zero Jan 6, 2016 @ 5:39pm
Overview of Steam Store
40% Garbage made in Flash and being sold for cash thanks to Greenlight.
20% Awful mobile games that are hungry for your whole wallet.
10% Perverted visual "novels."
10% "Free to play" MMORPG garbage that shows how much video game design can sink.
10% Early access survival games.
10% Good games.
What in the world happened to Steam? When I look at the new releases page, all I'm seeing is bunch of garbage. Reviews don't help either. Some games have lower rating because of difficulty, some rated high because people think "memes" is a selling point.
Having BOTH, Early Access and Greenlight doesn't work for the customers. All we can get from this system is an unfinished or poorly designed product.
For gods sake, some guys are selling the rom of Bubsy games with an illegal emulator on Steam.

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Time changes everything, nuff said
DocShady Jan 6, 2016 @ 6:19pm 
Originally posted by Muh macht die Kuh 👍:
Time changes everything, nuff said

explain.
Originally posted by DocShady:
Originally posted by Muh macht die Kuh 👍:
Time changes everything, nuff said

explain.

:chat:
Utage Jan 6, 2016 @ 6:52pm 
Steam is less of a platform for big devs to sell their games now, instead it's more akin to a gigantic store where just about everything can be thrown in as long as a small community agrees it should be on Steam.

You can still get those AAA games from reputable devs, you just have to dig through the indie trash and abandoned Early Access games to find them.
Serell Jan 6, 2016 @ 7:44pm 
Didn't Gabe himself admit Greenlight was broken? I still haven't seen anything done to fix it...
Hanomaly Jan 6, 2016 @ 7:49pm 
i bet heaps of the money i've spent on Steam is on game types you've trashed.
Different people have different interests and i see no problem with Steam expanding the variety of games it offers for people to buy.

No one is forcing you to buy games you don't want. Just like no one is forcing you to buy off-brand or store-brand cereal instead of the expensive-elite stuff. If you want the elite stuff you can ignore the off-brand "crap" and buy the good stuff, no one is stopping you.

Probably less than 5% of the games i own are AAA games. i love all sorts of EAG i've bought, and indie games and stuff.

i dislike the "pervy visual novels" personally.. but i don't mind Steam Store selling them. Other people clearly like them. Just like i don't like AAA fps games, but doesn't mean i think Steam Store shouldn't stock these games, as clearly they are popular with other people. Just not me.
fluxtorrent Jan 6, 2016 @ 8:03pm 
I question the accuracy of those percentages.
Zzz Jan 6, 2016 @ 8:09pm 
nuce :steamhappy:
Originally posted by Ozzy:
40% Garbage made in Flash and being sold for cash thanks to Greenlight.
Game Maker would be more accurate. Flash is actually not used that much. That said, there's nothing inherently wrong with them. Some of them are pretty creatively implemented. Just because they don't appeal to you doesn't mean they're garbage.

And there were many similarly "simple" games on consoles and handhelds and PC throughout the ages. You just didn't see them as much.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
20% Awful mobile games that are hungry for your whole wallet.
If you get them on Steam, chances are they're generally pay-once versions, from what I've seen.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
10% Perverted visual "novels."
I dislike them as much as you do. However, there are some good VNs in the mix.

Unfortunately, people who hate VNs just like tar all of them with the same brush. I've seen the "Nudity" tag applied to VNs that have absolutely no nudity and are totally clean, thanks to the efforts of idiotic trolls.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
10% "Free to play" MMORPG garbage that shows how much video game design can sink.
Some people like MMOs with microtransactions. I'm not one of them, but these people exist.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
10% Early access survival games.
These trends come and go I've noticed. Right now it's open-world wilderness survival. Earlier it was open-world zombie survival.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
10% Good games.
Well, if you like these games, go buy them. Support them financially and tell your friends about them.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
What in the world happened to Steam? When I look at the new releases page, all I'm seeing is bunch of garbage.

What happened to Steam?

