A purchase of digital product grant a license for a product of Steam ??? What the F?

[Richness 2x25]

I just received this news and I have 2 questions about this
- If we didn't received license game so what did we buying from Steam and what actually the f Steam thinking, did we getting fraud ?

- If somehow that we just buying digital license then what did we bought to and did these game we have will be remove out of Library ?

And the real question here it's: If we just owned digital license instead of game, so what did we owned after these 20 years from Steam?

Someone explain this situation, I feel Steam almost fraud of us
Gamerant article: https://gamerant.com/steam-digital-game-purchase-license-notice/?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem-GR&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook

[Wolf Knight]

stop clicking on the click bait. nothing has changed. what you buy is a LICENSE to use a game. this is how games have been even when sold on disks, you never owned the game itself, you only own the right to access the game. you never had the right to sell, rent, lease, etc.

read the licensing agreement you agreed to.

[Trollhammer]

More than 600 games and not once you read the user agreement...

[Piston Smashed™]

Over 21 years on Steam and I've yet to have a game removed from my library.

[Richness 2x25]

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

stop clicking on the click bait. nothing has changed. what you buy is a LICENSE to use a game. this is how games have been even when sold on disks, you never owned the game itself, you only own the right to access the game. you never had the right to sell, rent, lease, etc.

read the licensing agreement you agreed to.

You mean owned the right that it's on each account right?

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Piston Smashed™:

Over 21 years on Steam and I've yet to have a game removed from my library. :spazwinky:

I have.. I can't find Loadout in me library anymore, or Theat Endless Loot game.

[Chika Ogiue]

Originally posted by MarOkey:

Someone explain this situation, I feel Steam almost fraud of us

The situation is the same as it has been for 54 odd years. Literally, nothing has changed in terms of what you've paid for every time you have bought a video game. No, it isn't fraud.

Originally posted by Piston Smashed™:

Over 21 years on Steam and I've yet to have a game removed from my library.

I've only personally seen one. An online only game that shutdown. But it does happen, most often because the game is fraudulent (under the correct definition of the word) and Valve removes such games from libraries while refunding them.

[Milkette]

So if Aspyr decides to remove classic tomb raider and replace it with a remastered version from steam does that mean everyone has it in their library removed too?

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Milkette:

So if Aspyr decides to remove classic tomb raider and replace it with a remastered version from steam does that mean everyone has it in their library removed too?

No, you'll keep the old games and have to purchase the remastered version separately. Though sometimes it's with additional discounts. In rare cases, often indie ones, you get the remastered for free.

People are fussing over nothing. It's a word change, nothing more. There is NO change to how things work this regard.

As said, this just shows how many people use a service and do NOT read the terms. Cause if people had done so, they would realise that nothing has changed.

[wesnef]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by Milkette:

So if Aspyr decides to remove classic tomb raider and replace it with a remastered version from steam does that mean everyone has it in their library removed too?

No, you'll keep the old games and have to purchase the remastered version separately..

Yep, I still have the original Dead Island versions in my Steam library, not the remastered ones that they sell now.

[Taebrythn]

the part i am laughing at a lot is the fact people think they actually own it. lol. this goes to show how uninformed the public truly is. I have said this many times. i am now 46 and since a teenager in the 90's i have known the games even then were a license. there was no digital stores. at the time not like there is today.

the little booklet that came with each game even explained it was a license and it could be revoked but you never heard of it of course. to revoke a key would be burning the reputation of the company. it would need to have a very good reason to do that. of course if your copy was illegal well that would already explain it. Same with today. if you pirated it or used something shady to get your key then yes now they will probably remove it.


If Bethesda one day decided to revoke Skyrim keys from people's libraries for no reason it would burn them. Can they do it yes but it might not be a smart move.

But at the same time i have games still in my library despite the store page was removed. I know i have also had some removed but to know what exactly who knows. i don't keep a catalog of it. i know when i have seen the number drop a few times from what i owned.

[Caduryn]

Originally posted by MarOkey:

I just received this news and I have 2 questions about this
- If we didn't received license game so what did we buying from Steam and what actually the f Steam thinking, did we getting fraud ?

- If somehow that we just buying digital license then what did we bought to and did these game we have will be remove out of Library ?

