Buy on local store games instead of digital through steam.

[E.Z]

I dont like that steam can remove games from my library so I going to buy the games from a real store. In that way I can keep my games from being deleted. I understand steam but I dont like it. I will not buy digital games through steam any more. If any one else dont want the game that you paid to be removed from steam I suggest you buy from a local store and not buy from steam any more.

[jiggy]

license does not change tell me this is true or not true I have bought games in the past that i think they did not have eula's and now thy do on the store page

[Start_Running]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Tito Shivan:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Rainbow Dash:

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One of these days people will learn corporations are NOT friends.

I mean corporations and busioness owners learn that their customers aren't their friends quite quickly.

[mldb88]

Opprinnelig skrevet av jiggy:

license does not change tell me this is true or not true I have bought games in the past that i think they did not have eula's and now thy do

They always had EULAs, just because you refused to read the wordy bit in the manual where it was explained doesn't mean they didn't have EULAs. Hell, even old NES games had EULAs.

[wesnef]

Opprinnelig skrevet av mldb88:

Opprinnelig skrevet av jiggy:

license does not change tell me this is true or not true I have bought games in the past that i think they did not have eula's and now thy do

They always had EULAs, just because you refused to read the wordy bit in the manual where it was explained doesn't mean they didn't have EULAs. Hell, even old NES games had EULAs.

Just went wandering through old manuals, and yeah - there's EULAs in the back of the Diablo 2 & Starcraft manuals, and in the Marathon Infinity (Bungie) one, among others -

"You are being granted a non-exclusive right to use the program within the diskette(s) or CD-Rom under the terms laid out below. . ."

[jiggy]

sorry i ment the store page

[Rainbow Dash]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Start_Running:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Rainbow Dash:

gaming companies fight against freedom and technologies and abuse customers,

Been gaming for almost 40 years and I can't say I've ever felt abused...CLosest thing I felt to that was my time with WoW and it wasn't so much abused as manipulated.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Rainbow Dash:

always pushing for more abuse (dlc/"micro-transactions", lootboxes, drm, online, content removal, ads, bans, FOMO, shutdowns, early accesses, low quality, price hikes).

Yeah and you know what all of those have in common?
You and I as consumers don't have to buy any of that.. So ironically the bbuck stops with the consumer. The only reason any of those trends exist is because.. well customers freely spend money on them

So maybe this is less an evil big corpration thing and more a feedback loop. Customers indicate their willingness to buy something and companies produce more of that something. Was rinse repeat. The cuystomers buying are just like you and me. They make their decisions based on their wants needs, interests and budget. There is fundamentally no wrong decision.

So here's the thing. You buy what you wanna buy. Everyone else buys what they wanna buy and we all be happy.

you nitpick on meaningless words usage (abusing is a correct one, use "manipulating" if you want, it's true too) and reduce things to a simple "both publishers and customers are at fault". you mention wow yourself and being "manipulated" so you likely know of their bait & switch scams, content removals, implicitly mandatory expansions and so much of other bs that would make a long list with them. these companies constantly sell something then make it whatever else once they pocketed the money. and they are the ones creating the offer and trying so hard to advertise themselves, and the ones trying to find loopholes they can exploit in laws to push and benefit from morally wrong practices if not straight up breaking laws and getting away with it

[jiggy]

like the games that I paid for that have been taken off of the store page

[jiggy]

So is what the store page is to be true to us when we buy a game

[Rainbow Dash]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Start_Running:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Tito Shivan:

One of these days people will learn corporations are NOT friends.

I mean corporations and busioness owners learn that their customers aren't their friends quite quickly.

yeah it's so hard to not scam and abuse and spy on customers right ? we would need to invent some "trade A for B that's it" system that limits itself to just that but it seems so complicated to figure out

[Start_Running]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Rainbow Dash:

you nitpick on meaningless words usage (abusing is a correct one, use "manipulating" if you want, it's true too)

IO know what both words mean and I know which word most accurately describes my feelings and experience. And I've had quite a bit of time to reflext on my WoW experiences.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Rainbow Dash:

and reduce things to a simple "both publishers and customers are at fault".

