What the hell, Steam?

[craig234]

So, Steam has the right any time it wants, to modify the customers' rights, the legal agreements we signed up for, and if we don't agree to the changes we lose all access to our purchases?

[Brian9824]

Początkowo opublikowane przez jiggy:

I have 8000 games over the years this make me sick to my stomach as a game collector i have about 2000 cd games with keys and now i don't own anything there is a lot of vested money here and dlcs

You own exactly what you owned before, the only difference is that you have more rights now.

Początkowo opublikowane przez jiggy:

I don't care about refund I don't want to sue anyone I just want to make sure my games are safe not like The crew that was taken away by shady company ubisoft

Except nothing has changed with ownership, the only difference is now you have more options for legal recourse if you have an issue. Nothing has changed in the last 21 years of steam operating that has any impact on your game ownership.

Literally the change with the california thing is just a cosmetic change to wording.

Początkowo opublikowane przez jiggy:

Do you think this act will put digital stores out of business

ROFLMAO, no it will not, it literally just says they have to add text that provides slightly more info to the checkout screen.

[Ben Lubar]

You own a license. It's exactly the same as it has worked for decades. If you bought a VHS of Star Wars, you would own the physical media it was stored on (which in the case of Steam games would be the storage in your computer), but you don't own the content, you just have permission to use it in some situations. Just like you can't take that VHS of Star Wars you bought and show it in a movie theater.

[Start_Running]

Początkowo opublikowane przez jiggy:

I have 8000 games over the years this make me sick to my stomach as a game collector i have about 2000 cd games with keys and now i don't own anything there is a lot of vested money here and dlcs

It's not like you didn't have to agree to those terms EVERY SINGLE TIME you purchased or activated a Key.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Iggy Wolf:

It seems like a lot of people are getting the impression that this change means their games are at risk of being deleted or removed.

I think it's more that they just realized that not agreeing to the SSA basically results in the cancellation of their account and everything attatched to it.


WHich was something in the SSA from Day 1 so.. it's more that they finallly got around to reading or understanding something.

[Iggy Wolf]

Początkowo opublikowane przez jiggy:

I don't care about refund I don't want to sue anyone I just want to make sure my games are safe not like The crew that was taken away by shady company ubisoft

The Crew I believe required servers just to run. Guess Ubisoft was too cheap or lazy to bother, so they removed the game completely so that people wouldn't pester them about a non-working game. Most single player games are rarely removed. They CAN be however when it's a licensing issue, or at least have the offending content that isn't licensed anymore be removed.

But that's only because the licenses in those games had a time limit rather than being indefinite. The Crew also does use licensed cars, so perhaps in addition to servers,, Ubisoft didn't want to keep paying for licenses to the cars, and since cars make up the bulk of the game, they can't sell it in any capacity, nor allow current copies to maintain/keep the cars. Forza and NFS don't have that issue because most of their games aren't based on active servers.

[Brian9824]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Iggy Wolf:

Początkowo opublikowane przez jiggy:

I don't care about refund I don't want to sue anyone I just want to make sure my games are safe not like The crew that was taken away by shady company ubisoft

The Crew I believe required servers just to run. Guess Ubisoft was too cheap or lazy to bother, so they removed the game completely so that people wouldn't pester them about a non-working game. Most single player games are rarely removed. They CAN be however when it's a licensing issue, or at least have the offending content that isn't licensed anymore be removed.

But that's only because the licenses in those games had a time limit rather than being indefinite. The Crew also does use licensed cars, so perhaps in addition to servers,, Ubisoft didn't want to keep paying for licenses to the cars, and since cars make up the bulk of the game, they can't sell it in any capacity, nor allow current copies to maintain/keep the cars. Forza and NFS don't have that issue because most of their games aren't based on active servers.

AFAIK it was removed from THEIR launcher, on Steam it was not removed, launching it just does nothing as there is no server to connect to.

