xBCxRangers 3 NOV 2024 a las 10:27
Are MP games going to leave Steam Deck due to Linux ?
I saw a video, by a pretty reputable YTer stating that EA is ridding Apex Legends from Steam Deck and the Linux platform due to anti cheat vulnerabilities.

Idk if it's proper to put up the video, but seemingly people may be entitled to refunds, or not. I literally know nothing about that game, or this matter.

I can post a link to the related matter...

https://www.ign.com/articles/apex-legends-drops-steam-deck-support-over-rampant-cheating

Other games can seemingly follow, if it's found people using Linux as a way to counter anti cheat.

How will this affect future Steam Deck games?

I suppose just yet another example, of how we do not own our games on Steam.
Última edición por xBCxRangers; 3 NOV 2024 a las 10:33
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Piston Smashed™ 3 NOV 2024 a las 10:39 
It has nothing to do with Steam no matter how much you want to blame them for it.
mldb88 3 NOV 2024 a las 10:42 
Oh hey, more clickbaity titles and an article that has absolutely ZERO relevance to the point being made.

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Idk if it's proper to put up the video, but seemingly people may be entitled to refunds, or not. I literally know nothing about that game, or this matter.

Then maybe you should stop posting on topics as though you do.
Última edición por mldb88; 3 NOV 2024 a las 10:44
xBCxRangers 3 NOV 2024 a las 10:46 
Publicado originalmente por Piston Smashed™:
It has nothing to do with Steam no matter how much you want to blame them for it.

Well tell me where i'm wrong. And be frank. I'm not knowledgeable on these tech issues The games is still operable, on the other systems. It's not operable, on Steam Deck, due to they using a Steam OS (Linux) system.

So how does this have nothing do, with Steam?

We're here to learn :steamhappy:
Komarimaru 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:05 
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Publicado originalmente por Piston Smashed™:
It has nothing to do with Steam no matter how much you want to blame them for it.

Well tell me where i'm wrong. And be frank. I'm not knowledgeable on these tech issues The games is still operable, on the other systems. It's not operable, on Steam Deck, due to they using a Steam OS (Linux) system.

So how does this have nothing do, with Steam?

We're here to learn :steamhappy:
From your own article posted.

The reason the team says it’ll be ending support for Steam Deck, which uses Linux by default, is that there is “currently no reliable way for us to differentiate a legitimate Steam Deck from a malicious cheat claiming to be a Steam Deck (via Linux).” However, if handheld users manage to install and use Windows on Steam Deck instead, they’ll be able to continue playing on the device. So, while the developers continue to crack down on cheaters plaguing the long-running battle royale game, all Linux users will no longer be able to enjoy the experience at all.

So, has nothing to do with Steam.
Mad Scientist 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:07 
Anticheats don't like to work on Linux so games that rely on it won't be available on any Linux platform unless fixed by the developers or anticheat creators.
EAC is the most popular and that is owned by epic games.
RedLightning 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:12 
Yet another way to keep people in windows. Sad. I hope that some sort of truce is made and in the end, these anticheat developers cater to Linux (deck).
ChuTheMan 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:19 
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Publicado originalmente por Piston Smashed™:
It has nothing to do with Steam no matter how much you want to blame them for it.

Well tell me where i'm wrong. And be frank. I'm not knowledgeable on these tech issues The games is still operable, on the other systems. It's not operable, on Steam Deck, due to they using a Steam OS (Linux) system.

So how does this have nothing do, with Steam?

We're here to learn :steamhappy:
the reason is for the openess of linux, nothing to do with steamOS or valve.

some quotes from other articles about this topic:
"The openness of the Linux operating systems makes it an attractive one for cheaters and cheat developers," the Apex anticheat team wrote in an update explaining its decision.

and:
"Linux cheats are indeed harder to detect and the data shows that they are growing at a rate that requires an outsized level of focus and attention from the team for a relatively small platform. There are also cases in which cheats for the Windows OS get emulated as if it's on Linux in order to increase the difficulty of detection and prevention."


