EU citizen's initiative to stop killing games

[Nathan]

Ownership can still be saved outside the US, we just have to get signatures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMe9MxxZiI

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/eci
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#

"Giant FAQ on The European Initiative to Stop Destroying Games!" (41min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVBiN5SKuA

[bidulless]

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

hello

See you under another speudo is somehow a little bit confusing xd

Anyway, i still does not clearly understand if you are in favor of this initiative or againts...

Personaly i am 30000% in favor and to just show you a little picture why :
and taking ubisoft for my exemple is so too easy/simple but not mandatory because i hate this publisher but because this kind of behaviour should change and it's the purprose of the initiatve
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/R.U.S.E.
https://news.ubisoft.com/en-us/article/64NYEKbdiuRMqFE0YXvWCN/decommissioning-some-online-services-in-january

Ruse is not sold anymore and as you can see the great ubisof "decomissioned" some servers , so the multiplayer part is not worting anymore
how this will affect my game as it can "mostly" be played solo and it's "partlially" true...
During it activity, the game have been updated and we have seen the addition of 3 dlc we could buy and , i've bought the 3...
https://i.postimg.cc/KYc46WXg/Capture.jpg
https://steamdb.info/search/?a=all&q=R.U.S.E+DLC
but there is a little problem here ...
https://ruse.fandom.com/wiki/Downloadable_content

This initiative would not have changed the outcome of that game.

hello
So how could you be sur ? it's just the start there nothing, just a start of thinking and nothing from the eu?
Are you like Nostradamus just because you decided it won't without any evidence of any sort ?
so imo keep talking like always and give us your "POINT OF VIEW" but please don't insult us on presenting it like a evidence or a proof of your story telling...

[Boblin the Goblin]

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

This initiative would not have changed the outcome of that game.

hello
So how could you be sur ? it's just the start there nothing, just a start of thinking and nothing from the eu?
Are you like Nostradamus just because you decided it won't without any evidence of any sort ?
so imo keep talking like always and give us your "POINT OF VIEW" but please don't insult us on presenting it like a evidence or a proof of your story telling...

Because the initiative is about leaving online only games in a playable state after servers shut down.

The example game you gave was not online only.

[bidulless]

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

hello
So how could you be sur ? it's just the start there nothing, just a start of thinking and nothing from the eu?
Are you like Nostradamus just because you decided it won't without any evidence of any sort ?
so imo keep talking like always and give us your "POINT OF VIEW" but please don't insult us on presenting it like a evidence or a proof of your story telling...

Because the initiative is about leaving online only games in a playable state after servers shut down.

The example game you gave was not online only.

hello
so imo you should read the faq of the initialtive again ...
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#

[Boblin the Goblin]

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

Because the initiative is about leaving online only games in a playable state after servers shut down.

The example game you gave was not online only.

hello
so imo you should read the faq of the initialtive again ...
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#

I have.

You didn't lose access to playing the game, only the multiplayer function. This initiative would not have changed that.

[Crazy Tiger]

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

hello
so imo you should read the faq of the initialtive again ...
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en#

I have.

You didn't lose access to playing the game, only the multiplayer function. This initiative would not have changed that.

Correct, I just booted R.U.S.E. on my 360. SP still works. Loading into the menu took a bit of time, though.

[bidulless]

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

I have.

You didn't lose access to playing the game, only the multiplayer function. This initiative would not have changed that.

Correct, I just booted R.U.S.E. on my 360. SP still works. Loading into the menu took a bit of time, though.

hello
and the dlc ?
because i've paid for a full working game when i first bought it, not only single player but also mp...
But true the initiative will not cover my game , i just gave it as an exemple of what could happend if nothing come out of this kind of initiative as only the futur game will be the target and publisher won't be able to do this kind of practice for futur game

[Boblin the Goblin]

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Correct, I just booted R.U.S.E. on my 360. SP still works. Loading into the menu took a bit of time, though.

hello
and the dlc ?
because i've paid for a full working game when i first bought it, not only single player but also mp...

Doesn't matter. This initiative will only cover games that become completely inaccessible once the servers are shut down.

Like The Crew.

[Crazy Tiger]

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Correct, I just booted R.U.S.E. on my 360. SP still works. Loading into the menu took a bit of time, though.

hello
and the dlc ?
because i've paid for a full working game when i first bought it, not only single player but also mp...

I only have the base game.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

hello
and the dlc ?
because i've paid for a full working game when i first bought it, not only single player but also mp...

I only have the base game.

2 of the DLCs were essentially map packs while the 3rd was actual single-player content.

