Insane Bioware censorship (they have completely lost their marbles)

[TapewormJim (TJ)]

I posted the below on the Veilguard forums, and literally one minute later received a permanent ban. It's Bioware's devs/mods, for sure - they have permanently banned all of Asmongold's reddit followers as well apparently, because they are literally insane - gaga mental.

Posting it here as you can clearly see no Steam rules whatsoever were broken.

I'm not surprised they have such thin skin, however - nor am I surprised they are so triggered by the mere mention of Trump. Steam needs to stop giving activists/crazies the reigns on moderating the forums. People this unhinged and maladjusted to society and humour should not be allowed to cyber-shoot paying customers on the platform.

I've heard the 'their house, their rules' shtick before btw, so spare me that one, yeah? Because 'my keyboard, my post'. You know what I mean?

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Apparently Avowed will release in Feb, only a few months away. Calling it now that that'll be the next Failguard. I guarantee it. It has the same toony, plastic look, with purple everywhere the eye can see. Is it a contrivance of theirs, or is it just some psychological thing to which they gravitate, unknowingly?

IMO, Veilguard is on the way out anyway judging by the declining CP stats, but it's going be a slow, dull death. I'm more interested in the aftermath - what happens to Bioware after all of this? It'll probably take another month before the sorry ending plays out.

I'm delighted Trump won btw - if he's serious about overhauling DEI agendas, as has been stated elsewhere, there's a mild possibility he might also play a part in dismantling what has happened within the industry.

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İlk olarak Mad Scientist tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak ghost tarafından gönderildi:

Greek? Wtf? I was happily surprised at first but you ruined it immediately. I'm now going to explain what I mean.

It is really simple. Two words. "free" and "speech". You know what free means. You know what speech means. Now put them together. That's how language works. This whole history lesson of yours is completely unnecessary.

Privately owned property recognizes the property holders right to not have to host an individual on their property and to make rules guests must follow or face consequences.

Just like how once you enter someones property or home, you cannot say or do as you like as a Guest. No one is owed being able to say or do as they like when it's private property.
Guests must follow the rules set by the property owner or face potential removal.

Amusingly, it's usually the people with numerous accounts utilized on the forums that refuse to follow the rules as a guest.

Why did you even reply to me? This is not a response to what I said. It seems like with this topic especially, you're just going to regurgitate your generic nonsense. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boring.

[76561199540158642]

this topic reflects how people mass agree without even experiencing the products. everyone knows that so and so's followers are all just click baiting agreement, personally i feel that so and so is a attention seeker, trying to stir the pot.

personally I can not agree with anyone who still has a WoW subscription after 15 years of the products failure to impress. Bioware made good games in the past and likely to make good games in the future.

Just because one silly person wants to try an trash talk it an have a legion of yes fans agree doesn't make any of it real, but rather further shows the issue of over-rated opinions that create misinformation because one person sparks a negative appeal.

instead of banning that guy they should most likely file lawsuits against him for defamation of products and loss of profit, if the product is found truthfully to be hot garbage then he can counter sue them, its a win / win for the legal system.

[cioran]

The NPC army is starting to assemble!

[Soren]

İlk olarak Golden Unicorn tarafından gönderildi:

instead of banning that guy they should most likely file lawsuits against him for defamation of products and loss of profit, if the product is found truthfully to be hot garbage then he can counter sue them, its a win / win for the legal system.

You can't file lawsuits for defamation over this sort of thing. It's just impractical, as well as probably wouldn't meet the definition of defamation (since there is different standards for different entities or products). It will also engender far more hatred towards you and your product too over just banning people.

On the flip side of the coin. Letting those people run rampant in your forums also trolls legitimate customers away and loses you money. So of course these people are going to be banned when they can't behave themselves. Real life stores work this way too. Customers get kicked out of Gamestop or Target when they cause a scene at a physical store location. Same concept really. I just don't think people have the critical thinking skills to understand that's basically what they're doing.

[Ben Lubar]

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İlk olarak Golden Unicorn tarafından gönderildi:

instead of banning that guy they should most likely file lawsuits against him for defamation of products and loss of profit, if the product is found truthfully to be hot garbage then he can counter sue them, its a win / win for the legal system.

You can't file lawsuits for defamation over this sort of thing. It's just impractical, as well as probably wouldn't meet the definition of defamation (since there is different standards for different entities or products). It will also engender far more hatred towards you and your product too over just banning people.

On the flip side of the coin. Letting those people run rampant in your forums also trolls legitimate customers away and loses you money. So of course these people are going to be banned when they can't behave themselves. Real life stores work this way too. Customers get kicked out of Gamestop or Target when they cause a scene at a physical store location. Same concept really. I just don't think people have the critical thinking skills to understand that's basically what they're doing.