SteamOS is not the issue, the issue is its easier to cheat on some linux based OS (and because linux is open source there are a ton of different Linux based OS), and they simply can't ID the difference between a real steamdeck running SteamOS and some other OS that pretend to be steamOS.
so they just blocked Linux in general.


it all boils down to how easy it is to work around kernel level anti-cheat on linux and how hard it is to actually get kernel level anti-cheat to work well on linux.
and just to let people know how insane EAs anti cheat really is: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/xf1cwr/the_insanity_of_eas_anticheat_system_by_a_kernel/

ofc i wouldn't expect OP of all people to actually read into anything, other than just "haha f valve"
xBCxRangers 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:21 
Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Well tell me where i'm wrong. And be frank. I'm not knowledgeable on these tech issues The games is still operable, on the other systems. It's not operable, on Steam Deck, due to they using a Steam OS (Linux) system.

So how does this have nothing do, with Steam?

We're here to learn :steamhappy:
From your own article posted.

The reason the team says it’ll be ending support for Steam Deck, which uses Linux by default, is that there is “currently no reliable way for us to differentiate a legitimate Steam Deck from a malicious cheat claiming to be a Steam Deck (via Linux).” However, if handheld users manage to install and use Windows on Steam Deck instead, they’ll be able to continue playing on the device. So, while the developers continue to crack down on cheaters plaguing the long-running battle royale game, all Linux users will no longer be able to enjoy the experience at all.

So, has nothing to do with Steam.

Well, i suppose that would mean the Win 7 matter had nothing to do with Steam. But it sure as heck does, if you're on Win 7 using Steam.

Like its a Steam matter, if you own Steam Deck in regards to this and likely other games.

So, don't know if i understand that rationale at all.

In other words, if you decide to use Steam on Linux, that is your perogative. But here, the Steam Deck was sold, on the OS it was sold on.

And so it would seem to me, it has everything to do with Steam, being they made the decision to sell their gadget on an OS, that can be compromised on some games. And bye bye game.

Anyhow, i'll let you and others opine on this. You're all brighter than me on these tech issues.
Última edición por xBCxRangers; 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:24
Komarimaru 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:24 
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:
From your own article posted.



So, has nothing to do with Steam.

Well, i suppose that would mean the Win 7 matter had nothing to do with Steam. But it sure as heck does, if you're on Win 7 using Steam.

Like its a Steam matter, if you own Steam Deck in regards to this and likely other games.

So, don't know if i understand that rationale at all.
Windows 7 was dropped around the world, not just a Steam thing.

Steam Deck is affected, but it's not a Steam thing but a Linux issue, due to how many and easily cheat with Linux.
ChuTheMan 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:28 
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:
From your own article posted.



So, has nothing to do with Steam.

Well, i suppose that would mean the Win 7 matter had nothing to do with Steam. But it sure as heck does, if you're on Win 7 using Steam.

Like its a Steam matter, if you own Steam Deck in regards to this and likely other games.

So, don't know if i understand that rationale at all.

it had nothing to do with steam, microsoft stopped supporting windows 7, AKA no more updates which meant less security, but also less new updated features that would be required for steam to run properly.
Not to mention it can save people from losing their accounts since there will be no more security updates on win7 and running win7 would most likely also risk your steam account.

just with the feature part, steam relies on some features that are built into Chromium which are not supported on win7 any longer.
AKA they want to update their client using newer versions of software that are not working on win7.
xBCxRangers 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:32 
Publicado originalmente por ChuTheMan:
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Well, i suppose that would mean the Win 7 matter had nothing to do with Steam. But it sure as heck does, if you're on Win 7 using Steam.

Like its a Steam matter, if you own Steam Deck in regards to this and likely other games.