[bidulless]

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

hello
and the dlc ?
because i've paid for a full working game when i first bought it, not only single player but also mp...

I only have the base game.

hello
Anyway like i said earlier it won't concern old game but only futur game only if the initiave succeed
and also hope it prevent this kind of stuff
https://store.steampowered.com/app/201870/Assassins_Creed_Revelations/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgcQRY509bo
so wait and see, we have 1 full year to wait till the end of the initiative and till it get more refined about what will be include into it.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

I only have the base game.

hello
Anyway like i said earlier it won't concern old game but only futur game only if the initiave succeed
and also hope it prevent this kind of stuff
https://store.steampowered.com/app/201870/Assassins_Creed_Revelations/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgcQRY509bo
so wait and see, we have 1 full year to wait till the end of the initiative and till it get more refined about what will be include into it.

It won't since the game is still functional. Just like RUSE.

You should really read the initiative.

[Ben Lubar]

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

Messaggio originale di bidulless:

hello
and the dlc ?
because i've paid for a full working game when i first bought it, not only single player but also mp...

Doesn't matter. This initiative will only cover games that become completely inaccessible once the servers are shut down.

Like The Crew.

I don't think the initiative will affect games like The Crew even if it succeeds.

The EU isn't going to make it illegal for a business to stop offering a service. And a game that has its entire point being the multiplayer isn't going to be rewritten as a singleplayer game for free, especially not when the player count has dropped so much it's not worth the company renewing the licenses to show the branded cars that are in the game on-screen.

Imagine a fan-made multiplayer Pokemon game. It gets shut down by a C&D from Nintendo. Do you think the EU is going to tell those modders that they have to make another copyright-infringing game and illegally distribute it for free or suffer some punishment?

There are just too many ridiculous things that a literal interpretation of what the initiative claims it will do will cause for it to turn into a law.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Messaggio originale di Ben Lubar:

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

Doesn't matter. This initiative will only cover games that become completely inaccessible once the servers are shut down.

Like The Crew.

I don't think the initiative will affect games like The Crew even if it succeeds.

The EU isn't going to make it illegal for a business to stop offering a service. And a game that has its entire point being the multiplayer isn't going to be rewritten as a singleplayer game for free, especially not when the player count has dropped so much it's not worth the company renewing the licenses to show the branded cars that are in the game on-screen.

Imagine a fan-made multiplayer Pokemon game. It gets shut down by a C&D from Nintendo. Do you think the EU is going to tell those modders that they have to make another copyright-infringing game and illegally distribute it for free or suffer some punishment?

There are just too many ridiculous things that a literal interpretation of what the initiative claims it will do will cause for it to turn into a law.

Supposedly, in the case of The Crew, the only thing the servers were really used for was a DRM measure. 90% of the content could technically be accessed offline but the DRM check required it to be online at all time.

Like the last Sim City.

[Ben Lubar]

Messaggio originale di Boblin the Goblin:

Messaggio originale di Ben Lubar:

I don't think the initiative will affect games like The Crew even if it succeeds.

The EU isn't going to make it illegal for a business to stop offering a service. And a game that has its entire point being the multiplayer isn't going to be rewritten as a singleplayer game for free, especially not when the player count has dropped so much it's not worth the company renewing the licenses to show the branded cars that are in the game on-screen.

Imagine a fan-made multiplayer Pokemon game. It gets shut down by a C&D from Nintendo. Do you think the EU is going to tell those modders that they have to make another copyright-infringing game and illegally distribute it for free or suffer some punishment?

There are just too many ridiculous things that a literal interpretation of what the initiative claims it will do will cause for it to turn into a law.

Supposedly, in the case of The Crew, the only thing the servers were really used for was a DRM measure. 90% of the content could technically be accessed offline but the DRM check required it to be online at all time.

Like the last Sim City.

It was a game marketed about how you would always be playing with other people. It's an open world MMO where you're a car. The entire point is the social aspects.

I'm looking through the screenshots and so far I haven't found any evidence of there being a single NPC-controlled car in the game. If you made the game singleplayer, it'd essentially just be a map viewer.

[Tito Shivan]

Messaggio originale di Ben Lubar:

I don't think the initiative will affect games like The Crew even if it succeeds.

People need to keep in mind this is going to be a very steep uphill battle.Pubs are going to weasel their way out of giving away game control in every way they can, and going to actually succeed in some cases.
It's also going to be a very long battle. I don't think we'll see any meaningful change in the next ten years.

And changes won't ever be retroactive. The Crew is gone. For good. And so will many more games before any real change happens (IF it ever happens)