Do you own a game you buy on steam?

[Euther Pendragon]

Saw an article that said we do not own the games we buy on Steam... that true?

[Knee]

SKARDAVNELNATE lähetti viestin:

Knee lähetti viestin:

I NEED this quote in a picture frame

Unfortunately in this case what Heraclius Caesar was talking about people being permitted to do was entirely different from what anyone else was talking about being able to do. It seems Heraclius Caesar and Crazy Tiger failed to understand that part of it.

No, I think their understanding of the situation is correct.

[()_T_N_T_)----*]

The second someone makes a platform similar to steam, except the caveat is that not only can you digitally download/own them.

But if you're willing to pay like a $5 physical media fee, they'll send you a CD or some form of physical media you own instead of this nonsense mentality of you'll own nothing and be happy because you rent everything.

Guaranteed, the moment that happens steam goes the way MySpace did..

[Chika Ogiue]

()_T_N_T_)----* lähetti viestin:

Guaranteed, the moment that happens steam goes the way MySpace did..

Even if a platform did appear that allowed you to optional get a copy on physical media, you still would only be buying a license to play that game. So any such platform attempting to win over publishers would also require you prove ownership of any physically delivered copy via a CD key or similar. Meaning, you wouldn't even be able to sell it on to anyone else.

So no, in the event of such a store, Steam or any other platform won't magically disappear.

[Komarimaru]

It should be noted, that Steam couldn't even offer such a thing as sending you a Physical Disc. They do not own the games to do such distribution, would be up to the Publishers/Developers.

And, I'm willing to wager would be like every other physical disc. Enter a key on the store, Steam, Epic, EA Play etc.

[Ben Lubar]

If I go to Blockbuster and rent The Empire Strikes Back on VHS, does that mean George Lucas no longer owns Star Wars, or is it some kind of joint ownership scheme where he has to call me on the phone if he wants to make any changes to it?

Or does holding the VHS for a movie in my hands not confer ownership of the movie itself to me?

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

Knee lähetti viestin:

No, I think their understanding of the situation is correct.

Oh, no. We've got another one. Ownership and distribution rights are different things.

Ben Lubar lähetti viestin:

If I go to Blockbuster and rent The Empire Strikes Back on VHS, does that mean George Lucas no longer owns Star Wars, or is it some kind of joint ownership scheme where he has to call me on the phone if he wants to make any changes to it?

You specified that you're renting it so the answer is no for that reason alone.
Otherwise you own that VHS copy of the movie.
Seriously... Why do people keep conflating owning a copy of media with owning the franchise or getting distribution rights?

[Start_Running]

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

It should be noted, that Steam couldn't even offer such a thing as sending you a Physical Disc. They do not own the games to do such distribution, would be up to the Publishers/Developers.

And, I'm willing to wager would be like every other physical disc. Enter a key on the store, Steam, Epic, EA Play etc.

It's much cheaper really.

Chika Ogiue lähetti viestin:

()_T_N_T_)----* lähetti viestin:

Guaranteed, the moment that happens steam goes the way MySpace did..

Even if a platform did appear that allowed you to optional get a copy on physical media, you still would only be buying a license to play that game. So any such platform attempting to win over publishers would also require you prove ownership of any physically delivered copy via a CD key or similar. Meaning, you wouldn't even be able to sell it on to anyone else.

So no, in the event of such a store, Steam or any other platform won't magically disappear.

I mean some pub/devs do offer special limited edition physical editions. Like I remember Mighty No.9 did that but uin the end you were still just getting a license.

[Chika Ogiue]

SKARDAVNELNATE lähetti viestin:

Knee lähetti viestin:

No, I think their understanding of the situation is correct.

Oh, no. We've got another one. Ownership and distribution rights are different things.

And you clearly understand neither concept.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Doctor ♥♥♥♥ Respect lähetti viestin:

Heraclius Caesar lähetti viestin:

? It's still a limited use license there too.

No matter what store, digital or brick & mortar, it's going to be a limited use license.

It's always been a limited use license, even back in the day when it was on a cartridge or disc.

if you truly believe that, youre welcome to come and try to take my hard drives away from me.

The way it would work is:
1. They'd send you a legal demand.
2. When you didn't do it, they'd take you to court for breach of contract and get a court order directing you to comply with the contract.
3. When you didn't follow that, the judge would find you in contempt.
4. Cops trash your house while arresting you for contempt.
5. You agree to delete it.

Contracts don't just work on the honour system.

[Ben Lubar]

SKARDAVNELNATE lähetti viestin:

Knee lähetti viestin:

No, I think their understanding of the situation is correct.

Oh, no. We've got another one. Ownership and distribution rights are different things.

Ben Lubar lähetti viestin:

If I go to Blockbuster and rent The Empire Strikes Back on VHS, does that mean George Lucas no longer owns Star Wars, or is it some kind of joint ownership scheme where he has to call me on the phone if he wants to make any changes to it?

You specified that you're renting it so the answer is no for that reason alone.
Otherwise you own that VHS copy of the movie.
Seriously... Why do people keep conflating owning a copy of media with owning the franchise or getting distribution rights?

Owning a copy of a piece of media and having a license to play a piece of media are literally the same thing. If you don't consider having a license to play a game to be ownership, then you must be talking about owning the game rather than owning a copy.

