...

more importantly any of us who are older then born yesterday remember the far more private forum days where clowns would sext themselves to make themselves look better and just sat thee rolling our eyes at them.

the reason we know who the bad actors are is because they are always there. always disagreeing with them idk how people think the mods are playing favorites when its obvious they dont read anything.

Paid mods not checking context is a staple of Steam moderation by now. Same with game hub mods moderating in favor of their developers.

Could be I'm indeed too old for it all now, but all of this for me just feels like "it's tuesday", you know.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

The thing that i really hate about it is that its a form of rules/laws and they are being abused arbitrarily.

expanding on that

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Nah, mods only read reported stuff. An user went through your post history looking for something reportable, or simply came across your post later.

I know ive reported a billion "lgbt+ inclusion" threads on the space marine 2 forum from people who really are only jester farming/trolling and dont care about gay rights at all (like i said in OP) but those never get removed.

Wether that is because theres people abusing a minimum threshold number that is required to reach for reports to be considered by moderatrs and just make bot accounts to reach those thresholds or moderators abusing power is up for debate but either way its a terrible system because its clearly not doing what its intended to do evenly and if it did there would be almost no content on steam.

Why are you excluding the very likely option of "The game devs and their mods don't give a hoot about those threads"?

Remember, game devs are allowed to run their hubs as they like. They don't *have* to remove such stuff if they don't want.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

They can use whatever reason they want, it's not like you're owed a place on the forums to begin with. If you say you like blue and they only want red, they can easily give you the boot.

Reminds me of the "stupid" ban we had on a forum. People who were jerks or just trolling always got the "stupid" ban, complete with a dunce hat over their username.

That said, I have been running into bans myself encountering certain users. Oddly enough not the ones who are claimed to be "favorited", but the ones who make those very claims...

oh i know they can use any reason. They really should just give up on the facade of having rules tbh, since moderation usually just bans on whatever they happen to fee like.
And well with favorits i wouldnt have any idea who youre referingbtoo since the moderators qill ban you for naming and shaming, so i guess theyll remain anonymous

There are two "groups" of people on the forums who have been having a petty little forum war for quite a while now. One group is the so-called "agitators", the others are the ones who complain about said "agitators" not getting moderated, being undercover mods, favorites, etc.

One would expect to get banned by running into the former, but I get banned when I run into the latter.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Remember, game devs are allowed to run their hubs as they like. They don't *have* to remove such stuff if they don't want.

to a point, less we forget the Domina dev 😆

Yeah, but he made the mistake of literally going against Valve.

[76561199535614511]

Originally posted by captainwiseass:

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Literally, if you'd remove all of the easily identifiable redundant posts from the steam forums youd remove 90% of all posts/threads in total.

Sounds great, let's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do it.

+1

[veracsthane]

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Remember, game devs are allowed to run their hubs as they like. They don't *have* to remove such stuff if they don't want.

to a point, less we forget the Domina dev 😆

if thats the lady who was trying to cause problems well duh. that wasnt moderation that was agian the thing i complain about constantly a politcal activist who should have gotten the boot faster.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

expanding on that





I know ive reported a billion "lgbt+ inclusion" threads on the space marine 2 forum from people who really are only jester farming/trolling and dont care about gay rights at all (like i said in OP) but those never get removed.

Wether that is because theres people abusing a minimum threshold number that is required to reach for reports to be considered by moderatrs and just make bot accounts to reach those thresholds or moderators abusing power is up for debate but either way its a terrible system because its clearly not doing what its intended to do evenly and if it did there would be almost no content on steam.

Why are you excluding the very likely option of "The game devs and their mods don't give a hoot about those threads"?

Remember, game devs are allowed to run their hubs as they like. They don't *have* to remove such stuff if they don't want.

Im not up to date on this. I was under the impression that dev controlled moderation was reduced to issues with leading to sitewide bans based on arbitrary subforum moderation.

I googled it and it seems this is not the case tho which is not good to hear as it basically allows developers to "deal" with criticism in a way certain groups "deal" with criticism.

But i always assumed that steam moderators would still moderate subsections of the forum directly as long as sufficient reports were made (which would likely be the case for lgbt+ inclusion threads on space marine 2 subforum - they got really out of hand - i think some of them got several hundred jesters).

Is that not the case either? Are subforums entirely up to developer moderation? Link to official source would be much appreciated.

[eram]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Why are you excluding the very likely option of "The game devs and their mods don't give a hoot about those threads"?

Remember, game devs are allowed to run their hubs as they like. They don't *have* to remove such stuff if they don't want.

Im not up to date on this. I was under the impression that dev controlled moderation was reduced to issues with leading to sitewide bans based on arbitrary subforum moderation.

I googled it and it seems this is not the case tho which is not good to hear as it basically allows developers to "deal" with criticism in a way certain groups "deal" with criticism.

But i always assumed that steam moderators would still moderate subsections of the forum directly as long as sufficient reports were made (which would likely be the case for lgbt+ inclusion threads on space marine 2 subforum - they got really out of hand - i think some of them got several hundred jesters).

Is that not the case either? Are subforums entirely up to developer moderation? Link to official source would be much appreciated.

each induvial game hub can decide if they want valve moderation or not. if they pick no then the valve mods almost always stay away.
source: you are not a dev
https://partner.steamgames.com/

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

I googled it and it seems this is not the case tho which is not good to hear as it basically allows developers to "deal" with criticism in a way certain groups "deal" with criticism.

Yet outside of two hubs, everyone that complains of being "silenced for criticism" has a post history of blatantly creating arguments & trolling entire sections to the point they're usually banned from multiple game hubs, which takes some real effort to achieve. Quite often those are the "I did nothing wrong" types despite how obvious to the contrary it is.

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

But i always assumed that steam moderators would still moderate subsections of the forum directly as long as sufficient reports were made (which would likely be the case for lgbt+ inclusion threads on space marine 2 subforum - they got really out of hand - i think some of them got several hundred jesters).

Devs can opt-out of steam moderation as long as they have their own moderation.
Award farming threads in recently released games is nothing new, but if clearly done for so or to make arguments can result in action.

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Is that not the case either? Are subforums entirely up to developer moderation? Link to official source would be much appreciated.

If they want to opt-out of Steam Moderation, Yes.
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/marketing/community_moderation
"If you do not wish to have Valve moderating your Steam Discussions, you can opt-out via your your app settings in Steamworks"

This also means if one gets booted from a hub Devs/Dev-appointed mods are in charge of, the issue is unlikely the Dev/dev-mods especially if one gets booted from multiple hubs. Even being removed from multiple hubs by steam moderation means the issue is the individual and not others.

[CHAO$$$]

I see if the devs can just entirely opt out of steam moderation that explains a lot.

I guess then theres no point in even having the pretense of a "ban reason"

or any expectation to have a conversation with individuals who arent mostly corporate paid chatters for that matter.