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No flash sales because all games have Flash Sale Price...
I'm amazed to see how many people is complaining about "No flash sales". And I don't know if are :devilskiss: or :devilskiss:

Let's see:

Chivalry Medieval Warfare: https://steamdb.info/app/219640/
Best historic price: -90% during flash sale on June.
Right now: -90%

Grand Theft Auto V: https://steamdb.info/app/271590/
Best historic price: -40% during flash sale on December and -40% during spring sale.
Right now: -40%

Rocket League: https://steamdb.info/app/252950/
Best historic price: -30% during spring sale.
Right now: -30%

Even Counter Strike which is always 25% off, but 50% during flash sales, is right now 50% off. Same for Bioshock Triple Pack.

Check any game you want, and you will see that almost all (all I have checked so far) have right now the best historic price, matching the flash sale price they had (if they were on flash sale).

I repeat:
All games (that I have checked) have right now the best historic price.

But some people seems to be saying "give me more expensive prices during the whole sale, and some few flash sales prices to make me feel happy"... Humanity.


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And shifting topic, I'm always a critic of steam sales, last year were those useless gems with epople trading his items for more gems that got bugged... chaos.

This year Valve made it extremely simple: All is at best price, no flash sales, no gems, no mini games, no nothing. Come here, get the game you want and best price during 12 days, and done. Simple, easy. :legitimacy:
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Is there aaany way to track these *hidden* sales?

Coyote30 の投稿を引用:
K.A.R.R. の投稿を引用:
And just to make things more difficult, 'daily deals' still happen - they're just unannounced and at the whim of the publisher!

THIS

It's one of the biggest problems of the new format as it completely undermines Valve's argument that prices remain constant over the duration of the sale. That's just not true and a lot of "special deals" are still happening, but hidden somewhere in the swamp of the sale whereas previously daily or flash deals at least pointed you to the games where prices had changed.
tmwfte 2015年12月24日 19時08分 
sonderkraftfahrzeug の投稿を引用:
Most people who were saving to purchase a game had an expectation of similar or better sales compared to last year.

Why? Who's creating that expectation? If you look at the boards, it seems like every year people are complaining that x product was cheaper y year.

The grocer analogy is wrong because those are perishable products that have to remade anew and farmer costs increase over time.

Still, regardless of whether it's a perishable item, do you go into other stores and scream at them when their sale price on anything is different week to week/year to year?
最近の変更はtmwfteが行いました; 2015年12月24日 19時08分
sonderkraftfahrzeug の投稿を引用:
Is there aaany way to track these *hidden* sales?


Isthereanydeal is a useful site. Link your wishlist to it and get notified of any change in price from any of the stores it tracks.
YoWutSup 2015年12月24日 20時12分 
K.A.R.R. の投稿を引用:
Sanctum 2 - 75% off... lowest recorded 85%

Deadfall Adventures - 75% off... lowest recorded 90%

Back to the Future the Game - last years flash sale 80%.. currently 75% off

Empire Total War... 75% off... lowest recorded 90%

Antichamber... 75% off... lowest recorded 90%

Mirrors Edge 75% off... lowest recorded 80%

Rise of Venice 75% off... lowest recorded 85%

The swapper 60% off... lowest recorded 80% off

Ghostbusters 50% off... it WAS 80% on the last sale

Even Counter Strike which is always 25% off, but 50% during flash sales, is right now 50% off.

Counter Strike : GO is currently 50% off... last years flash sale it was 82% off.


Plants vs Zombies on the front page is the same 50% as the last sale, but has been 78% off since then!

Natural Selection II - again on the front page at 50% off.... last sale NORMAL price was 75% off.. the flash sale was 85% off.

A LOT of games have found a 'middle ground'. Not the full flash sale discount, but maybe higher than the regular sale price.

And just to make things more difficult, 'daily deals' still happen - they're just unannounced and at the whim of the publisher!



Just Cause 2 .. was 75% on day 1 of the sale. Day 2 its 85% off

South Park .. not on sale at the start, now 75% off... and this only lasts for TWO more days

Rocksmith not on sale at the start and is on sale ONLY for 3 more days

Rainbow 6 was discounted four hours ago and is on sale for ONLY 4 more days

Well, that settles this debate.
Coyote30 2015年12月24日 21時35分 
moistly harmless の投稿を引用:
sonderkraftfahrzeug の投稿を引用:
Is there aaany way to track these *hidden* sales?


Isthereanydeal is a useful site. Link your wishlist to it and get notified of any change in price from any of the stores it tracks.

With the big name publishers it's usually the case that the game is only discounted once it was promoted on the main page, for example look for far cry 4 to be discounted once it was there, but probably only 50% as it was during the autumn sale. And those deals normally don't last until the end of the sale. Sites like isthereanydeal or steamdb.info are indeed very useful.
Valve and the publishers gave us this expectation after doing it for years. There is an expectation that skyrim is going to be 5$ because that is how it always has been. And when its not, people take notice. The winter sale was always about the best prices to be found during flash sales or daily deals, you wont be able to go around that.

In terms of physical goods I will certainly be unhappy about prices being higher than before if they have been brought down many times for an event but not this time. But that rarely happens because we do we do not track every sale at such stores unlike steam prices and also physical games get cheaper with time as stores clear space for new stock. All you need to do to see I am right is to check the bargain/clearance bins.

I am sorry you cant get around the fact that sale prices have risen. I know it doesnt feel good, but its a fact. I dont know what valve and publishers will do next year but this year I went to other sites for most of my purchases.

tmwfte の投稿を引用:
sonderkraftfahrzeug の投稿を引用:
Most people who were saving to purchase a game had an expectation of similar or better sales compared to last year.