[walcrebas]

ill i will do now is play what i got no more buying game here till they change it or close. now ill be looking for other platforms where you keep the games like GOG and restart my library

[()_T_N_T_)----*]

This whole mentality of intellectual property is bizarre as far as total dominance over an invididuals rights just because you didn't come up with the concept yourself.

Could you imagine if the creator of chess went to every house and told fhem just because you own a physical board game of chess doesn't mean you own it, you're just renting it from me and if I pull the license off chess you can't make another one even if you wanted to.

That's how all of you sound right now defending big developer corporations that are putting their boot on your neck.


Maybe when you can no longer buy cars and you only rent them and have to pay them per mile you'll wake up, or you'll just keep excusing this behavior and gladly shill for such horrendous business practices.

Either way.. because of such bad sense of decency with business practices this hobby of video games has been dying for me for the last few years.

I've been investing in things instead that someone has to come physically steal back if they don't want me doing it. In which case I don't have to argue on the internet to hopefully fight for the right to what I purchased. I just let my do the talking.

[Chika Ogiue]

()_T_N_T_)----* lähetti viestin:

This whole mentality of intellectual property is bizarre as far as total dominance over an invididuals rights just because you didn't come up with the concept yourself.

Creators are individuals, too. And they have a right own their creations. Thankfully, that's what intellectual property is for.

[()_T_N_T_)----*]

Chika Ogiue lähetti viestin:

()_T_N_T_)----* lähetti viestin:

This whole mentality of intellectual property is bizarre as far as total dominance over an invididuals rights just because you didn't come up with the concept yourself.

Creators are individuals, too. And they have a right own their creations. Thankfully, that's what intellectual property is for.

I understand this... however like all things there is a natural common sense limit that is a basic consensual agreement.

Like for example.. the maker of your toilet. How long before you have to start sending a check to the person who made your toilet because your license ran out for the right to use it, and he wants more because he has his rights and although you bought the toilet you're just using his creation that he made through intellectual property?

This is that slippery slope mentality at work.

Did he/she make the toilet? Yes, they designed and patented it. That prevents you from creating another one and selling it as competition.

However, you buy a individual toilet. Or a picture of one lets say. That individual toilet is yours, and the picture is yours. There is no more control of that toilet you purchased regardless of it being their idea.

This is a common sense approach. And a lot of people understood this in the old days with physical media too. You bought a CD of songs as a DJ and you made a wedding venue to play at as a DJ, you don't have to purchase the rights to play that music at a wedding venue. You already purchased your copy of that song. So they can't come in and take a percentage of what you do with your copy, because that copy is yours.

You just can't reproduce that copy and sell the music as if you created it. Because that was infringing on the IP. But what you did with it anything short of trying to create more using it as if it was your own as competition is fair game.

Burn it? Blast it on criticism? Use it as target practice at a gun range? Give it away to someone else as a gift? Turn around and sell the disc you bought at a discount cause it's old and you don't want it anymore?

All fair game..

And consumer protection laws exist for a reason. Because if they didn't we'd all be broke and enslaved to every Tom, ♥♥♥♥ and Jane that came along with their idea we all use.

Cars, Homes, Fishing Poles, Game Controllers, Consoles, etc.

All stuff you can buy, and once you buy it's yours the end. If you want to burn, crash, destroy any of that stuff at any moments notice you can. If you want to keep that stuff going for over 100 years you can! No one can tell you no so long as you're following other laws that don't infringe on others rights.

[xBCxRangers]

()_T_N_T_)----* lähetti viestin:

Chika Ogiue lähetti viestin:

Creators are individuals, too. And they have a right own their creations. Thankfully, that's what intellectual property is for.

I understand this... however like all things there is a natural common sense limit that is a basic consensual agreement.

Like for example.. the maker of your toilet. How long before you have to start sending a check to the person who made your toilet because your license ran out for the right to use it, and he wants more because he has his rights and although you bought the toilet you're just using his creation that he made through intellectual property?

This is that slippery slope mentality at work.

Did he/she make the toilet? Yes, they designed and patented it. That prevents you from creating another one and selling it as competition.

However, you buy a individual toilet. Or a picture of one lets say. That individual toilet is yours, and the picture is yours. There is no more control of that toilet you purchased regardless of it being their idea.

This is a common sense approach. And a lot of people understood this in the old days with physical media too. You bought a CD of songs as a DJ and you made a wedding venue to play at as a DJ, you don't have to purchase the rights to play that music at a wedding venue. You already purchased your copy of that song. So they can't come in and take a percentage of what you do with your copy, because that copy is yours.

You just can't reproduce that copy and sell the music as if you created it. Because that was infringing on the IP. But what you did with it anything short of trying to create more using it as if it was your own as competition is fair game.

Burn it? Blast it on criticism? Use it as target practice at a gun range? Give it away to someone else as a gift? Turn around and sell the disc you bought at a discount cause it's old and you don't want it anymore?

All fair game..

And consumer protection laws exist for a reason. Because if they didn't we'd all be broke and enslaved to every Tom, ♥♥♥♥ and Jane that came along with their idea we all use.

Cars, Homes, Fishing Poles, Game Controllers, Consoles, etc.

All stuff you can buy, and once you buy it's yours the end. If you want to burn, crash, destroy any of that stuff at any moments notice you can. If you want to keep that stuff going for over 100 years you can! No one can tell you no so long as you're following other laws that don't infringe on others rights.

This is what i've been trying to say, a billion times, but seemingly simple common sense, is not understood by some.