Yep. It's a very simple calculation. "Do I want this person shouting at people who are buying my product?" If not, ask them to leave the store.

[Mewi]

"Those activists banned me for being a toxic activist with garbage right wing bigot positions that aren't actual issues I should care about, but I am going to spread fear of the other in favor of what the surface level propaganda has told me to say".

[cioran]

İlk olarak Mewi tarafından gönderildi:

"Those activists banned me for being a toxic activist with garbage right wing bigot positions that aren't actual issues I should care about, but I am going to spread fear of the other in favor of what the surface level propaganda has told me to say".

Oh, how I missed the personal insults. And nice try avoiding a potential ban by putting your own opinion in quotes, so you could be mistaken for a simple messenger in case things start to go south.

[Mad Scientist]

İlk olarak ghost tarafından gönderildi:

Why did you even reply to me? This is not a response to what I said. It seems like with this topic especially, you're just going to regurgitate your generic nonsense. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boring.

Some individuals need reminders that "free speech" doesn't mean one can do as they want or say/write as they want on other peoples properties. Every time someone tries to champion this, they often have rules for their own property, who can/can't be on their property or what they can/can't do on their own property, so that would in many instances display hypocrisy or "rules for thee only". Also since the whole "free speech" thing is literally designed to criticize government and gives no rights when someone is on another individuals privately owned property.

Places that have "free speech" often have rules/laws respecting private property and give the holders of that property defense rights over those that would enter, invade or otherwise trespass on their property. Trespassing can include actions/speech that is disruptive or unwelcome on private property, in which the owner has the right to request removal of troublemakers or have enforcement remove them, which in this case is Valves Moderation/Support team.

Those that constantly get hit on multiple accounts are an example that there are some that just want to trespass and shout/be a nuisance on others properties, and are displaying why property holders have rights to their own areas; Valve for the entirety of the forums and game hubs have the right to moderate their game hubs. Trouble making individuals will typically be shown the door, those that try evading consequences inevitably get hit. One user lost all of their accounts recently per their own admission for being a long-term nuisance; account locks on all of them. The next stage is legal consequences which is another right property owners have; taking legal action against those intending to harass, be a long term nuisance or otherwise violate the rights of the property holder or cause them lots of resources to be lost by being a continued nuisance.

Hence, can't do/say/write as you want on others property.
Anyone that disagrees with that has the option to delete their own account(s), but we know those with products wont do that, which is why troublemakers almost overwhelmingly use limited account alts to be a nuisance. Though they can take action on people doing that, as demonstrated earlier this year of the first individual to use & abuse alts who got a perm community restriction for doing do on their main account.

[Mewi]

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İlk olarak Mewi tarafından gönderildi:

"Those activists banned me for being a toxic activist with garbage right wing bigot positions that aren't actual issues I should care about, but I am going to spread fear of the other in favor of what the surface level propaganda has told me to say".

Oh, how I missed the personal insults. And nice try avoiding a potential ban by putting your own opinion in quotes, so you could be mistaken for a simple messenger in case things start to go south.

What insults. Was I talking to you? I don't think I was. Additionally, bigotry is the abuse~ pointing out bigotry, isn't a violation of the rules, the bigotry is.

Which reminds me, free speech "absolutists" have no end to their hypocrisy.

[cioran]

İlk olarak Mewi tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak cioran tarafından gönderildi:

Oh, how I missed the personal insults. And nice try avoiding a potential ban by putting your own opinion in quotes, so you could be mistaken for a simple messenger in case things start to go south.

What insults. Was I talking to you? I don't think I was. Additionally, bigotry is the abuse~ pointing out bigotry, isn't a violation of the rules, the bigotry is.

Which reminds me, free speech "absolutists" have no end to their hypocrisy.

I nowhere said you are talking to me, missing personal insults was referring to the act itself, of insulting others. Way to blow your cover...

And reread what you wrote, don't skip the actual insults and try to talk about only the bigotry part (here is the "juicy" part: you said, and I quote "being a toxic activist with garbage right wing bigot positions" is considered offensive and an actual insult for any normal person)

Again, thank you for making this easy for me/us.

[cioran]

İlk olarak AustrAlien2010 tarafından gönderildi:

Okay. You cannot post your opinion. It's settled then: No opinions on the forum.

You may only post something without having an opinion. Can you do that?

Of course you can, as long as you support or say only good things about the game/product.

Do differently and watch the magic happen!