Why? Who's creating that expectation? If you look at the boards, it seems like every year people are complaining that x product was cheaper y year.

The grocer analogy is wrong because those are perishable products that have to remade anew and farmer costs increase over time.

Still, regardless of whether it's a perishable item, do you go into other stores and scream at them when their sale price on anything is different week to week/year to year?
tmwfte 2015年12月24日 22時10分 
sonderkraftfahrzeug の投稿を引用:
Valve and the publishers gave us this expectation after doing it for years. There is an expectation that skyrim is going to be 5$ because that is how it always has been. And when its not, people take notice. The winter sale was always about the best prices to be found during flash sales or daily deals, you wont be able to go around that.

Except Skyrim hasn't always been $5. It's been more common to see it at 66% off, with its DLC showing lesser discounts. The winter sale has also not always been the best price for all products always. You need only look at the Jade Empire troll from a couple years back. Obscure and its sequel going on sale for one Halloween sale, never to see a sale again. Or some publishers changing their approach to discounting DLC. While there are some patterns with some publishers, when you actually look at it in practice, there really should be no expectation for consistency. That sort of thing has been created solely in the mind of some consumers.

In terms of physical goods I will certainly be unhappy about prices being higher than before if they have been brought down many times for an event but not this time. But that rarely happens because we do we do not track every sale at such stores unlike steam prices and also physical games get cheaper with time as stores clear space for new stock. All you need to do to see I am right is to check the bargain/clearance bins.

And you dodge it again, coming up with even more excuses. I can clearly see that the answer is no, you don't go into other stores to yell at them when sales aren't the same as previous weeks/years. Is it really that hard to say that you don't show this kind of behaviour in other stores? You keep dodging the question.

I am sorry you cant get around the fact that sale prices have risen. I know it doesnt feel good, but its a fact.

Some have. Some haven't. That is a fact. That you choose to only complain about the ones that have says much more about you. Of course you should shop around, you would be an idiot if you didn't, but when it comes to an expectation that you somehow deserve the lowest prices on Steam during the winter sale is an undue expectation that you (and others) have built up on your own (and complain about every year anyway).

If you look at the boards, every sale is the worst sale in history, every sale was better than last year, every sale has better discounts on site x, y, and z, every sale has people claiming that they're "done with Steam".

The only thing that is consistent is that people will complain about everything.
Shotgun 2015年12月24日 22時14分 
OP cherry-picked his data.
People keep forgetting that sales are about buyinggames, nut checking store hundred times.
Check once a day to see new discounts, that's also more fair for everyone.

The only thing I miss is community vote. That was really cool, I actually discovered some of the stuff only because of community vote (even though my item lost I still bought it)
最近の変更は僕の名前 (仮)が行いました; 2015年12月25日 3時01分
Icewind Dale EE and Bladurs Gate 1&2 EE are 40% off, they are also 40% off at Bundlestars. However Bundlestars had a 24 hour 66% off sale. They have also done this with other games, which suggests to me that publishers don't want to put huge discounts on games for extended periods.
tmwfte の投稿を引用:

In terms of physical goods I will certainly be unhappy about prices being higher than before if they have been brought down many times for an event but not this time. But that rarely happens because we do we do not track every sale at such stores unlike steam prices and also physical games get cheaper with time as stores clear space for new stock. All you need to do to see I am right is to check the bargain/clearance bins.

And you dodge it again, coming up with even more excuses. I can clearly see that the answer is no, you don't go into other stores to yell at them when sales aren't the same as previous weeks/years. Is it really that hard to say that you don't show this kind of behaviour in other stores? You keep dodging the question.

Most people don't bother with complaining. They just find a new store with more consistent cheaper prices and vote with their wallet, so the argument is superfluous and the analogy is disingenuous.

With that said, if the item I'm looking for is on sale at that point in time from another store for a better price, you're damn right I'm going to make a complaint. Why? because just about every store out there claims to have the lowest prices, and further promises to match or exceed the lowest price of their competitor.

You're complaining about the other guy dodging your question, but you conveniently made an analogy that dodges a few very important details that undermine your own argument quite nicely. ;)
tmwfte 2015年12月25日 7時52分 
datguy13 の投稿を引用:
Most people don't bother with complaining. They just find a new store with more consistent cheaper prices and vote with their wallet, so the argument is superfluous and the analogy is disingenuous.

What's that? Most people don't set up camp in the store that they're unhappy with, instead moving on to elsewhere?

Thank you for making my point.
Crusader Kings II often goes for 75-85% off during flash sales. This time it's 50% off and the latest expansion which would have gone on sale if there was a flash sale isn't on sale at all.

Assassin's Creed is usually discounted at 75% off. This year it's not and some of the games aren't even on sale. Ubisoft has a better sale on some of the AC games than Steam does.

I'm now watching other sites for deals rather than Steam since I've seen them go cheaper already. The latest Crusader Kings II expansion (Horse Lords) is on sale for 50% off on some sites but not here for example. Since many sites have Steam keys, no sense to just stick to Steam anymore, especially if the discounts won't be as deep as they were in the past.

Used to look forward to these sales every year. Now ... not so much. Only reason I'm keeping up with it now is to just sell the cards. Might make a dollar by the end of the sale from selling them if I get lucky. Guess I won't have much reason to look forward to the summer sale, either. Seems to be cheaper to wait for the smaller sales throughout the year than it does to pounce on the big sales.
tmwfte の投稿を引用:

What's that? Most people don't set up camp in the store that they're unhappy with, instead moving on to elsewhere?

Thank you for making my point.

No. Your "point" amounted to 'suck it up and deal'. I made a more effective suggestion.
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