Zeke45 Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:31pm
Early access = "we'll never finish this hot mess. Now pay us."
It's ludicrous, and we have Steam to thank for allowing and outright promoting this crap and making it mainstream.

People need to stop buying incomplete, never-to-be-finished crap. Would you buy a book while it's in "busted novel" mode? "I started writing this but now I got writer's block. I haven't a clue how to advance the plot any further. Also, what there is of it, badly needs editing. There's some good stuff in it though. Now pay me."

Off the top of my head I can think of maybe 8 or 10 instances where an early-access release got finished. In at least one of those cases the "finished" version was anything but.
Last edited by Zeke45; Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:34pm
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AmsterdamHeavy Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:37pm 
Dont buy it.

You dont get to decide what *I* might want to buy though.
Tito Shivan Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:38pm 
Originally posted by Zeke45:
"we'll never finish this hot mess. Now pay us."
Then don't.

It's that easy. If you value finished games, buy your games when they're finished.
Mad Scientist Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:39pm 
As this has been discussed, numerous times already;
Early Access Game
Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it develops.

Note: Games in Early Access are not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.

User choice to ignore the big blue warning box.

You've already made threads on this;
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3135045355776071773/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/5077247980467788448/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3833171151462599935/
я Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:40pm 
A lot of early access games are great, and we wouldn't have a lot of cool games today if it wasn't for it. like Black Mesa, BeamNG.drive, My Summer Car, Project Zomboid, Lethal Company and the list goes on and on.
for me, early access and the old Green Light were one of the best things steam did.
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Wasted Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:41pm 
Altight show us which game hurt you this time.
Maria Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:46pm 
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
You've already made threads on this;
OP never replied to any given posts in all those threads......

Really. What's the point of making a thread if you are not going to participate in the discussion?

:nkDaze:
Crazy Tiger Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:47pm 
Originally posted by Tito Shivan:
Originally posted by Zeke45:
"we'll never finish this hot mess. Now pay us."
Then don't.

It's that easy. If you value finished games, buy your games when they're finished.
^^ This.
HikariLight Nov 24, 2024 @ 2:53pm 
I have bought a couple games that were in early access and all of them are now on full release.
Early access is NOT a guarantee that the game will be finished.
There is a BIG BLUE BOX with a warning telling you that you are buying the game for its CURRENT state, as it may not receive further updates.
76561198407601200 Nov 24, 2024 @ 4:06pm 
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
As this has been discussed, numerous times already;
Early Access Game
Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it develops.

Note: Games in Early Access are not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.

User choice to ignore the big blue warning box.

You've already made threads on this;
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3135045355776071773/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/5077247980467788448/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3833171151462599935/
You'd think after all this time they'd stop promoting early access games.

Originally posted by Maria:
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
You've already made threads on this;
OP never replied to any given posts in all those threads......

Really. What's the point of making a thread if you are not going to participate in the discussion?

:nkDaze:
For the performance since as you can see they want to censor early access games which conflict with their own interest.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/4629230764944314351/
Last edited by The Living Tribunal; Nov 24, 2024 @ 4:08pm
DiceDsx Nov 24, 2024 @ 4:26pm 
Originally posted by Tito Shivan:
Originally posted by Zeke45:
"we'll never finish this hot mess. Now pay us."
Then don't.

It's that easy. If you value finished games, buy your games when they're finished.
They'd still complain that the "finished" games are buggy and/or unoptimized like they were forced to buy them day one.

On that note, I think I found the anthem of these people.
Eagle_of_Fire Nov 24, 2024 @ 4:45pm 
Originally posted by Zeke45:
People need to stop buying incomplete, never-to-be-finished crap.
Then people also need to stop buying incomplete and completely soul less released AAA crap. It go both way.

The EA market is a way some people choose to promote because they want to try to ever so slightly try to tug the gaming industry blanket back toward where it should be, so to speak. You are completely in your right to ignore those games if you don't want to do this but what exactly made you in charge of deciding what others do? If people are good with sacrificing their next day coffee in an unlikely attempt of helping create something good then let them be.
wesnef Nov 24, 2024 @ 5:06pm 
All but maybe one or two EA games I've gone in for, have released.
Including Minecraft, the original EA game (got that one back at Alpha)

Originally posted by Zeke45:
People need to stop buying incomplete, never-to-be-finished crap. Would you buy a book while it's in "busted novel" mode?

Well, there's serialized stories that release in magazines over time.
And back when they were still a physical thing, there were any number of comic books that I subscribed to that ended up stopping before they actually 'completed' their story.
And I'm pretty sure that there've been people who subscribed to pay cable channels (back before streaming) for a particular original series, only for it to never finish or get canceled.
Cray Nov 24, 2024 @ 5:50pm 
Yeah, post title summarizes a solid chunk of so-called games sold on steam.

I don't buy early access games, and even as someone who doesn't touch them I'm annoyed by how sloppy and unprofessional looking the whole practice is in many cases.

How many other stores do you see doing this?

"We sell tested foods and pants, and food that hasn't been tested yet and pants that aren't finished."

"Here's an app store. Many of these aren't finished and don't really belong in a store, but we're selling them anyway."

Having a store is as much about vetting products as it is selling them. Simply slapping a label onto something and saying "no quality test, no guarantees, no refunds if it doesn't live up to its claims" just isn't good enough. You're not just a peddler of any random crap that comes your way, you're also the last link of quality assurance.

Meeting criticisms of how the practice lacks safety nets and minimum criteria with "well just don't buy it then" isn't good enough either. It's not that it shouldn't exist, it's how it's done.

Because the end result is that if you want, you can deliberately set something up to look good, entice buyers and make wild claims, with no intent whatsoever of finishing, collect your money and abandon it and see no repercussion despite broken promises to customers who get no refund.

You can simply lie from day one and earn money doing it, that extreme end of the deal is what the problem is. Would you really want to set up a store that allows for such sloppy practice?
If steam weren't a well established platform and did this from day one, they'd be a forgotten footnote in history today.

Early access in itself is a good enough idea. Implementing it with 0% guarantees for the customer of any sort, however.. please. You earn money from the sale, take some responsibility and have some pride in your brand.

If you don't see the problem or a need for some minimum protections/guarantees (like a refund when it's clear they just phoned it in and quit when they no longer felt like working) and think "just don't buy it" is the final answer, you're probably an idiot who missed the point. Don't quit your day job, unless it's store management.
Eagle_of_Fire Nov 24, 2024 @ 6:01pm 
Originally posted by Cray:
How many other stores do you see doing this?
Quite unfortunately... In the recent years? Quite a lot.
Darzai Nov 24, 2024 @ 6:57pm 
Early Access made it possible for many indie developers to generate some revenue while working on a game. This does not always work out well though.
So, imo only buy an EA game based on the state that game is in. And not based on whatever future roadmap shows.
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