Valve killing PC gaming :(

[Ypulse]

They tried in 2015 with steam machine to make steam more popular, but they failed. They didnt understand why. Oh well they did. They realised to get more players they need to call from other platforms, yes consoles. Thats why the steam controller existed. However the machine and the OS wasnt good enough, that time. Now these problems are fixed and console gaming on steam has entered a golden era.

I am sick of the console games on steam. The last 10-15 yrs is a disaster in AAA gaming. Its a story of how pc gaming got worse in favor of consoles. The only saving grace steam has are the indie games, some dev still do proper pc games, but became a minority. Not much games to play with, other than indie or old games from the past.

And when we have this crisis, valve creates steamdeck...which i kinda like, but its not PC gaming and it is not something i would expect from a company having a platform about PC gaming.
I dont think steam did the right thing, this is the worst nightmare come true.

They should have created a laptop with steam OS.

EDIT:
I see there is a bigger problem and confusion than i thought. So i have to add this:
PC gaming=keyboard+mouse. Hardware and OS is almost irrelevant.

It is also ridiculous that agressive commenters, try to say i am the one who "attacks them", when in reality all i "asked", that do not force me to play like you do with your console game and controller, or do not force crossplatform mp on me. You can play any game you want with your controller, just make sure you stay there. I am pc gamer, i know the difference, i dont consider myself an elitist, i do play on consoles, or i do use controller sometimes, but very rare and game specific. I am the one who got less option to play with, not the ones who are happy with these trends and trolling the forums saying i dont allow them to play games lol.

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por Kiryn:

Publicado originalmente por Paratech2008:

Um then video games that use controllers are not "PC" games? Sports games, RPG games, Action/Adventure games, what other than FPS games is best with keyboard and mouse?

Not that I'm supporting the OP (or similar arguments) at all, but. . .

There's different kinds of RPGs for one - console RPGs (JRPGs, certain ARPGs) are better with controllers, but CRPGs and Diablo-likes are better with M+K (and then there's FPS-like RPGs, which are obviously better with m+k. Like the Bethesda stuff).
And then there's strategy games, RTS's, 4X. . . there's *lots* of games & genres besides FPS that are good/better with m+k.

Whart a game is better with depends a lot on whatthe game was initially designed around.
DIablo 2 was designed around m+k so plays well. D3 on the other hand seems to have been designed more towards consoles and so it plays as well with controllers as it does with m+k, and then you have a game like X-Men Legends 2 that was designed in such away that it's a nightmare to control nno matter what you're using.

[d@v3]

Publicado originalmente por Ypulse:

PC gaming=keyboard+mouse.

gravis pc gamepad: am i a joke to you?

[Ferox_Stormdragon]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/collections/pcgamingcontrollers
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/store/collections/pcgamingaccessories

even microsoft disagrees with you

[Ypulse]

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Publicado originalmente por Kiryn:

Not that I'm supporting the OP (or similar arguments) at all, but. . .

There's different kinds of RPGs for one - console RPGs (JRPGs, certain ARPGs) are better with controllers, but CRPGs and Diablo-likes are better with M+K (and then there's FPS-like RPGs, which are obviously better with m+k. Like the Bethesda stuff).
And then there's strategy games, RTS's, 4X. . . there's *lots* of games & genres besides FPS that are good/better with m+k.

Whart a game is better with depends a lot on whatthe game was initially designed around.
DIablo 2 was designed around m+k so plays well. D3 on the other hand seems to have been designed more towards consoles and so it plays as well with controllers as it does with m+k, and then you have a game like X-Men Legends 2 that was designed in such away that it's a nightmare to control nno matter what you're using.

