Geforce NOW and behavoiur of the store and being able to play on Steam

[Manziflex]

I think Steam and Nvidia needs to review a bit their agreements. At the moment if i buy on Steam and the game is avaible on Nvidia Geforce NOW...not always the game is avaible to play.
I mean i bought it on Steam and i want to play it right?
I cant play it on GeforceNOW cuz is avaible only on another store..
Consequence? I ask for a refund on Steam. Please if i buy a game on Steam lemme play on your store not on another

[Manziflex]

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I dont like cloud gaming and i prefer spend a lot of money on useless HW. That was your answer.
I dont agree..and i wave you
Cya

I mean, you're the one that keeps coming back.

Cloud gaming fails for a few reasons. Too expensive to run as Google found out, couldn't get licenses for games since developers got so little money selling on it. Only reason Nvidia does it, is they use spare servers from their work computing hardware where they charge way more. And they aren't the supplier of the games so no need to worry over licenses.

Now, is it good for those who cannot afford PC gaming? Perhaps. If they have high bandwidth to counter the already bad latency. Is it a better experience than a mid ranged PC? Sadly no.

Oh well lets only rich people play games and dont give a damn...BB

[Manziflex]

Ok GFN is a failure...you happy now?
And its not the future...keep engireeing PC that cost much then 1000€$ an entire month of an employee for just gaming, is the smart thing in the world

Now i understand why Stadia did just simply ragequitted the question and sold their servers to third parties..

[IFIYGD]

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[Google Stadia crawls out of the grave and stumbles into chat...]

I dont like cloud gaming and i prefer spend a lot of money on useless HW. That was your answer.
I dont agree..and i wave you
Cya

LOL. Shw me where I said I don't like Cloud Gaming?
I'll wait.

Unreliable connectivity is the main reason I can't get behind Cloud Gaming.

I can afford a decent PC. In fact I need one for what I do for work.

My home is powered 100% by solar and battery backup- even in the worst storms, we have power.

But we have zero control over internet and phone connectivity, live in a rural area with pitiful wifi and cell signal availability, and even a strong wind knocks out our phone and internet on a regular basis. An actual storm? Internet may be out for hours or days.

But I can play my Steam games using the client in offline mode, or play the DRM-free ones without ever needing to launch the client.

It's not that I don't like Cloud gaming, it's that it isn't something that works for me and for many other people in areas with crappy internet. Not even a latency thing- purely an "Internet dead again" thing.

[Komarimaru]

Gaming is a hobby you have to invest money in, shocker. I think nearly all hobbies that exist require some form of investment.

It's not a rich person hobby, it's a fiscally responsible persons hobby too.

If you enjoy an experience that's not optimal, that's fine. I prefer my high refresh rate, high FPS, low latency experience. I also like being able to play more than a few games.

[Manziflex]

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Gaming is a hobby you have to invest money in, shocker. I think nearly all hobbies that exist require some form of investment.

It's not a rich person hobby, it's a fiscally responsible persons hobby too.

If you enjoy an experience that's not optimal, that's fine. I prefer my high refresh rate, high FPS, low latency experience. I also like being able to play more than a few games.

Sorry but im fine on FTTC and my 5G works worst then FTTC on geforce now.
And i have low latency,high FPS,and a 60fps+..
You are saying this, cuz you want to only rich people to play VGs...and i understand somehow.

Because if i was rich..i will only me to play VGs muahhahah (sarcasm..)

[Komarimaru]

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Gaming is a hobby you have to invest money in, shocker. I think nearly all hobbies that exist require some form of investment.

It's not a rich person hobby, it's a fiscally responsible persons hobby too.

If you enjoy an experience that's not optimal, that's fine. I prefer my high refresh rate, high FPS, low latency experience. I also like being able to play more than a few games.

Sorry but im fine on FTTC and my 5G works worst then FTTC on geforce now.
And i have low latency,high FPS,and a 60fps+..
You are saying this, cuz you want to only rich people to play VGs...and i understand somehow.

Because if i was rich..i will only me to play VGs muahhahah (sarcasm..)

You in fact, do not have low latency. You may think you do, but you do not. I'm quite literally next to a GeForce NOW server, when tested the servers in 2020 when they did offer every game, and later in 2023. The latency is horrible.

May be fine for some slow paced games, but when I press a button, I expect the ability to happen as I press it.

And directly from Nvidia.

Internet Requirements

15 Mbps for HD resolutions at up to 60 FPS (e.g. 1280x720)
25 Mbps for FHD resolutions at 60 FPS (e.g. 1920x1080)
35 Mbps for UW QHD & QHD resolutions at 120 FPS (e.g. 3840x1440 or 2560x1440)
45 Mbps for 4K resolutions at 120 FPS (e.g. 3840x2160)

We recommend a hardwired Ethernet connection, or a router with a 5 GHz WiFi connection. We also require less than 80ms of network latency from an NVIDIA data center. Please read this knowledge base article on how to test your network.

A GeForce NOW Ultimate membership is required for features like 4K/QHD resolutions, HDR, AV1, Cloud G-SYNC, and 120/240 FPS streaming on the native Windows PC app. Please read this knowledge base article for more information and hardware requirements.

And I get 14ms to their servers. That's 14ms more by default, and I've a gigabit connection and hardwired device. That's not taking into account the ms impact of streaming afterwords.

