anyone know why Tokyo Clanpool got banned

[EMO GANGSTER]

Tokyo Clanpool was supposedly banned on Steam I'm not 100% sure that's the case may have been just they decided to go just Gog but I'm curious why if it was anyone know?

[D. Flame]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Waifu4Life:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από D. Flame:

I see. So you demand evidence from others, then make up claims yourself with no evidence.

Is this you?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/6725643618954281618/?ctp=5
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/6733519291688140174/

Got a full google search of you regarding DEI on Steam forums

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I could show you recordings of a Valve's staff rejecting the games and you would still be in denial because you have a political agenda. For a centrist like me, you're no different than the people you hate, you're just on the opposite side.

1.) Ad hominem fallacies are not evidence nor proofs.

2.) If you keep stalking me more thoroughly, you'll see that I support Socialism and UBI (tempered by capitalism), so I am not the right wing parrot that you are implying that I am. I actually lean to the left, quite a bit.

So again, do you actually have any actual evidence for your claims, or are you going to just keep resorting to personal attacks?

[Waifu4Life]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από D. Flame:

1.) Ad hominem fallacies are not evidence nor proofs.

2.) If you keep stalking me more thoroughly, you'll see that I support Socialism (tempered by capitalism), so I am not the right wing parrot that you are implying that I am. I actually lean to the left, quite a bit.

So again, so you actually have any actual evidence for your claims, or are you going to just keep resorting to personal attacks?

Socialism is not is a left or right thing, it's a stupid thing period by people who just don't want to work for a living.

Now back to the topic at hand, my proof is called common sense and knowing how a business works.

1- Do you honestly thing that the owner and CEO of a game distribution company would sit down and review the approval process of every freaking game released on their platform?

2- Which is more cost affective
a) Hire a people at a low wage to do the review process of every games on your platform
or
b) Pay an external firm like SBI to do the review process of every games your platform

Now let's stop playing idiots and let's be honest. You hate SBI and DEI. I called out someone for making stuff up and no proof regarding SBI and now you're trying to white knight this person. There's a difference between looking outside and thinking that it might rain even if it doesn't end up raining Vs looking outside and thinking that the sky is falling.

EDIT: Going to sleep now, good night.

[ValentB]

pro-russian pro-terrorist trump has won so based Japanese don't wanna publish on American platform anymore.

Pro-European Pro-Ukrainian GOG one love.

[D. Flame]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Waifu4Life:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από D. Flame:

1.) Ad hominem fallacies are not evidence nor proofs.

2.) If you keep stalking me more thoroughly, you'll see that I support Socialism (tempered by capitalism), so I am not the right wing parrot that you are implying that I am. I actually lean to the left, quite a bit.

So again, so you actually have any actual evidence for your claims, or are you going to just keep resorting to personal attacks?

Socialism is not is a left or right thing, it's a stupid thing period by people who just don't want to work for a living.

Now back to the topic at hand, my proof is called common sense and knowing how a business works.

1- Do you honestly thing that the owner and CEO of a game distribution company would sit down and review the approval process of every freaking game released on their platform?

2- Which is more cost affective
a) Hire a people at a low wage to do the review process of every games on your platform
or
b) Pay an external firm like SBI to do the review process of every games your platform

Now let's stop playing {redacted} and let's be honest. You hate SBI and DEI. I called out someone for making stuff up and no proof regarding SBI and now you're trying to white knight this person. There's a difference between looking outside and thinking that it might rain even if it doesn't end up raining Vs looking outside and thinking that the sky is falling.

A CEO would not make every individual choice, but they would set the policy. And if there was a pattern of their directions being disregarded and countermanded, then they would step in to course correct and deal with the insubordination.

The current DEI movement is NOT about inclusion, but it is about EXCLUSION. Take TERFs for example, Trans-EXCLUSIONARY Radical Feminists. They are not focused on trying to win equal rights for women; they are all about trying to punish MtF persons.

Civil Rights and Equal Rights are a good thing, but that is not what these groups are pushing. (I am vehemently opposed to TERFs.)

They are trying to destroy games that I like to play. If they were just trying to get games made for themselves, I would not mind. I don't play BL games for example, but I know that they appeal to a certain audience. So I have no issues with BL games existing, because there are actually people that want them and buy them.

Ironically, these same DEI groups are trying to block BL games too, and if you don't know, BL games are games geared towards women. They tend to be anime-styled, and they focus on relationships between two men, or one man with several male love interests. AKA the same sort of anime games being blocked and rejected by Steam currently.

Meanwhile, I am a fan of Anime-styled games, and I find it ridiculous that Steam is targeting them. Like I have said repeatedly, it makes no sense for Steam to approve Shantae game avatars (a game that I am a fan of BTW), then ban people for actually purchasing and equipping them.

Just one thread of person banned for using the Giga Mermaid Avatar:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/764300/discussions/0/4338734057915807748/

Official Shantae Avatars:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/764300/Avatar/List

Giga Mermaid is the one on the right second from the top.

So explain how it makes sense for Steam to sell you an official avatar, then ban you if you actually use the item that they just sold to you.

[Seraphita]

Not a single one of the Shantae avatars is wrong in any ways. It makes me wonder what steam is taking. The mermaid itself is an ADULT MERMAID beast girl. It doesn't even touch the fictional debate people make up to be upset about something irrational... Jeez.

[D. Flame]

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Not a single one of the Shantae avatars is wrong in any ways. It makes me wonder what steam is taking. The mermaid itself is an ADULT MERMAID beast girl. It doesn't even touch the fictional debate people make up to be upset about something irrational... Jeez.

Exactly, but if you read that person's posts, they bought it, equipped it, used it for a decent amount of time. Then they got randomly avatar banned.

