NOT BUYING GAME, BUYING DIGITAL LICENSE

[imotap]

So if we are not owner of the game i have some questions; (sorry about language im not native talker in english)
1- If we are not the owner of the game why are we paying total CD/DVD price?
2- If we just buy digital license, what if goverment in our country ban steam, sholdnt we still can play the game because its just a digital license. Where can we use that code other than steam if steam banned our countries?
3- this one can be unlogical but still im gonna ask:
-> If we are not owner of the game and if we cant access steam account(because like bannes steam in our country or other reasons) and there is no other places for playing game with our digital license. Shouldn't we be able to return these game digital licenses and take our moneys back?

[xBCxRangers]

It's a Lease Agreement. That's the easiest way to understand it. Given that though, the prices should be consistant with a lease, not ownership.

[Start_Running]

Messaggio originale di xBCxRangers:

It's a Lease Agreement. That's the easiest way to understand it. Given that though, the prices should be consistant with a lease, not ownership.

YOu are not leasing the license.
Pigeon-holeing is what gets people into this problem in the first place.

[xBCxRangers]

Messaggio originale di Start_Running:

Messaggio originale di xBCxRangers:

It's a Lease Agreement. That's the easiest way to understand it. Given that though, the prices should be consistant with a lease, not ownership.

YOu are not leasing the license.
Pigeon-holeing is what gets people into this problem in the first place.

You're not leasing a license, when you buy a CD, which also a license. Big difference being, they can't take your CD away from you. You're leasing the license here.

[Piston Smashed™]

There is no difference between owning a game on disc, cartridge, cassette, floppy disc or it being digitally stored as it is today. Owning the media a game comes on doesn't give anyone permission to play a game, it is just the format the game was stored on to allow you to play the game on a platform. The permissions to play a game comes from the license you acquire from purchasing a game.

[Nx Machina]

Messaggio originale di xBCxRangers:

It's a Lease Agreement. That's the easiest way to understand it. Given that though, the prices should be consistant with a lease, not ownership.

Are you paying monthly for each game on Steam in your library? Nope.

A lease by definition is continual payments.

[HikariLight]

Messaggio originale di Nx Machina:

Messaggio originale di xBCxRangers:

It's a Lease Agreement. That's the easiest way to understand it. Given that though, the prices should be consistant with a lease, not ownership.

Are you paying monthly for each game on Steam in your library? Nope.

A lease by definition is continual payments.

And even when you're leasing a property you don't own it.
The property still belongs to whom ever your leasing it from.

[xBCxRangers]

Messaggio originale di Nx Machina:

Messaggio originale di xBCxRangers:

It's a Lease Agreement. That's the easiest way to understand it. Given that though, the prices should be consistant with a lease, not ownership.

Are you paying monthly for each game on Steam in your library? Nope.

A lease by definition is continual payments.

No, but you're having to meet the terms of the lease. When you own, there are no terms. You own the product. Here, you don't own anything.

In order for you to continue to use the product you buy, has to be consistant with the terms of the lease. And they tell you what the terms you have to meet are.

You buy a CD at Best Buy, you're not signing or having to meet any terms. You are not having to sign terms, before you go into their store for the purchase.

Now matter how we want to word it, it's a Lease.

[HikariLight]

Messaggio originale di xBCxRangers:

Messaggio originale di Nx Machina:

Are you paying monthly for each game on Steam in your library? Nope.

A lease by definition is continual payments.

No, but you're having to meet the terms of the lease. When you own, there are no terms. You own the product. Here, you don't own anything.

In order for you to continue to use the product you buy, has to be consistant with the terms of the lease. And they tell you what the terms you have to meet are.

You buy a CD at Best Buy, you're not signing or having to meet any terms. You are not having to sign terms, before you go into their store for the purchase.

Now matter how we want to word it, it's a Lease.

A lease is when you pay an annual rent.
You pay one time for a license, unless it is via a subscription service.
You have ALWAYS bought a license to the product.
You never had any ownership over the Intellectual Property.