And the real question here it's: If we just owned digital license instead of game, so what did we owned after these 20 years from Steam?

Someone explain this situation, I feel Steam almost fraud of us
Gamerant article: https://gamerant.com/steam-digital-game-purchase-license-notice/?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem-GR&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook

Never ever reading Eulas is what makes you post a plain stupid Topic.

Absolutly nothing has changed the last 20+ Years.

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by MarOkey:

- If we didn't received license game so what did we buying from Steam and what actually the f Steam thinking, did we getting fraud ?

You have always purchased a license, since the very beginning of gaming. Nothing has changed.

Originally posted by MarOkey:

- If somehow that we just buying digital license then what did we bought to and did these game we have will be remove out of Library ?

Has a game ever been removed out of your library before? In 20 years on Steam, no game has ever been removed from my library, and I have no reason to believe any game ever will be no matter what the clickbait articles say.

Originally posted by MarOkey:

And the real question here it's: If we just owned digital license instead of game, so what did we owned after these 20 years from Steam?

Same as ever. You own a license. Even when you bought a cartridge back in the day, you own a license to play the game that cartridge contains.

Originally posted by MarOkey:

Someone explain this situation, I feel Steam almost fraud of us

Steam has not "fraud of us". You buy the game. (technically you buy the game license, but that's really just semantics) You play the game. Valve has never taken away a license, and there's nothing to suggest they ever will. Don't let clickbait give you unhelpful anxiety over nothing.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Milkette:

So if Aspyr decides to remove classic tomb raider and replace it with a remastered version from steam does that mean everyone has it in their library removed too?

It depends on how they do it but yeah that is what can happen. Though most devs are too lazy to go that far and typically just keep the old stuff still in the game folder. THat's how it worked with Bioshock, Dead Island, Borderlands, etc, etc.

WHat tyhey more likely do is put the remaster as a seperate product so they can sell it to people who own the original..AGAIN. Like what they did with Resident evil 4. Dev/pubs would rather charge you twice than give you something for free.

Originally posted by Taebrythn:

the part i am laughing at a lot is the fact people think they actually own it. lol. this goes to show how uninformed the public truly is. I have said this many times. i am now 46 and since a teenager in the 90's i have known the games even then were a license. there was no digital stores. at the time not like there is today.

Yup...see you dun actually read the thing you were told to read.

Originally posted by Cray:

the little booklet that came with each game even explained it was a license and it could be revoked but you never heard of it of course. to revoke a key would be burning the reputation of the company. it would need to have a very good reason to do that. of course if your copy was illegal well that would already explain it. Same with today. if you pirated it or used something shady to get your key then yes now they will probably remove it.

There was also the fact that revocation was not cost effective for the company. That was more the issue. But now the technolofgy has bridged the game and lo it has become economically practical to do so when needed.

Originally posted by Cray:

If Bethesda one day decided to revoke Skyrim keys from people's libraries for no reason it would burn them. Can they do it yes but it might not be a smart move.

That would be a bigh issue for them since they can't just revoke on a whim. It is reserved for breach of contract so to do so Bethesda would have to show evidence of fraud or contract breach on the user's part. If they do not, then they wind up being in breach of the EULA and well.. them fines can be hefty. Thousands of dollars per user affected.

Originally posted by Cray:

But at the same time i have games still in my library despite the store page was removed. I know i have also had some removed but to know what exactly who knows. i don't keep a catalog of it. i know when i have seen the number drop a few times from what i owned.

I know of two games I had that are no longer in me library. Loadout, and MIghty Quest for Epic Loot.. Which kinda makes sense since bother were basically entirely server based so ince the servers went down...

[HikariLight]

Originally posted by Milkette:

So if Aspyr decides to remove classic tomb raider and replace it with a remastered version from steam does that mean everyone has it in their library removed too?

Removed from sale does not mean removed from library.
I have several games that are no longer sold, but are still in my library and I can download and play them at anytime, except the online modes as the servers are shut down.

[Caduryn]

Originally posted by Milkette:

So if Aspyr decides to remove classic tomb raider and replace it with a remastered version from steam does that mean everyone has it in their library removed too?

no