They appealed, got the ban reversed, got the okay by the mods to use it again...

...Then they got banned for it again immediately after, and the ban was greatly extended.

I can also link to a forum post from a dev with an fan service game, that has zero nudity and zero sex, but because it has an anime style, Steam forced them to mark the game as adults only or it would be rejected from Steam. They said this in their own word on their official dev account.

Meanwhile, western-styled games with actual softcore porn in them do not require the same AO tags. It is proof positive of a bias against anime-styled games and unequal application of the rules.

[Seraphita]

This is where we see one evidence that steam is incapable of being consistent...

[D. Flame]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphita:

This is where we see one evidence that steam is incapable of being consistent...

Yes, I am sure that instead of them fixing the issues and applying the rules fairly, I will just get banned for pointing out the inconsistencies.

[ValentB]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από D. Flame:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphita:

Not a single one of the Shantae avatars is wrong in any ways. It makes me wonder what steam is taking. The mermaid itself is an ADULT MERMAID beast girl. It doesn't even touch the fictional debate people make up to be upset about something irrational... Jeez.

Exactly, but if you read that person's posts, they bought it, equipped it, used it for a decent amount of time. Then they got randomly avatar banned.

They appealed, got the ban reversed, got the okay by the mods to use it again...

...Then they got banned for it again immediately after, and the ban was greatly extended.

I can also link to a forum post from a dev with an fan service game, that has zero nudity and zero sex, but because it has an anime style, Steam forced them to mark the game as adults only or it would be rejected from Steam. They said this in their own word on their official dev account.

Meanwhile, western-styled games with actual softcore porn in them do not require the same AO tags. It is proof positive of a bias against anime-styled games and unequal application of the rules.

Japanese really really need their own AAA store. Or switch to GOG. But that would require removing denuvo for some (SEGA, SE, Capcom).

[ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphita:

This is where we see one evidence that steam is incapable of being consistent...

It allows one thing yet bans another, even if it is similar. I looked at some screenshots (of Tokyo Clanpool) and I'd assume it's because of the characters and the outfits/clothes they are wearing.

But I am sure there are games already on Steam that have characters that are similar and them being in certain clothes etc. Nowadays though, Valve/Steam is being picky with what it accepts/bans, this one being another "What, why they ban?" game.

[JamesF0790]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Seraphita:

This is where we see one evidence that steam is incapable of being consistent...

It allows one thing yet bans another, even if it is similar. I looked at some screenshots (of Tokyo Clanpool) and I'd assume it's because of the characters and the outfits/clothes they are wearing.

But I am sure there are games already on Steam that have characters that are similar and them being in certain clothes etc. Nowadays though, Valve/Steam is being picky with what it accepts/bans, this one being another "What, why they ban?" game.

As specified it's likely the "rubbing" part given the questionable age.

[Soren]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από JamesF0790:

As specified it's likely the "rubbing" part given the questionable age.

Yeah, looking into it, the articles people linked weren't even proving the game was banned or anything. But assuming the game was blacklisted, it was probably because it was skirting to close to loli CP territory. Surprised Nintendo didn't catch it, but they have accidentally greenlight games they later took back, like a strip majong game having the censor bars literally mis-aligned off the nipples, only to find out later when people talked about it. So Nintendo isn't actually fully reviewing the content they allow their platform. They're just trusting orgs like the ESRB does. Which even the ESRB doesn't check the game out and trusts the developer/publisher to disclose everything. As they've allowed nudity (hentai), in a teen rated product before.

The other option is the game was slated for an adult only rating, the publishers/devs didn't like the lower visibility, so they exclusively went to GoG despite not being blacklisted. But there is no evidence to back this claim up either.

[Ben Lubar]

I don't see any games named Clanpool on SteamDB: https://steamdb.info/search/?a=all&q=clanpool

So the game didn't get very far through the review process if it was even submitted.

[D. Flame]

LOLLIPOP CHAINSAW RePOP literally stars a highschool cheerleader, and it is allowed on Steam. The only difference is that it doesn't have an anime visual style.

I have literally seen two games in the same series get treated differently. One was far more lewd, and it did not get forced to use an AO only tag because it used traditional 3d models. The second example was far more tame, but it used cell shading on the models. They were forced to use the AO tag (though, I believe that they have since appealed that and won).

The main problem here is the lack of consistency, lack of equal treatment, and the bias against anything with an anime visual style. Again, look at the Shantae Giga Mermaid Avatar example. There is no reason why a person should be banned then unbanned only to be immediately banned again for longer just because they are using an official avatar on the same site that sold it to them.

[Soren]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από D. Flame:

LOLLIPOP CHAINSAW RePOP literally stars a highschool cheerleader, and it is allowed on Steam. The only difference is that it doesn't have an anime visual style.

Loli-esk designs are generally more attributed to paedophilia as they're around/under 13 in how they're designed to look. Highschool is a bit more older and morally ambiguous (18 year olds can even be in highschool). Steam is obviously going to take issue with the one that's closer to CP if they're designed to look even younger than a high schooler.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από D. Flame:

The main problem here is the lack of consistency, lack of equal treatment, and the bias against anything with an anime visual style. Again, look at the Shantae Giga Mermaid Avatar example. There is no reason why a person should be banned then unbanned on to be immediately banned again for longer just because they are using an official avatar on the same site that sold it to them.

I mean, I haven't seen any examples of the Shantae Giga Mermaid Avatar actually resulting in a ban. Just heresay of someone claiming they were banned for it twice. I've seen people with worse, more hentai-esk steam avatars and backgrounds not banned. So I'm not sure I believe the story 100%. Not even a screenshot of the steam ban message.