Well, here's what I experienced:

Steam in 2009:
80% FPS games that I have no interest in
20% other PC games that I don't know much about

Steam in 2011:
75% FPS games that I have no interest in
20% other PC games that I don't know much about
5% interesting indie games like Recettear and Terraria

Steam in 2015:
35% FPS games that I have no interest in
25% other traditionally PC genres like RTS, TBS, WRPG, action WRPGs, etc., which I have limited interest in
15% niche releases (indie and non-indie) that I'm interested in, such as 2D platformers, JRPGs, shmups, action JRPGs, etc.
10% various indie games that incorporate unusual concepts, some of which I might enjoy if I get some time to sit down with them
10% various "simpler" indie games that are usually various types of puzzle games, which aren't really my thing
10% MMORPGs that I don't care about

I don't know about you, but I'd rather take Steam in 2015 than Steam in 2009.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
Reviews don't help either. Some games have lower rating because of difficulty, some rated high because people think "memes" is a selling point.
Some people like memes in their games. I don't, but these people exist.

As for reviews, I suggest doing the following:
1. Don't try to give every game the time of day. You don't need to. Only look at those games that strike your fancy.
2. For those games that you actually think you're interested in, only read the negative reviews, and only read the long ones. The short ones tend to be useless. Read more than one review, so you can get a sense of what issues are commonly cited.
3. Ask yourself whether you care about those issues or not. If you don't, or if they're tolerable to you, add the game to your wishlist.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
For gods sake, some guys are selling the rom of Bubsy games with an illegal emulator on Steam.
If it's actually an illegal distribution, report the product. I know that a Bubsy game was released, but I don't know whether it is a legal distribution of said game, so I will refrain from judging this.

Originally posted by Hanomaly:
i bet heaps of the money i've spent on Steam is on game types you've trashed.
Different people have different interests and i see no problem with Steam expanding the variety of games it offers for people to buy.

No one is forcing you to buy games you don't want. Just like no one is forcing you to buy off-brand or store-brand cereal instead of the expensive-elite stuff. If you want the elite stuff you can ignore the off-brand "crap" and buy the good stuff, no one is stopping you.

Probably less than 5% of the games i own are AAA games. i love all sorts of EAG i've bought, and indie games and stuff.

i dislike the "pervy visual novels" personally.. but i don't mind Steam Store selling them. Other people clearly like them. Just like i don't like AAA fps games, but doesn't mean i think Steam Store shouldn't stock these games, as clearly they are popular with other people. Just not me.
This.

Most of my library is a variety of indie games.

I love 2D platformers. I rarely play FPS games, or full-3D (i.e. camera moves freely in at least two dimensions relative to the player-character) games in general actually. Partly because I don't have a computer that can run these games, partly because I don't really like playing them that much.
Last edited by Quint the Alligator Snapper; Jan 6, 2016 @ 8:25pm
Dogui Jan 6, 2016 @ 9:13pm 
"97,12% of all percentages on Steam forums are made-up" - Albert Einstein
Originally posted by Dogui:
"97,12% of all percentages on Steam forums are made-up" - Albert Einstein
Basically this.

If anything, I'm probably understating the number of random indie-style games on Steam in the "statistics" I wrote in my post.

However, the numbers I wrote were to give my impression of how much attention was paid to each type of game by the store. Not a simple count of how many games there are.

Because, clearly, there's far, far more buzz surrounding Fallout 4 than The Oil Blue.
tmwfte Jan 6, 2016 @ 9:33pm 
I love these "Remember when Steam was great and only had great games on them!" posts because they're usually patently wrong.

Especially since they always seem to conveniently forget that http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Strategy%20First was Valve's very first non-Valve published Steam distributed product.
fluxtorrent Jan 6, 2016 @ 9:51pm 
Originally posted by tmwfte:
I love these "Remember when Steam was great and only had great games on them!" posts because they're usually patently wrong.