Yes, and this is exactly the problem. It is not separated market/platform as is used to be. They merged it and they do only console game design. Game brands that were pc exclusive became console games. So how i am a gate keeper i dont know. I am not the one who destroyed the others joy. Others could have a console game, i could have a pc game, but no, someone wanted console game only and everyone has to play that, without any other option. Even after the merging process this could have been easily done without killing pc games, but there are allways enough hateful controller fanboys that will defend this evil practice. Even the days of exclusive games/platform were better, since i could just buy something, if i wanted to play a pc or console game and i got the experience which i paid for. On pc in the past i didnt had problem with console games on pc, since if i wanted to play one i just plugged in my controller, if it was on pc at all and there was no technical problems. The problem was that sony/microsoft were gatekeeping games (which still happens for no technical reason), but even that i could solve it by buying their console...Today? I cant do that, there is the same crap everywhere for very long time.

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por Ypulse:

So how i am a gate keeper i dont know.

You want to limit others and the industry based on personal arbitrary reasons. That's gatekeeping.

PC gaming is fine. Your narrowminded view is not relevant to PC Gaming.

[Tito Shivan]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

That was a great idea, but at the wrong time (the steam machines). I think it would work out much better today.

I don't know why people still consider Valve though the 'Steam machines' were even an idea.

It wasn't an idea, Valve was entertaining a thought and related to that thought they made a collaboration with Alienware to advertise come hardware. There never was nothing more than just a collab.

The Steam link was an actual idea. The Steam deck, The Steam controller, The VIVE, INDEX, SteamOS, Proton... Those were actual ideas.

The Steam Machines were an advertisement campaign.

Publicado originalmente por Ferox_Stormdragon:

PC gaming=keyboard+mouse. Hardware and OS is almost irrelevant.

This is 100% false, peripherals such as gamepads and joysticks have been a thing in pc gaming since the gameport and serial port days in the 80s, soundcards had a dedicated port (gameport) for these peripherals until the introduction of usb, in fact i still have an old gameport joystick in a box in the cupboard, alongside all the long obsolete cables and cards.

The only actual difference between PC and console gaming these days is who controls the hardware you play on.

[Ypulse]

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Publicado originalmente por Ypulse:

So how i am a gate keeper i dont know.

You want to limit others and the industry based on personal arbitrary reasons. That's gatekeeping.

I dont want to limit others. If anything, I want to free myself from limitation. I want the option i had in the past. This is not gatekeeping. Your comment is gatekeeping however.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por Ypulse:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

You want to limit others and the industry based on personal arbitrary reasons. That's gatekeeping.

I dont want to limit others. If anything, I want to free myself from limitation. I want the option i had in the past. This is not gatekeeping. Your comment is gatekeeping however.

They aren't.

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

That was a great idea, but at the wrong time (the steam machines). I think it would work out much better today.

I don't know why people still consider Valve though the 'Steam machines' were even an idea.

It wasn't an idea, Valve was entertaining a thought and related to that thought they made a collaboration with Alienware to advertise come hardware. There never was nothing more than just a collab.

Well i think a big issue back then, is many were trying the idea, and did know what to actually choose. You had machines with just the Steam OS, you had others like i bought with a Win 10 desktop and Steam OS. Some were very expensive, some the price of a console.

Again, if back then, they had most all the games could be played with a controller with their Steam interface, i would have kept it.

But back then, there was none, and can only play say like a set number of games that can be played with a controller.

Given Steams success with the Steam Deck, it shows they can likely be successful with a gaming console. Though rumors are swirling, it may actually be Xbox on their new machine, that will give us access to all of these different things.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

I don't know why people still consider Valve though the 'Steam machines' were even an idea.

It wasn't an idea, Valve was entertaining a thought and related to that thought they made a collaboration with Alienware to advertise come hardware. There never was nothing more than just a collab.

Well i think a big issue back then, is many were trying the idea, and did know what to actually choose. You had machines with just the Steam OS, you had others like i bought with a Win 10 desktop and Steam OS. Some were very expensive, some the price of a console.

Again, if back then, they had most all the games could be played with a controller with their Steam interface, i would have kept it.