So, don't know if i understand that rationale at all.

it had nothing to do with steam, microsoft stopped supporting windows 7, AKA no more updates which meant less security, but also less new updated features that would be required for steam to run properly.
Not to mention it can save people from losing their accounts since there will be no more security updates on win7 and running win7 would most likely also risk your steam account.

just with the feature part, steam relies on some features that are built into Chromium which are not supported on win7 any longer.
AKA they want to update their client using newer versions of software that are not working on win7.

Well can the same case not be made here? If big developers have no way, or no desire to create their games and anti cheat contingent on the Steam Deck and their OS, that would likely mean, like the Win 7 issue, your games will not be supported in the future.

Whatever the event, what can you tell Steam Deck users, about the future of their games, current and future, in assurance they will have their games?
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ChuTheMan 3 NOV 2024 a las 11:54 
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Publicado originalmente por ChuTheMan:

it had nothing to do with steam, microsoft stopped supporting windows 7, AKA no more updates which meant less security, but also less new updated features that would be required for steam to run properly.
Not to mention it can save people from losing their accounts since there will be no more security updates on win7 and running win7 would most likely also risk your steam account.

just with the feature part, steam relies on some features that are built into Chromium which are not supported on win7 any longer.
AKA they want to update their client using newer versions of software that are not working on win7.

Well can the same case not be made here? If big developers have no way, or no desire to create their games and anti cheat contingent on the Steam Deck and their OS, that would likely mean, like the Win 7 issue, your games will not be supported in the future.

Whatever the event, what can you tell Steam Deck users, about the future of their games, current and future, in assurance they will have their games?
Steam OS is safe enough, the issue is its not hard to make a game think you run steamOS (or other OS) while running something else.

so it's impossible for a dev/anti cheat team/a game to see what OS you really use, and because of that they just locked out all of linux, the main issue is with linux itself.
again boils down to big companies wanna use kernel anti cheat which is just not as easy on linux as it is on windows.

giving kernel access to random software is just dangerous overall, if some bad actor somehow got access to that, your PC will be completely screwed.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 3 NOV 2024 a las 12:24 
You can just install Windows on the Deck. It's a Linux user problem, not a Steam problem.

:nkCool:
Piston Smashed™ 3 NOV 2024 a las 12:29 
Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:
Publicado originalmente por Piston Smashed™:
It has nothing to do with Steam no matter how much you want to blame them for it.

Well tell me where i'm wrong. And be frank. I'm not knowledgeable on these tech issues The games is still operable, on the other systems. It's not operable, on Steam Deck, due to they using a Steam OS (Linux) system.

So how does this have nothing do, with Steam?

We're here to learn :steamhappy:

The lack of anti-cheat development over the years on Linux is a big reason why they are having trouble trying to deal with cheaters using the OS, on top of that you have multiple versions of Linux where the anti-cheat might not work as well as on another variation of Linux. Trying to get an anti-cheat to work with all of the different factors isn't as easy as some would like to think it is, hell they struggle with it on Windows and there's only a couple versions.

The game in question, Apex Legends, is not a Valve game. The anti-cheat used by Apex Legends is not developed by Valve/Steam. People cheating on a game has anything to do with Steam/Valve other than maybe playing the game through the Steam client on a Linux based machine. The problem is down to the developers of the game and those who created the anti-cheat. They need to make a working version which will run on all forms of the Linux OS's and games. None of this is Steam's fault nor is it their responsibility to sort out, even if they do use a version of Linux for the Steam Deck.

I suppose we could go into more details but I don't see the point because quite frankly you don't listen, you ignore anything you're told and struggle to understand even the basics of anything. If you can't understand the difference between Lease and License then you've got no chance of understand anything a tad more complicated. :spazwinky:
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xBCxRangers 3 NOV 2024 a las 12:33 
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If you can't understand the difference between Lease and License then you've got no chance of understand anything a tad more complicated. :spazwinky:

Well, that matter is half this forum sir or ma'am. And therefore a divisive issue. As far as this issue, as Hotsauce has claimed, they're just going to have to install Windows if they want assurance they will have their games.

As long as Steam Deck is able to and has the room, to install future Windows OS.
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