EU citizen's initiative to stop killing games

[Nathan]

Ownership can still be saved outside the US, we just have to get signatures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMe9MxxZiI

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/eci
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#

"Giant FAQ on The European Initiative to Stop Destroying Games!" (41min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVBiN5SKuA

[Yujah]

Originally posted by RiO:

Seems to me that that poster has issues seeing the legislation itself; and intentional malicious compliance with said legislation by corporations, as two separate things.

Ah, yes, that's the proper terminology. And put otherwise then, "that poster" having fallen hook, line and sinker for it.

[Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452]

Originally posted by Nathan:

Ownership can still be saved outside the US, we just have to get signatures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMe9MxxZiI

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/eci
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#

"Giant FAQ on The European Initiative to Stop Destroying Games!" (41min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVBiN5SKuA

Good thread, good idea

[Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452]

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Originally posted by RiO:

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Oh, so it's just the tribalist stuff again.

That's unfortunate.

Why are you constantly on these threads? You're a troll and need to leave.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Public forums. If responses weren't wanted from anyone who views it then it should've been posted in a group.

[GGcake]

remember to go sign

[Ben Lubar]

I see five possible outcomes:

1. The petition fails to get enough signatures and nothing happens.
   
2. The petition gets enough signatures, but the EU just gives a vague non-answer and nothing happens.
   
3. There are laws passed as a result of this that essentially just say "it's illegal to scam people" which is already what the law says so nothing happens.
   
4. The actual example given on the Stop Killing Videogames website becomes illegal. That is, even if an online buy-to-play game has clearly laid out that it will not last forever in its EULA, that's not considered enough and we get something very similar to those annoying cookie pop-ups across every multiplayer game. Overall, other than adding an annoyace, nothing happens.
   
5. Multiplayer games become actually illegal to discontinue in Europe, regardless of reason. Every centralized multiplayer game geoblocks the entire continent because the alternative is potentially unlimited cost to the game developer. It's done in an intentionally lax way so players can get around it with a VPN because then technically the player is the one breaking the rule and no government is going to go after an individual player. Basically, Europe gets the same status for online gaming that China has. And China's doing... well, pretty okay gaming-wise. So nothing happens. But in a very complicated way.

[ThorN]

That's a lotta ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Yujah]

Well -- you can't realistically discount 2 as a possibility at least. Wouldn't be the first time...

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Yujah:

Well -- you can't realistically discount 2 as a possibility at least. Wouldn't be the first time...

That is the most likely scenario if it does get enough signatures.

[ThorN]

Originally posted by Yujah:

Well -- you can't realistically discount 2 as a possibility at least. Wouldn't be the first time...

Yeah but those are obviously not the only five possible outcomes (or likely outcomes) if most of them are even possible at all. Dunno why there's so many trolls here but it's obnoxious as ♥♥♥♥

[Wolfpig]

Originally posted by Ben Lubar:

• The petition gets enough signatures, but the EU just gives a vague non-answer and nothing happens.

That would be the most likely outcome.......everyone who lives in the eu, knows that they have decided to stop doing winter/summer time years ago.......and still have not set that really into action.
The official stance is that the EU Countries can not "decide" which time to keep.......aka, it will never happen, and they said it only because it was a positive thing back then.

[Volfogg]

Does it actually matter if games end up getting "killed" or not? Surely life will go on without those games?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Wolfpig:

Originally posted by Ben Lubar:

• The petition gets enough signatures, but the EU just gives a vague non-answer and nothing happens.

That would be the most likely outcome.......everyone who lives in the eu, knows that they have decided to stop doing winter/summer time years ago.......and still have not set that really into action.
The official stance is that the EU Countries can not "decide" which time to keep.......aka, it will never happen, and they said it only because it was a positive thing back then.

Kinda of the same happened in the US with daylight savings.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Wolfpig:

That would be the most likely outcome.......everyone who lives in the eu, knows that they have decided to stop doing winter/summer time years ago.......and still have not set that really into action.
The official stance is that the EU Countries can not "decide" which time to keep.......aka, it will never happen, and they said it only because it was a positive thing back then.

No one wants to get the short stick of being on either side of the spectrum.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by Wolfpig:

That would be the most likely outcome.......everyone who lives in the eu, knows that they have decided to stop doing winter/summer time years ago.......and still have not set that really into action.
The official stance is that the EU Countries can not "decide" which time to keep.......aka, it will never happen, and they said it only because it was a positive thing back then.

No one wants to get the short stick of being on either side of the spectrum.

Which will also play into this initiative.

The only issue is corporations have much more money and know how to take advantage of the lack of knowledge of the people who would make these regulations.