These things tend to operate in a feedback loop.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Rainbow Dash:

you mention wow yourself and being "manipulated" so you likely know of their bait & switch scams, content removals, implicitly mandatory expansions and so much of other bs that would make a long list with them.

I used the word manipulate because iat some point I realized f that for a good long whiole I'd been playing the game out of havbit...not because I was actively enjoying it. So IO stopped playing.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Rainbow Dash:

these companies constantly sell something then make it whatever else once they pocketed the money. and they are the ones creating the offer and trying so hard to advertise themselves, and the ones trying to find loopholes they can exploit in laws to push and benefit from morally wrong practices if not straight up breaking laws and getting away with it

And who's the one that rewards those actions. The consumer. Why? Because when a consumer is advcertised something they want they buy it.

Opprinnelig skrevet av jiggy:

So is what the store page is to be true to us when we buy a game

That string of words made no sense.
Try another prompt,

[jiggy]

Ok I will elaborate why are some games hidden from the store is it to hide important information about the game or bad reviews of that game that people should know if it had a problem hacked virus whatever review like when negative reviews are hidden or deleted

[jiggy]

What is wrong with this game can no longer be sold on the store on the store page

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Opprinnelig skrevet av wesnef:

Opprinnelig skrevet av mldb88:

They always had EULAs, just because you refused to read the wordy bit in the manual where it was explained doesn't mean they didn't have EULAs. Hell, even old NES games had EULAs.

Just went wandering through old manuals, and yeah - there's EULAs in the back of the Diablo 2 & Starcraft manuals, and in the Marathon Infinity (Bungie) one, among others -

"You are being granted a non-exclusive right to use the program within the diskette(s) or CD-Rom under the terms laid out below. . ."

Yup, it only far back as when BIG floppy disks that may not include EULAs we're talking like EARLY stages of gaming to exist basically.

Opprinnelig skrevet av jiggy:

license does not change tell me this is true or not true I have bought games in the past that i think they did not have eula's and now thy do on the store page

Eula can be placed in game, may appear when downloading/installing, or launching. Often Eula are on store pages older games may not have them display on store because dev/publisher didn't bother updating store page, or forgotten about it.

Opprinnelig skrevet av jiggy:

like the games that I paid for that have been taken off of the store page

And you still keep the games either way in your Steam library even if game store page gone, or not, and game delisted from sale this has no affect on existing owners. I own over 500+ delisted games, and I can still download them, and play them.

Opprinnelig skrevet av jiggy:

So is what the store page is to be true to us when we buy a game

Store is meant to inform users about game like if it single player, mmo, or etc, does it have 3rd party DRM, and so on like eula for microtransactions, multiplayer online, online access, or etc... Eula can always be updated due to changes like added microtransactions to the game, or server shutdown, and get offline mode, it whatever devs/publishers do to informing before buying, and existing owners when game still up for sale.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Opprinnelig skrevet av jiggy:

Ok I will elaborate why are some games hidden from the store is it to hide important information about the game or bad reviews of that game that people should know if it had a problem hacked virus whatever review like when negative reviews are hidden or deleted

Opprinnelig skrevet av jiggy:

What is wrong with this game can no longer be sold on the store on the store page

Actually reasons why store pages may get removed is either due request of Dev/publisher, or it was in violation of the platform rules.

Games can get delisted from sales due to no longer wanting to support, dev/publisher sold the IP off, and doesn't transfer store to new owner so new owner have to make new page, can be over licensing issues such as unable to renewal terms with music company, or etc that own parts of the rights to the game, can be number of reasons. This doesn't affect existing owners as they still have it in their library to download, and play whenever unless this is a online only game which is a given servers can shutdown when lack of customers, and sales.

If a game had a virus Steam actually inform all users by alert when sign into steam & email, and does a FULL automatic refund you can google this btw as they done this few times when scammers tried to be slick, and got caught they don't play around.

If a game dev/publisher don't want their game to be for sale it their right to stop it whenever they want, as Steam is just a store.

[jiggy]

So now Gothic 3 has control of updating there games not steam so it gives more hackers to mess with our computers