With Telegram being outed as having foreign influences and chat in its forums....

[wbino]

does Steam monitor languages for criminal acts or coded messages?
Or have the ability to do so?

[The nubinator]

Telegram never was outed for anything. It was an encrypted, relatively free tool of communication. What you did with it was your business. The west is become autocratic as the east already is and thus seeks to control discourse. On Telegram both Russia and Ukraine could spew their propaganda to their hearts desire.

[Boblin the Goblin]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Komarimaru:

I'm curious if they meant to post different links? Since their uh, evidence, pretty much just coincides with what I just said.

They rely on reports and get help from the companies as needed.

That makes you, me,Brian, Scientist, and mld all people who have explained what that report means.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

This topic confuses me. I thought Telegram were the Morse Code communications before the telephone was invented.

https://www.voanews.com/a/what-is-telegram-why-was-its-ceo-arrested-in-paris-/7757966.html

What is Telegram?

Telegram is an app that allows for one-on-one conversations, group chats and large “channels” that let people broadcast messages to subscribers.

So posts / messages weren't publicly visible to begin with. Why would foreign governments want to censor them?

Durov said government authorities demanded that the VKontakte take down the online communities of Russian opposition activists. It later asked the platform to hand over the personal data of users who took part in the 2013 uprising in Ukraine, which eventually ousted a pro-Kremlin president.

But Durov sold his stake in VKontakte after pressure from Russian authorities in 2014. He also left the country. Today, Telegram is based in Dubai.

It sounds like Telegram is free of foreign influences and that's the reason its being targeted. In order for foreign governments to exert their influence over it.

[Start_Running]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย The nubinator:

Telegram never was outed for anything. It was an encrypted, relatively free tool of communication. What you did with it was your business. The west is become autocratic as the east already is and thus seeks to control discourse. On Telegram both Russia and Ukraine could spew their propaganda to their hearts desire.

Every government will leave you to your business ..until your business starts breaking laws or threatening national security.

The social contract is a two-way street.

And nothing is ever truly encryopted. The owners of telegram can decrypt anything that goes through them.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Start_Running:

Every government will leave you to your business ..until your business starts breaking laws or threatening national security.

Is that the issue? It sounds like this is more about a government official and their political opponent that about criminal activity.

[Start_Running]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SKARDAVNELNATE:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Start_Running:

Every government will leave you to your business ..until your business starts breaking laws or threatening national security.

Is that the issue? It sounds like this is more about a government official and their political opponent that about criminal activity.

What ever it was, it was apparently enough.

[Brian9824]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย davidb11:

Could we not devolve into conspiracy theories?
There's like nothing on Steam chat that can be kept beyond like 3 weeks, and even if it did, it wouldn't be useful for anyone.

Nor would it be easy to access.
The FBI would literally give up trying to find it.

Well it's certainly not a conspiracy theory, the FBI, DHS and other agencies have put out a memo (for open use), more appropriately their watchdog group at the GAO, in the fact they're working in concert with these gaming sites, or in the least, need too. That is a fact.

And so, i would say, unless we're to believe Steam is only acting from a reactive standpoint (reports), others may not be. They can be here, amongst us right now.

Bottom line being, i certainly would not try what the OP is claiming others may or will do.

One of these days you should really read the memo, it states the opposite of what you say. It states that the FBI and other groups should be giving steam more info, not that steam should be giving them info.

[Brian9824]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Boblin the Goblin:

That is also false.

Well provide the document that is readily available, and show us where it's false.
.

Here you go - https://www.gao.gov/assets/D24106262.pdf

FBI and DHS Need Strategies and Goals for Sharing Threat Information with Social Media and Gaming Companies

Nothing about the companies sharing info with the FBI or DHS, it was all about the FBI and DHS not sharing data with social media and gaming companies and steam was never named. Other companies like Facebook and Twitter were named, but not steam

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Homeland Security
(DHS) have mechanisms to share and receive domestic violent extremism threatrelated information with social media and gaming companies. However, neither
agency has developed a strategy that articulates how it identifies and selects
companies to engage with or the goals and desired outcomes of those
engagements. Without a strategy or goals, the agencies may not be fully aware
of how effective their communications are with companies, or how effectively
their information-sharing mechanisms serve the agencies’ overall missions.

I mean it's really common sense, the GAO does not issue rulings or advice to businesses. That's why it's called the GOVERNMENTAL accountability office. They critique government agencies, not private companies

[xBCxRangers]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brian9824:

"I mean it's really common sense, the GAO does not issue rulings or advice to businesses. That's why it's called the GOVERNMENTAL accounting office. They critique government agencies, not private companies [/quote]"

The GAO is the Government ACCOUNTABILITY Office sir, the government watchdog group for these agencies, and Government as a whole.

Not the Governmental Accounting Office lol.

Not to mention, you misread and misinterpreted the memo.

But if you don't even know who the GAO is, there is no sense going thru those mistakes. Lesson? Stay in your lane, and help us troubleshoot our games.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Komarimaru:

I'm curious if they meant to post different links? Since their uh, evidence, pretty much just coincides with what I just said.

They rely on reports and get help from the companies as needed.

