NOT BUYING GAME, BUYING DIGITAL LICENSE

[imotap]

So if we are not owner of the game i have some questions; (sorry about language im not native talker in english)
1- If we are not the owner of the game why are we paying total CD/DVD price?
2- If we just buy digital license, what if goverment in our country ban steam, sholdnt we still can play the game because its just a digital license. Where can we use that code other than steam if steam banned our countries?
3- this one can be unlogical but still im gonna ask:
-> If we are not owner of the game and if we cant access steam account(because like bannes steam in our country or other reasons) and there is no other places for playing game with our digital license. Shouldn't we be able to return these game digital licenses and take our moneys back?

[Chika Ogiue]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Исидор Јебач Кеви:

Except egs and every other store except steam are giving free games every couple of weeks/months

Plenty of games are given away on Steam, too. If you look for them.

For example, Steam DB track both Free weekend and Free to Keep giveaways:
https://steamdb.info/upcoming/free/

[Fizzban]

You have never owned your Steam games. Valve can take away your account or a game connected to it at any time and for any reason. Says so in the agreement. This has always been the case. Are people only truly realising this now?

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fizzban:

You have never owned your Steam games. Valve can take away your account or a game connected to it at any time and for any reason. Says so in the agreement. This has always been the case. Are people only truly realising this now?

That sounds bad. I don't like that and want it to be something else.
Do you have an argument for keeping it that way?
Or are you just informing people of something they have already discovered and are actively discussing?

[Start_Running]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Исидор Јебач Кеви:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Start_Running:

except that this same thing exists in EVERY store front. Heck i suspect you may see gog, EA, battle.net, and EGS updating their UI to reflect that new law.

Valve also is not the the one who determines the price of the games. That's the dev/pub 100%. and whart is 'full price' for a game. any non-discounted price would always be considered 'full price'.

Though it is telling that everyone who praises the EGS store only really mentions the free giveaways. This basically explains why EGS can't stop them and will continue to be a non-profitable money sink.

Except egs and every other store except steam are giving free games every couple of weeks/months

Yeah. Because they have to to get any sort off attention/ Steam on the other hand has a whole catalog of free to play games, and games are fairly regularly given away by publishers. You just have to pay attention.

Inotherwords. If you need to give away free money to get people to shop at your store...your store is probably crap.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Knee:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Исидор Јебач Кеви:

Except egs and every other store except steam are giving free games every couple of weeks/months

Because they want what steam has

At this point its not even that. They have unfoortunately cultivated a base of freeloaders. They can't stop now because if they do their user numbers are gonna plummet faster enough to bend relativity. So they've kinda locked themselves into a business model that dooms them to failure. But trying to break out of it at this point is only gonna bring that doom faster. Anyone who's followed EGS will have noticed that for the past yeart you've been seem mostly repeats on those giveaways.. Because again,its cheaper for them to do that and they're having a harder time getting dev/pubs to sign on with that.

[SomeMMORPGplayer]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kargor:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย imotap:

2- If we just buy digital license, what if goverment in our country ban steam, sholdnt we still can play the game because its just a digital license. Where can we use that code other than steam if steam banned our countries?

You can't. Besides, you only get a "code" when you buy a key somewhere else, and that key is useless outside of Steam. It's exclusively a way to show Steam that you HAVE purchased the game, and make them enable it on your account.

3- this one can be unlogical but still im gonna ask:
-> If we are not owner of the game and if we cant access steam account(because like bannes steam in our country or other reasons) and there is no other places for playing game with our digital license. Shouldn't we be able to return these game digital licenses and take our moneys back?

It's not Steam's fault that your government is going crazy.

If you buy a book in a bookstore, and a couple years later your government declares that book to be illegal, the bookstore isn't going to take it back either. You have to burn it yourself, and just take the loss.

steam sell you the license aka a rent of the game so they can remove the game from your library when they want, gog sell the game and you keep it

[Ben Lubar]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SomeMMORPGplayer:

steam sell you the license aka a rent of the game so they can remove the game from your library when they want, gog sell the game and you keep it

If I buy a game on GOG, can I make copies of it and sell them? Or is it actually the same as it is on Steam and every other game store?

[Fizzban]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SKARDAVNELNATE:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fizzban:

You have never owned your Steam games. Valve can take away your account or a game connected to it at any time and for any reason. Says so in the agreement. This has always been the case. Are people only truly realising this now?

That sounds bad. I don't like that and want it to be something else.
Do you have an argument for keeping it that way?
Or are you just informing people of something they have already discovered and are actively discussing?

I'm just saying it like it is. This isn't new. Do I wish it was different? Of course I do, but I understand the world I live in. What surprises me is there are people that don't know this.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fizzban:

What surprises me is there are people that don't know this.

They're discussing it now. That means they know about it. What was point in telling them something they already know?

[Amaterasu]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SKARDAVNELNATE:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fizzban:

What surprises me is there are people that don't know this.

They're discussing it now. That means they know about it. What was point in telling them something they already know?

They know what <Insert Social Media or Youtube Influencer Here> told them. They don't know how the world and licensing works. And considering I'm a high school dropout and I know how it works, there is no excuse.

[Ben Lubar]

Let's pretend there really is some game store out there that sells the game rather than a license.

If that's true, I can buy the game from there and then publish the game on Steam, and it's 100% legal because I own the game.

So unless someone knows of one such site, it probably doesn't exist. Or if it does exist, there's probably literally no games on it.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ben Lubar:

If that's true, I can buy the game from there and then publish the game on Steam, and it's 100% legal because I own the game.

Owning the games doesn't mean you own the characters, setting, plot, or distribution.
As one user is fond of saying It's a bad faith argument that you conflate these things.

[Bladeknightz]

they can say what they want ill do as i please with "MY" games, there are other ways to go about it without steam, or a storefront.

[pedro pedro pedro....peee]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kargor:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย imotap:

2- If we just buy digital license, what if goverment in our country ban steam, sholdnt we still can play the game because its just a digital license. Where can we use that code other than steam if steam banned our countries?

You can't. Besides, you only get a "code" when you buy a key somewhere else, and that key is useless outside of Steam. It's exclusively a way to show Steam that you HAVE purchased the game, and make them enable it on your account.

3- this one can be unlogical but still im gonna ask:
-> If we are not owner of the game and if we cant access steam account(because like bannes steam in our country or other reasons) and there is no other places for playing game with our digital license. Shouldn't we be able to return these game digital licenses and take our moneys back?

It's not Steam's fault that your government is going crazy.

If you buy a book in a bookstore, and a couple years later your government declares that book to be illegal, the bookstore isn't going to take it back either. You have to burn it yourself, and just take the loss.

!!

[Amaterasu]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SKARDAVNELNATE:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ben Lubar:

If that's true, I can buy the game from there and then publish the game on Steam, and it's 100% legal because I own the game.

Owning the games doesn't mean you own the characters, setting, plot, or distribution.
As one user is fond of saying It's a bad faith argument that you conflate these things.

Actually, it does. Like it or not the game itself is made up of the characters, setting, plot, coding, and assets. Things you do not own.

[pedro pedro pedro....peee]

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