[AustrAlien2010]

What I know, is that there are games that have “bad licenses” in Steam. A “bad license” is a license that will expire until one reconnects to the internet. Then the license is renewed and you can play again.

There are several games that have this system in place.

They take up maybe less than 5 percent of all games?


(Some of those games might be unavailable in various countries.)



I am not sure if I should report those games????

So that they might be fixed perhaps??
Because technically, the games do not need such a system. And the system isn't part of the game. And therefor also cannot be reviewed as it being something that is part of the game in a game-review.

[Start_Running]

Messaggio originale di AustrAlien2010:

What I know, is that there are games that have “bad licenses” in Steam. A “bad license” is a license that will expire until one reconnects to the internet. Then the license is renewed and you can play again.

CItation please. because you're just describing DRM right there.

Messaggio originale di AustrAlien2010:

Because technically, the games do not need such a system. And the system isn't part of the game. And therefor also cannot be reviewed as it being something that is part of the game in a game-review.

Irrelevant. If the dev/pub decides it is part of the software it's part of the software.

[AustrAlien2010]

I decide what I write in a review and what not. I do not consider DRM part of a game that I am reviewing. So I do not write about that.

And I cannot give a citation because it's simply something that I know to be true, and I am telling you about. The user will see an error pop-up literally reading the error-message: "Bad license in Steam," when it tries to run the game after prolonged offline periods. When the user reconnects, it is fixed, and it can play again.

[wesnef]

You're talking about DRM, not licenses.

[Start_Running]

Messaggio originale di AustrAlien2010:

I decide what I write in a review and what not. I do not consider DRM part of a game that I am reviewing. So I do not write about that.

Yeah but what is or isn'ty part of the game isn't your call m8. The dev/pubs can add and remove as they please. They can change and modify as they please. It is their software. You just have the license to use the software as delivered and defined by them.

It's right there in the terms you agreed to.

Messaggio originale di AustrAlien2010:

And I cannot give a citation because it's simply something that I know to be true,

If you can't objectiovely show the truth of it, then you don't know the truth of it.
So we'll just chalk this under 'made up nonsense'.

Messaggio originale di AustrAlien2010:

The user will see an error pop-up literally reading the error-message: "Bad license in Steam," when it tries to run the game after prolonged offline periods. When the user reconnects, it is fixed, and it can play again.

Yeah. that's the DRM. I.e it's a bad license because the drm cannot verify the license. to be real due to being offline. That's an actual feature of Offline mode. There is a finite limit to how long you can keep a game in offline mode and that is determined by the dev/pubs.

[AustrAlien2010]

I am just stating facts. I don't have a secret agenda to make up stories.

But there are also games on Steam that have no copy protection whatsoever. And where you can just copy & paste the installation folder to your other computers and run the game on those as well, without even having to run Steam. In the same way that you can manage your music files which you bought through Steam. (In case you bought any.)
They just send you the music files, and in case you ever lose them, you can simply re-download them.

So it really depends on the game title. And not so much on Steam. Steam doesn't seem to force any DRM on the developers, other than what the developers want for themselves.

[HikariLight]

Messaggio originale di AustrAlien2010:

I am just stating facts. I don't have a secret agenda to make up stories.

But there are also games on Steam that have no copy protection whatsoever. And where you can just copy & paste the installation folder to your other computers and run the game on those as well, without even having to run Steam. In the same way that you can manage your music files which you bought through Steam. (In case you bought any.)
They just send you the music files, and in case you ever lose them, you can simply re-download them.

So it really depends on the game title. And not so much on Steam. Steam doesn't seem to force any DRM on the developers, other than what the developers want for themselves.

DRM is copy protection.
Steam itself is the DRM.
Lack of a DRM does not change the fact you only bought a license to play, you are still bound by he exact same EULA as games that have DRM, except there is no way to prove you actually own that copy of the game.