You mentioned the NYPD. This report, if you read it, is about the FBI and DHS, two totally different agencies, they being federal, and the the former in regards to a city.

Case and point? If i'm Mr Newell and sees these matters happening, in the US, not to mention the UK, where people are actually going to jail for what they write, he's going to have to take a look at his current moderation practices, and see if change needs to happen.

And my feeling is, given he is not a stupid man, has already made those changes.

We need to be careful what we write, in how it may interpreted, and just use common sense, that in this day and age, moderation will be more proactive, than reactive, as well as agencies within our government.

[Brian9824]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

The GAO is the Government ACCOUNTABILTY Office sir, the government watchdog group for these agencies, and Government as a whole.

Not the Governmental Accounting Office lol.

Typed it on phone, so can blame auto correct but same difference. They hold the government agencies accountable as I posted, they do not suggest policy for businesses.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

Not to mention, you misread and misinterpreted the memo.

Feel free to show where I misinterpreted the memo, you cannot so I know you wont.

I quoted the memo exactly, again since you removed it since it looks bad for you

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GAO Memo:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Homeland Security
(DHS) have mechanisms to share and receive domestic violent extremism threatrelated information with social media and gaming companies. However, neither
agency has developed a strategy that articulates how it identifies and selects
companies to engage with or the goals and desired outcomes of those
engagements. Without a strategy or goals, the agencies may not be fully aware
of how effective their communications are with companies, or how effectively
their information-sharing mechanisms serve the agencies’ overall missions.

Very clearly states that their recomendation is for the FBI and DHS to be more active and have more of a plan to share data with other sites. It does not hold any privately owned businesses accountable, nor does it ever mention Steam even though it does name numerous other companies.

Those are FACTS, that you keep failing to be able to provide anything to counter

[xBCxRangers]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brian9824:

snip

Sir, you don't even know who this office is, yet you're going on a matter for which you're interpreting it based on the wrong premise.

Please correct your post, in who the GAO even is, and stop spreading misinformation. I'm moving on, but fel that needed to be corrected. "Government Accounting Office" LOL.

[Brian9824]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brian9824:

snip

Sir, you don't even know who this office is, yet you're going on a matter for which you're interpreting it based on the wrong premise.

Please correct your post, in who the GAO even is, and stop spreading misinformation. I'm moving on, but fel that needed to be corrected. "Government Accounting Office" LOL.

Guess you failed to read again, but I corrected the post already before you posted this. Again, thank you though for confirming you cannot refute what I said and are trying to deflect by obsessing over a typo. I'll post it again for you since you are unable to refute it.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GAO Memo:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Homeland Security
(DHS) have mechanisms to share and receive domestic violent extremism threatrelated information with social media and gaming companies. However, neither
agency has developed a strategy that articulates how it identifies and selects
companies to engage with or the goals and desired outcomes of those
engagements. Without a strategy or goals, the agencies may not be fully aware
of how effective their communications are with companies, or how effectively
their information-sharing mechanisms serve the agencies’ overall missions.

Very clearly states that their recomendation is for the FBI and DHS to be more active and have more of a plan to share data with other sites. It does not hold any privately owned businesses accountable, nor does it ever mention Steam even though it does name numerous other companies.

Those are FACTS, that you keep failing to be able to provide anything to counter

[Crazy Tiger]

I see it didn't take long for the conspiracies to enter the thread. Post 2 by the expected person. I wonder if they're first to reply on the next conspiracie thread.

[xBCxRangers]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Brian9824:

snip

Sir, i'm sorry but i have other matters. You need to learn governnment, how they function and who they are, as the other poster needs to know the difference of a local law enforcement agency, and that of federal agencies.

And i don't have the time to educate folks. This is a gaming forum.

The subject brought up about another matter by the OP, and the response is that our government in the process of becoming more proactive on acting on these issues, they feel, dangerous to our societies.

And 'tools' they may already have, but needing more, and in that, working in concert with those gaming companies to formulate those tools.

We do not know, what those "tools" are.

'The FBI and DHS have some tools for sharing information WITH and receiving information FROM social media and gaming companies on threats related to domestic terrorism. But neither agency has developed strategies and goals related to such information-sharing efforts."

What that means, are the government are sharing information with the companies, and companies sharing information, WITH the government.

Have a pleasant day.

[Brian9824]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย xBCxRangers:

snip

Again you cut out the quote and edited it to remove the parts that you don't like. Let me fix that for you AGAIN

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GAO Memo:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Homeland Security
(DHS) have mechanisms to share and receive domestic violent extremism threatrelated information with social media and gaming companies. However, neither
agency has developed a strategy that articulates how it identifies and selects
companies to engage with or the goals and desired outcomes of those
engagements. Without a strategy or goals, the agencies may not be fully aware
of how effective their communications are with companies, or how effectively
their information-sharing mechanisms serve the agencies’ overall missions.

As anyone who reads it would see it clearly says the GAO is recommending actions that the FBI and DHS take, not anything that Steam would have to do. Of course if you knew what the GAO did that would be obvious as they only recommend actions for the Government not private businesses.

Hopefully the FBI and DHS improve their strategies, but that has nothing to do with Steam and is 100% up to the FBI and DHS.