What the hell, Steam?

[craig234]

So, Steam has the right any time it wants, to modify the customers' rights, the legal agreements we signed up for, and if we don't agree to the changes we lose all access to our purchases?

[RAC3R]

I was slapped with this while in the middle of changing games in VR with no way to pass this for later after I read more into it.

[pckirk]

what purchases? the licence you buy to play a game?

[craig234]

Originally posted by pckirk:

what purchases? the licence you buy to play a game?

Yes.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Originally posted by craig234:

So, Steam has the right any time it wants, to modify the customers' rights, the legal agreements we signed up for, and if we don't agree to the changes we lose all access to our purchases?

Yup, thats quite literally how the law has been made to work. Isn't limited to Valve either. Literally every service has those powers

[RAC3R]

The "Steam Subscriber Agreement"

[GuyFawx]

Are you talking about the yellow account alert that we just got on steam? I havent read it but i wont agree to it until i understand it more

[RAC3R]

From the look of things you have to goto court to settle future disputes

[TV late at Nite]

Not how the good guys behave.

[RAC3R]

This looks to be only between us and Valve.

[Snapjak]

This is in regard to the recently (today) updated SSA notice.

If you check your email you'll see exactly what they're updating. Hint: it's not much and most would say it's probably better for the consumer. Any legal disagreement has no forced arbitration has to go through courts. Also something about class action wavers and cost shifting which I don't know if it's good or bad.

[Stiletto]

Originally posted by GuyFawx:

Are you talking about the yellow account alert that we just got on steam? I havent read it but i wont agree to it until i understand it more

You should know that it basically tells you that if you don't agree, you can uninstall Steam and delete your account and get ♥♥♥♥♥♥, and after November 1st they will interpret any use of your account as agreeing to it.

And don't bother asserting any kind of consumer rights. You will be descended upon if you do.

[RAC3R]

Hmmm in summery if there is a dispute between us and Valve that can't be solved by using support then going to court is the way to solve it. That should be such a small percent of that happening to any of us.

[Skulls]

Surprisingly enough it says that you agree that disputes be handled in court rather than the usual give up all your rights and go to arbitration that most companies use these days. I'm not a lawyer so maybe this is still bad but it's the opposite of what usually happens.

[GuyFawx]

Originally posted by Stiletto:

Originally posted by GuyFawx:

Are you talking about the yellow account alert that we just got on steam? I havent read it but i wont agree to it until i understand it more

You should know that it basically tells you that if you don't agree, you can uninstall Steam and delete your account and get ♥♥♥♥♥♥, and after November 1st they will interpret any use of your account as agreeing to it.

And don't bother asserting any kind of consumer rights. You will be descended upon if you do.

So they are basically limiting our legal recourse for any wrong doing going forward

[Sifer2]

Originally posted by Skulls:

Surprisingly enough it says that you agree that disputes be handled in court rather than the usual give up all your rights and go to arbitration that most companies use these days. I'm not a lawyer so maybe this is still bad but it's the opposite of what usually happens.

But on the other hand isn't it also more expensive to take it to court? I just don't see Valve making the change unless there was something in it for them. Maybe they were being cheaply sued in Arbitration or something over an over, and got tired of it?