Should i be very concern on what is this new "Steam Subscriber Agreement"

[HoloLiveSonic™]

got the email about the new agreement term, read some of and saw "if you don't agree with the term, your account will be deleted" which made my heart drop for a moment

i only read on some wut the comments saying but i only get the gist of it, is this like very bad for most steam users

edit: okay it didnt say something like deleted account after reading it the second time, need some sleep

[Who]

People have different opinion on it but dont think for a second that a big company is gonna do the rules in a way to benefit the consumer instead of them.

[peppermint hollows]

They're not deleting accounts.

The TL;DR is they're changing how they handle settling legal disputes between customers and themselves. There is no longer forced arbitration. Unless you plan on ever suing Valve or think there's ever going to be a point where you would want to take legal action against them you probably don't need to think about it.

Either way the new policy/agreement will go into effect after November 1st whether or not you agreed to it. After that point, if you continue using Steam's services it's implicit that you agree to the updated policy. That's why account deletion is mentioned - if you don't want to agree to the new terms, the only way to "disagree" is to either stop using your account or delete it.

[HoloLiveSonic™]

peppermint hollows a écrit :

They're not deleting accounts.

The TL;DR is they're changing how they handle settling legal disputes between customers and themselves. There is no longer forced arbitration. Unless you plan on ever suing Valve or think there's ever going to be a point where you would want to take legal action against them you probably don't need to think about it.

Either way the new policy/agreement will go into effect after November 1st whether or not you agreed to it. After that point, if you continue using Steam's services it's implicit that you agree to the updated policy. That's why account deletion is mentioned - if you don't want to agree to the new terms, the only way to "disagree" is to either stop using your account or delete it.

ok thats a relief but considering that this is still something to do with the steam accounts like taking away games, is it not?

[peppermint hollows]

HoloLiveSonic™ a écrit :

peppermint hollows a écrit :

They're not deleting accounts.

The TL;DR is they're changing how they handle settling legal disputes between customers and themselves. There is no longer forced arbitration. Unless you plan on ever suing Valve or think there's ever going to be a point where you would want to take legal action against them you probably don't need to think about it.

Either way the new policy/agreement will go into effect after November 1st whether or not you agreed to it. After that point, if you continue using Steam's services it's implicit that you agree to the updated policy. That's why account deletion is mentioned - if you don't want to agree to the new terms, the only way to "disagree" is to either stop using your account or delete it.

ok thats a relief but considering that this is still something to do with the steam accounts like taking away games, is it not?

No. Your games are not being taken away either. Again, Valve is changing how they handle legal disputes in the event customers try to sue them. And again, nothing is happening to your account, because in reality you don't have a choice because the policy will be in effect no matter what after November 1.

I'm surprised that many people don't realise this is standard corporate practice. Having an account means you are saying you agree to the terms. If you don't agree to them your only choice is to stop using your account or delete it.

[Chika Ogiue]

HoloLiveSonic™ a écrit :

this is still something to do with the steam accounts like taking away games, is it not?

Unless you were planning on taking legal action against Valve in the near future, nothing has changed for you.

[Pierce Dalton]

HoloLiveSonic™ a écrit :

got the email about the new agreement term, read some of and saw "if you don't agree with the term, your account will be deleted" which made my heart drop for a moment

Really? Honestly, that sounds more like a scam than anything

[The Grand Mugwump]

Steam will not delete your account. They only say that you can choose to nullify the subscription agreement by deleting your own account.

As for the changes, they will have no impact on the vast majority of us. Valve demonstrated earlier this year that at least one law firm was deliberately using a tactic called "arbitration overload," where they submit tens of thousands of individual demands for arbitration at once. It's basically like a DDOS attack except it's in legalese and if the target company doesn't respond to them quickly enough, then they can be sued for that too.

[MUCHA GRACIAS]

I got that right now nothing to woory abou???

[o.W.n MARVEL ZOMBIES THE CONQUER]

So let's suppose if I understood correctly about this

it's that let's say that I would have accepted as agreed this new terms waiting first around November 1st as accepted automatically if I still use steam but if on the other hand I don't accept or I disagree on this new terms the only thing is only I delete my own account

just like a bit the same as Microsoft when if you accept or not the new terms

because I have to be sure that it was exactly what I think or was it a bit different?

[rawWwRrr]

o.W.n MARVEL ZOMBIES THE CONQUER a écrit :

So let's suppose if I understood correctly about this

it's that let's say that I would have accepted as agreed this new terms waiting first around November 1st as accepted automatically if I still use steam but if on the other hand I don't accept or I disagree on this new terms the only thing is only I delete my own account

just like a bit the same as Microsoft when if you accept or not the new terms

because I have to be sure that it was exactly what I think or was it a bit different?

Your continued use of Steam assumes that you agree to the SSA. This has been in effect since you originally created your account. It's not a unique change with the new terms. Your only choice if you disagree with the terms, now or in the future, would require you to discontinue using the service and request an account deletion. Unless you do that, the assumption remains that you agree with them.

[o.W.n MARVEL ZOMBIES THE CONQUER]

rawWwRrr a écrit :

o.W.n MARVEL ZOMBIES THE CONQUER a écrit :

So let's suppose if I understood correctly about this

it's that let's say that I would have accepted as agreed this new terms waiting first around November 1st as accepted automatically if I still use steam but if on the other hand I don't accept or I disagree on this new terms the only thing is only I delete my own account

just like a bit the same as Microsoft when if you accept or not the new terms

because I have to be sure that it was exactly what I think or was it a bit different?

Your continued use of Steam assumes that you agree to the SSA. This has been in effect since you originally created your account. It's not a unique change with the new terms. Your only choice if you disagree with the terms, now or in the future, would require you to discontinue using the service and request an account deletion. Unless you do that, the assumption remains that you agree with them.

I see, because it's hard to say that there are so many people who had released a kind of rumor that people received a kind of message that looks like this https://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/steam-subscriber-agreement-update.jpg

but what I find weird is that I didn't receive this kind of message like the others since I have used steam for 15 years because I created my two accounts in 2009 when I had the game team fortress 2

[Amaterasu]

Yes, you should be extremely concerned that a lot of people are going to misinterpret what things mean and post meaningless ragebait articles on the steam forums and clickbait articles elsewhere.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

I don't know if you should be concerned but I am. I see the timing of this update suspicious. Ownership of the games we bought has been a larger topic of discussion lately. I see this as Valve asserting where they stand. It's a reminder of how they see their customers and a doubling down on the "You own nothing and we can take it from you at any time" mentality.

As people have been pointing out this attitude toward customers is nothing new but the increased ability to act on the more threatening aspects of that is a change from years ago.

[Fizzban]

You could search for it, but you need a hand..ok. Here is one of many articles

https://www.eurogamer.net/steam-updates-subscriber-agreements-to-remove-arbitration-clause

[Chika Ogiue]

rawWwRrr a écrit :

Your only choice if you disagree with the terms, now or in the future, would require you to discontinue using the service and request an account deletion.

If you don't agree, all you have to do is stop logging into Steam. There's no legal requirement to delete your account. In fact, there may come a time when the agreement changes again to something you DO agree with, at which point, you log back into Steam and in doing so accept the new agreement.