It just compounds and gets worse the higher resolution and FPS used.

So, you can lie to yourself, but some of us know better.

[Manziflex]

I say that this kind of attitude is not a help for companies (Obviously Google sold the patent to third parties... because it didn't want to have anything to do with gamers), it doesn't help the market (A new service that is the future, overshadowed by pseudo interests and techno-waste, which in some areas of the world remain a scandal, it doesn't help those who are poor and face your world that can't do anything but mistreat you like rich ignoramuses and leave you aside from the real world, it doesn't help multinationals that have obligations towards those who buy cloud gaming and always find themselves buried by corruption. I thank you... I'm sorry that this conversation doesn't bring GFN or Steam to a conclusion... and I will continue to play Diablo and WoW... as does the entire population exhausted by your way of taking advantage of it

[Komarimaru]

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I say that this kind of attitude is not a help for companies (Obviously Google sold the patent to third parties... because it didn't want to have anything to do with gamers), it doesn't help the market (A new service that is the future, overshadowed by pseudo interests and techno-waste, which in some areas of the world remain a scandal, it doesn't help those who are poor and face your world that can't do anything but mistreat you like rich ignoramuses and leave you aside from the real world, it doesn't help multinationals that have obligations towards those who buy cloud gaming and always find themselves buried by corruption. I thank you... I'm sorry that this conversation doesn't bring GFN or Steam to a conclusion... and I will continue to play Diablo and WoW... as does the entire population exhausted by your way of taking advantage of it

1. Google didn't sell anything. They closed the project entirely since no profit at all. GFN existed long before Stadia lol

2. Being poor doesn't matter. I've many friends that are "Poor" who make smart choices in buying hardware so it lasts a while. Instead of buying cheap Intel i3's or crappy GTX 710 or GTX 1050 GPU's, they fork out for near high end to mid high end hardware. Called saving money.

3. GFN as stated, needs publishers permissions to have the game on there. Ask the publisher. Hundreds of publishers demanded that Nvidia remove them from the service, so it was done when beta ended due to legal reasons.

4. Quit thinking everyone is rich other than you just because they enjoy a smoother and better experience. Enjoy your experience, but don't try and tell others it's better or just as good as real hardware, since factually not true.

[Manziflex]

I'm just sorry that a beautiful and intelligent patent like that of Crytek and Google... is thrown away by many due to too many obstacles. A pearl of computer engineering thrown in the BIN... due to too many conflicts of interest and an immature attitude of customers

[Manziflex]

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4. Quit thinking everyone is rich other than you just because they enjoy a smoother and better experience. Enjoy your experience, but don't try and tell others it's better or just as good as real hardware, since factually not true.

Played Hellblade smooth,more then 80 FPS on a FTTC and 4G.
Played Halo Infinte in 100 FPS 1080p when listening to music and watching youtube...
Stop lying plz..

[Komarimaru]

Huh? Crytek is fine. They aren't owned by Google lol They are the developers of the Crytek Engine...

[Komarimaru]

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4. Quit thinking everyone is rich other than you just because they enjoy a smoother and better experience. Enjoy your experience, but don't try and tell others it's better or just as good as real hardware, since factually not true.

Played Hellblade smooth,more then 80 FPS on a FTTC and 4G.
Played Halo Infinte in 100 FPS 1080p when listening to music and watching youtube...
Stop lying plz..

Ya, and at high latency, quit lying yourself. And you're no where near a good GFN server, I can promise you that.

FPS does not equal latency. While higher FPS will lower internal latency, you're dealing with Streaming Latency lol

Wow... you seem to know nothing on the topic at all..

[Manziflex]

This topic is completely out of context...i was complaining about stores and access to games.

I found GFN good for me...if you dont y bother me?

And yes im a noob and you know everything...tsk..

[Tito Shivan]

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We figured thats a GFN issue and choice after all,not a Steam decision.

As said before it's neither. It was a developer choice. Several of the Steam games that cannot be played through GFN could be played in its early days. But sice the devs also had those games for sale on GFN they restricted the ability to be played from Steam.

Sort of like how they make to repurchase your game on GOG despite you already owning it on Steam.

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I dont like cloud gaming and i prefer spend a lot of money on useless HW. That was your answer.
I dont agree..and i wave you

He means cloud gaming still has a long road ahead. Stadia wasn't the first and won't be the last to try and fail. Before it there was OnLive, which IIRC had an ever shorter lifespan than Stadia.

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Played Hellblade smooth,more then 80 FPS on a FTTC and 4G.
Played Halo Infinte in 100 FPS 1080p when listening to music and watching youtube...
Stop lying plz..

We live in a world where download limits and latency issues still are relatively common. Cloud gaming has still some hurdles to overcome (And some aren't even on their hand to solve)

[IFIYGD]

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She means cloud gaming still has a long road ahead. Stadia wasn't the first and won't be the last to try and fail. Before it there was OnLive, which IIRC had an ever shorter lifespan than Stadia.

Fixed that for you Tito- never assume everyone on the forums is a "He/him". (Gentle reminder- I know you meant no insult or harm.)
And yes, that was the meaning behind the original half-joke about Stadia. Not that Cloud Gaming is inherently bad, but that it is a baby still, with a lot of growing to do, and a lot of "early tech" limitations to overcome and solve before it becomes mainstream and widely accepted and used.