about the new "licence" law

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steam can remove my games if they decide to close? or stay on my libary?

[StickyPawz]

The license law for owning games hasn't changed in decades. What "new law" are you talking about?

[Maria]

Gaben can terminate your account for any reason, that's right.

[joemccormack_65]

Originally posted by ---:

steam can remove my games if they decide to close? or stay on my libary?

Yes, this is true. You could lose everything in a moment.

[Chika Ogiue]

Originally posted by ---:

steam can remove my games if they decide to close? or stay on my libary?

All that changed was that stores now have to add a piece of text explaining what has been true for 54 odd years (and what has been readily described in most terms of service, the same terms you agree to whenever you bought on Steam).

Physical, digital, it doesn't matter. You have never owned a game made by someone other than yourself. You have always purchased a license to play for as long as the game is available to be played -- which is not, and has never been, guaranteed to be forever.

[joemccormack_65]

Originally posted by StickyPawz:

The license law for owning games hasn't changed in decades. What "new law" are you talking about?

This is not a reason to keep things the same. Now, people, at least some of us, wants things done differently.

[Maria]

Originally posted by joemccormack_65:

This is not a reason to keep things the same. Now, people, at least some of us, wants things done differently.

They only told the OP that Steam's 'new' policy is nothing new.

[Lithurge]

Originally posted by joemccormack_65:

Originally posted by StickyPawz:

The license law for owning games hasn't changed in decades. What "new law" are you talking about?

This is not a reason to keep things the same. Now, people, at least some of us, wants things done differently.

Then you need to campaign to get your government to bring in laws that change how it works.

[joemccormack_65]

Originally posted by Maria:

Originally posted by joemccormack_65:

This is not a reason to keep things the same. Now, people, at least some of us, wants things done differently.

They only told the OP that Steam's 'new' policy is nothing new. :mspoo:

Not Chika. That person is saying it's always be the same so you have no right to post this. Didn't even just answer the question that you and I did. I was addressing my comment to Chika.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by ---:

steam can remove my games if they decide to close? or stay on my libary?

There has been no change to the license law since digital items have existed, the only change is they tell you in yet another place you own a license.

EVERYONE in theory CAN remove digital content purchased the same way Police CAN break into your house right now, tear gas you and then haul you off to jail.

The difference is being ABLE to do something doesn't mean they WILL do something, and they don't remove licenses for no reason.

[joemccormack_65]

Originally posted by Lithurge:

Originally posted by joemccormack_65:

This is not a reason to keep things the same. Now, people, at least some of us, wants things done differently.

Then you need to campaign to get your government to bring in laws that change how it works.

Agreed. Not just me though. All those who wanna a change. When enough people get hurt over this practice I believe things will change. Look at what happened when they shut don't the crew servers. Did people just say, oh well, this is how it has always been so lets just forget about it. No. No they didn't. A lot more people need to take a hit before change will occur, but change never happens by being silent. It happens by doing these thing, like voicing concerns.

[Trollhammer]

Originally posted by joemccormack_65:

Originally posted by StickyPawz:

The license law for owning games hasn't changed in decades. What "new law" are you talking about?

This is not a reason to keep things the same. Now, people, at least some of us, wants things done differently.

You mean the people unable to read a ToS in the first place ? Why suddenly do you want a change when you've been perfectly happy with your willful ignorance for more than a decade ?

[lailaamell]

All software you use either physical or digital are licenses and always been licenses ownership in software means you would have right to copy and sell it to others and also in game sake use its code to make sequels to sell neither of wich you ever had right to you always owned the right to use what you bought for private use. All valve did was make it more obvius for the majority of ppl who refuse to read the tos and eula

[joemccormack_65]

Originally posted by Brian9824:

Originally posted by ---:

steam can remove my games if they decide to close? or stay on my libary?

There has been no change to the license law since digital items have existed, the only change is they tell you in yet another place you own a license.

EVERYONE in theory CAN remove digital content purchased the same way Police CAN break into your house right now, tear gas you and then haul you off to jail.

The difference is being ABLE to do something doesn't mean they WILL do something, and they don't remove licenses for no reason.

That's because back then it wasn't like today. Back then things was very different. Distribution is what has changed. You got something physical and you could do what you wanted with it as long as you didn't plagiarize it in some way. It's true we never had the full rights that belong to the creator, but no one cared as long as they were making money. This is a very simplified explanation. Also, if it wasn't mine to keep and do what I want than why did game stop and others refuse to give me refunds? Why, because it was sold to us and they really didn't want to take it back, that's why. It was ours. You bought it, and what was on it, and now you do what you want to do with.

Today, they can take everything back and it doesn't cost them a thing. Well, good for them, they got there money, and now we have to fight for the right to own what we pay for. We don't even own the license that we give money for. Understand, I'm not calling fowl, I'm just saying, things need to change.

[joemccormack_65]

Originally posted by Trollhammer:

Originally posted by joemccormack_65:

This is not a reason to keep things the same. Now, people, at least some of us, wants things done differently.

You mean the people unable to read a ToS in the first place ? Why suddenly do you want a change when you've been perfectly happy with your willful ignorance for more than a decade ?

Willful ignorance by people is not a reason that people shouldn't push for change. look, if you are good where things are, then why rain on our parade. You are doing it because you want to be a troll. Anyway, you have a right to say what you like, but honestly, you should be playing your games. You really don't know how long you will have them. Just a thought.

[joemccormack_65]

Originally posted by joemccormack_65:

Originally posted by Brian9824:

There has been no change to the license law since digital items have existed, the only change is they tell you in yet another place you own a license.

EVERYONE in theory CAN remove digital content purchased the same way Police CAN break into your house right now, tear gas you and then haul you off to jail.

The difference is being ABLE to do something doesn't mean they WILL do something, and they don't remove licenses for no reason.

That's because back then it wasn't like today. Back then things was very different. Distribution is what has changed. You got something physical and you could do what you wanted with it as long as you didn't plagiarize it in some way. It's true we never had the full rights that belong to the creator, but no one cared as long as they were making money. This is a very simplified explanation. Also, if it wasn't mine to keep and do what I want than why did game stop and others refuse to give me refunds? Why, because it was sold to us and they really didn't want to take it back, that's why. It was ours. You bought it, and what was on it, and now you do what you want to do with it.

Today, they can take everything back and it doesn't cost them a thing. Well, good for them, they got there money, and now we have to fight for the right to own what we pay for. We don't even own the license that we give money for. Understand, I'm not calling fowl, I'm just saying, things need to change.