Especially since they always seem to conveniently forget that http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Strategy%20First was Valve's very first non-Valve published Steam distributed product.
I literally lolled, thank you for that.
WhiteKnight77 Jan 6, 2016 @ 11:48pm 
Originally posted by Ozzy:
40% Garbage made in Flash and being sold for cash thanks to Greenlight.
20% Awful mobile games that are hungry for your whole wallet.
10% Perverted visual "novels."
10% "Free to play" MMORPG garbage that shows how much video game design can sink.
10% Early access survival games.
10% Good games.
What in the world happened to Steam? When I look at the new releases page, all I'm seeing is bunch of garbage. Reviews don't help either. Some games have lower rating because of difficulty, some rated high because people think "memes" is a selling point.
Having BOTH, Early Access and Greenlight doesn't work for the customers. All we can get from this system is an unfinished or poorly designed product.
For gods sake, some guys are selling the rom of Bubsy games with an illegal emulator on Steam.
Define good game.
Soraiah Jan 7, 2016 @ 12:50am 
Originally posted by Ozzy:
40% Garbage made in Flash and being sold for cash thanks to Greenlight.
Not all Greenlight Games are garbage an noone forces people to buy them. If I don't like something I just ignore it. And I've seen some interesting titeles here and there.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
20% Awful mobile games that are hungry for your whole wallet.
Again, I guess not all mobile ports are bad, and even if you don't like those games, you're free to ignore them, right?

Originally posted by Ozzy:
10% Perverted visual "novels."
Among those 10% are more than enough that are not 'perverted' and when people think that all VN's are hentai games, it kind of reminds me of the time when animes first got more popular. Back then, everyone that never cared to to actually watch animes, would say that all of them were either perverted or for little kids. Nowadays I hardly hear such stuff anymore.
I guess the same goes for VN's. Once they are popular enough, we'll see more of those good titles that actually tell a great story instead of stuff like those Sakura games...

Originally posted by Ozzy:
10% "Free to play" MMORPG garbage that shows how much video game design can sink.
Some like those games, others don't. I personally wouldn't mind seeing them disappear, but again, I can just ignore them. And the good thing is, that people tend to give a more proper feedback on Steam, than on the official forums.
There you'll find either the typical fanboys that LOVE their game, no matter what, or the haters (you know, those trolls that haven't played in ages but still hang around the forums just to tell other players how awful the game is).

Originally posted by Ozzy:
10% Early access survival games.
Nothing I would enjoy, 'cause I don't like survival games, but early access in general can be a pretty fun thing.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
10% Good games.
What is a 'good game'?
I would say, that there are more than 10%, but that really depends on personal taste.
I don't like FPS games, I'm not a fan of these super realistic graphics, most AAA titles just aren't my thing.
A few years ago, Steam just wasn't appealing for my gaming taste. I like classic adventures, older games, pixel and RPG Maker style. I sometimes enjoy these kinda useless games that help you kill time. And I like Visual Novels, though I skip the hentai titles.
I guess you and I would name very different titles when it comes to 'good games'.

Originally posted by Ozzy:
Having BOTH, Early Access and Greenlight doesn't work for the customers. All we can get from this system is an unfinished or poorly designed product.
I don't quite get the problem with having both... I ignore Greenlight most of the time,
but like I already said, Early Access can be fun. As long as the devs communicate with their players and aren't abandoning their product once enough early access copies have been sold, I prefer early access over 'finished' games that need tons of patches before one can properly play them.

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In my opinion, it's good that Steam offers a wide variety of games, so everyone can find something to enjoy.

If something catches my attention, I read the negative Feedback from those players that actually spend time in the game. So many games get bad reputations just because some people are not able to make them work properly and before even trying, they assume everyone else will have the same issues and give a negative feedback because of technical issues, not based on the actual game.
And there are always the relatively objective tests done by game mags.
If I still think the game might be good, no matter the bad feedback I've read, I'll most likely enjoy it.

And the most important thing is, that I skip the games I'm not interested in. Something everyone should do. There's no point in paying attention to things I don't even like.
Games, books, movies, sports... Opinions differ and that's a great thing. Not everything is for me, but someone else likes it and who am I to judge their taste, or wish for their favourite kind of games to disappear from a platform like Steam.
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