[Ben Lubar]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Iggy Wolf:

Początkowo opublikowane przez jiggy:

I don't care about refund I don't want to sue anyone I just want to make sure my games are safe not like The crew that was taken away by shady company ubisoft

The Crew I believe required servers just to run. Guess Ubisoft was too cheap or lazy to bother, so they removed the game completely so that people wouldn't pester them about a non-working game. Most single player games are rarely removed. They CAN be however when it's a licensing issue, or at least have the offending content that isn't licensed anymore be removed.

But that's only because the licenses in those games had a time limit rather than being indefinite. The Crew also does use licensed cars, so perhaps in addition to servers,, Ubisoft didn't want to keep paying for licenses to the cars, and since cars make up the bulk of the game, they can't sell it in any capacity, nor allow current copies to maintain/keep the cars. Forza and NFS don't have that issue because most of their games aren't based on active servers.

This is basically it, yeah. Ubisoft looked at the number of people still playing the first game in The Crew series, looked at how much it would cost to renew the licenses to depict the cars and keep the servers running, and decided it wasn't worth it.

[jiggy]

Ok thanks for information

[Iggy Wolf]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ben Lubar:

This is basically it, yeah. Ubisoft looked at the number of people still playing the first game in The Crew series, looked at how much it would cost to renew the licenses to depict the cars and keep the servers running, and decided it wasn't worth it.

Which is why I'll always be against any games that require an active server just to play them. I'm aware that's probably most multiplayer games, but that's why even fans of those games emphasize "offline modes" and bots.

Because if the servers go down, your game becomes a glorified paperweight. And yeah, when licensing is included in that, especially for 90% of the games content, then it becomes a TIMED purchase, until the license expires, that unless they renew it, the content will be removed in an update. Or in this case, an entire game. Even single player games aren't safe, as whenever songs get removed because the license expired.

[Start_Running]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Iggy Wolf:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ben Lubar:

This is basically it, yeah. Ubisoft looked at the number of people still playing the first game in The Crew series, looked at how much it would cost to renew the licenses to depict the cars and keep the servers running, and decided it wasn't worth it.

Which is why I'll always be against any games that require an active server just to play them. I'm aware that's probably most multiplayer games, but that's why even fans of those games emphasize "offline modes" and bots.

Ditto here but hey. That's where urchase choice comes in.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Iggy Wolf:

Because if the servers go down, your game becomes a glorified paperweight.

It's gonna be a fun day when blizzard shuts down the WoW servers.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Iggy Wolf:

And yeah, when licensing is included in that, especially for 90% of the games content, then it becomes a TIMED purchase, until the license expires, that unless they renew it, the content will be removed in an update. Or in this case, an entire game. Even single player games aren't safe, as whenever songs get removed because the license expired.

Yup...but them licensed cars are what people like so wehave a problem created by the gamers themselves.

[davidb11]

WoW won't be shut down before we colonize Mars and I can go explore Jupiter without issue. LOL.

Literally a hundred years from now, WoW will still be going strong.

[craig234]

Początkowo opublikowane przez jiggy:

I have 8000 games over the years this make me sick to my stomach as a game collector i have about 2000 cd games with keys and now i don't own anything there is a lot of vested money here and dlcs

I thought I had a lot.

[craig234]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ben Lubar:

because if you haven't, literally nothing about Steam has changed for you.

We're finding they can force any TOS changes they want apparently with unknown limits.

[craig234]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Start_Running:

It's not like you didn't have to agree to those terms

Those terms, not any changed terms they decide to force later.

[craig234]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Anoi Hidalgo:

You are correct companies can write whatever theyvwant in a TOS, doesnt mean all of it is necessarily enforceable or legally binding

But it's not what's in the TOS you can agree to or not buy, it's what they can force changes the terms to after you buy.

[davidb11]

Pretty much no one can actually complain about a TOS being changed years after the fact because that is legally allowed, and no one can claim the current changes to the Steam TOS are bad.

Getting rid of Arbitration means you no longer have to fly all the way over to Seattle to settle any lawsuit.