But back then, there was none, and can only play say like a set number of games that can be played with a controller.

Given Steams success with the Steam Deck, it shows they can likely be successful with a gaming console. Though rumors are swirling, it may actually be Xbox on their new machine, that will give us access to all of these different things.

SteamOS wasn't done by the release of the Steam Machine. Hence why it wasn't on it.

Those 'runors' about Xbox have no validity. Unless Microsoft suddenly drops Windows and Switches to Linux on their next console.

Which won't happen.

[xBCxRangers]

Publicado originalmente por Boblin the Goblin:

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Well i think a big issue back then, is many were trying the idea, and did know what to actually choose. You had machines with just the Steam OS, you had others like i bought with a Win 10 desktop and Steam OS. Some were very expensive, some the price of a console.

Again, if back then, they had most all the games could be played with a controller with their Steam interface, i would have kept it.

But back then, there was none, and can only play say like a set number of games that can be played with a controller.

Given Steams success with the Steam Deck, it shows they can likely be successful with a gaming console. Though rumors are swirling, it may actually be Xbox on their new machine, that will give us access to all of these different things.

SteamOS wasn't done by the release of the Steam Machine. Hence why it wasn't on it.

Those 'runors' about Xbox have no validity. Unless Microsoft suddenly drops Windows and Switches to Linux on their next console.

Which won't happen.

Steam OS was on it. I know being i had it. Maybe they called it another name, "Steam Desktop" maybe.

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por Ypulse:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

You want to limit others and the industry based on personal arbitrary reasons. That's gatekeeping.

I dont want to limit others. If anything, I want to free myself from limitation. I want the option i had in the past. This is not gatekeeping. Your comment is gatekeeping however.

You want a more narrowminded industry, so you're gatekeeping.

You have to keep in mind that you're perhaps simply not part of the main demographic anymore for certain games. Which is fine. The gaming world doesn't revolve around you, nor has to cater specifically to you.

You're free to buy and play the games that have the input device options you like. Your preference, however, isn't the compelling reason for game devs to do things otherwise if they're not interested in it.

[Ypulse]

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Publicado originalmente por Ypulse:

I dont want to limit others. If anything, I want to free myself from limitation. I want the option i had in the past. This is not gatekeeping. Your comment is gatekeeping however.

You want a more narrowminded industry, so you're gatekeeping.

You have to keep in mind that you're perhaps simply not part of the main demographic anymore for certain games. Which is fine. The gaming world doesn't revolve around you, nor has to cater specifically to you.

You're free to buy and play the games that have the input device options you like. Your preference, however, isn't the compelling reason for game devs to do things otherwise if they're not interested in it.

Maybe your comments could be relevant, if is not full of lies. Also learn how to speak for yourself.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Publicado originalmente por xBCxRangers:

Publicado originalmente por Boblin the Goblin:

SteamOS wasn't done by the release of the Steam Machine. Hence why it wasn't on it.

Those 'runors' about Xbox have no validity. Unless Microsoft suddenly drops Windows and Switches to Linux on their next console.

Which won't happen.

Steam OS was on it. I know being i had it. Maybe they called it another name, "Steam Desktop" maybe.

They were on them at release. It came later.

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por Ypulse:

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

You want a more narrowminded industry, so you're gatekeeping.

You have to keep in mind that you're perhaps simply not part of the main demographic anymore for certain games. Which is fine. The gaming world doesn't revolve around you, nor has to cater specifically to you.

You're free to buy and play the games that have the input device options you like. Your preference, however, isn't the compelling reason for game devs to do things otherwise if they're not interested in it.

Maybe your comments could be relevant, if is not full of lies. Also learn how to speak for yourself.

None of it is lies. It's quite ironic that *you* want to accuse others of lies when the whole premise of the thread is build on a lie. PC Gaming is not just KB+M and since that's your premise, you're basing it off a lie.