[JamesF0790]

İlk olarak ghost tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak JamesF0790 tarafından gönderildi:

Nice try but no, it's not always about the constitution. The term in various languages dates back to ancient Greek. It's far older than America and it's quarter century. It has however always been about Government not restricting rights to speak in public, about people being able to complain about and to the government and the freedom of the press. The US was just forming at the right time and a peak of enlightenment ideas.

Greek? Wtf? I was happily surprised at first but you ruined it immediately. I'm now going to explain what I mean.

It is really simple. Two words. "free" and "speech". You know what free means. You know what speech means. Now put them together. That's how language works. This whole history lesson of yours is completely unnecessary.

It's really not that simple. The concept has certain meanings and it's not just being able to say whatever you want wherever you want. That's never what it's meant . Words together can have a deeper meaning then just the individual words. Free Trade doesn't mean no money is changed hands. Free speech outside of context means what? You aren't charged money for it?

You don't have the right to get in someone's face and scream at them for example. The freedom of speech that is so important is a people's right to question and hold accountable their government.

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İlk olarak AustrAlien2010 tarafından gönderildi:

Okay. You cannot post your opinion. It's settled then: No opinions on the forum.

You may only post something without having an opinion. Can you do that?

Of course you can, as long as you support or say only good things about the game/product.

Do differently and watch the magic happen!

No, not remotely what happened. You just can't go in stirring problems in someone's forum. There's vast difference between "I think this sucks in the game" and "This is bad and you're all going to get fired and I'm happy"

[cioran]

İlk olarak JamesF0790 tarafından gönderildi:

No, not remotely what happened. You just can't go in stirring problems in someone's forum. There's vast difference between "I think this sucks in the game" and "This is bad and you're all going to get fired and I'm happy"

Please take a look at the actual post I was banned for (post #183), then come back and tell me how this resembles your "This is bad and you're all going to get fired and I'm happy". I'll wait!

[Mewi]

İlk olarak cioran tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Mewi tarafından gönderildi:

What insults. Was I talking to you? I don't think I was. Additionally, bigotry is the abuse~ pointing out bigotry, isn't a violation of the rules, the bigotry is.

Which reminds me, free speech "absolutists" have no end to their hypocrisy.

I nowhere said you are talking to me, missing personal insults was referring to the act itself, of insulting others. Way to blow your cover...

And reread what you wrote, don't skip the actual insults and try to talk about only the bigotry part (here is the "juicy" part: you said, and I quote "being a toxic activist with garbage right wing bigot positions" is considered offensive and an actual insult for any normal person)

Again, thank you for making this easy for me/us.

The juicy part eh? I think what you are referencing is a clear definition of an individual's behavior. Not an insult. It was also not directed at any specific individual, although there are a few that would fall under this behavior. They know who they are. Virtue signal elsewhere please~

I also suspect that your account that you are posting on here is similar to a smurf account, so you can stir up anti LGBTQ nonsense here without real consequences.

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İlk olarak ghost tarafından gönderildi:

Greek? Wtf? I was happily surprised at first but you ruined it immediately. I'm now going to explain what I mean.

It is really simple. Two words. "free" and "speech". You know what free means. You know what speech means. Now put them together. That's how language works. This whole history lesson of yours is completely unnecessary.

It's really not that simple. The concept has certain meanings and it's not just being able to say whatever you want wherever you want. That's never what it's meant . Words together can have a deeper meaning then just the individual words. Free Trade doesn't mean no money is changed hands. Free speech outside of context means what? You aren't charged money for it?

You don't have the right to get in someone's face and scream at them for example. The freedom of speech that is so important is a people's right to question and hold accountable their government.

İlk olarak cioran tarafından gönderildi:

Of course you can, as long as you support or say only good things about the game/product.

Do differently and watch the magic happen!

No, not remotely what happened. You just can't go in stirring problems in someone's forum. There's vast difference between "I think this sucks in the game" and "This is bad and you're all going to get fired and I'm happy"

I wouldn't believe anything he says. He intentionally crops the conversation to make himself seem like he is in the right, but he doesn't show you everything else he said in that conversation that he was "wrongfully" banned for.

[cioran]

Mewi, I know that you are upset for being called out and highlighting the flaws of your argument so now you pretty much want to get back at anyone who made that happen.

You wrongly presume that people use "smurf accounts" to spread different opinions, that's not the case here.

And just for your knowledge, this isn't about LGBTQ per se, I would do this for any kind of movement that wants to force feed you with their agenda, be it left wing, right wing, I don't really care. As long as you act self entitled and have the "my way or the highway" mentality, I won't stay idle. If you want to be always privileged but don't care to compromise or give something back, I will always have a problem with that.