How many community bans do it take for repeated offenders before they get banned permamently

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Like seriously I keep seeing the same people get banned over and over again and probably don’t even care about it and keep doing stuff that get them banned, like any other place would probably ban them permamently a long time ago.

[Sam the big Toucan]

引用自 Lee：

Well, there are a couple reasons:

1. They could had some of their bans overturned
2. It depends on where they get bans from.
3. etc.

Why is it even a problem for you? Just block, ignore, and move on. Also you could help by reporting everything that you believe breaks the guidelines/rules, but just do not interact with them.

Also blocking does like nothing.

[veracsthane]

引用自 Boblin the Goblin：

Except you can't know who issues a report or not.

i knew without them saying because i controlled my posting habits and there where very specfic people. the bans always happened the morning after having a disagreement wiht them

i had several posts one of which i had gotten an appeal for where i did a copy paste and got a second false ban and the only thing i changed from a post that was apealed was that the bad actors where false flagging and that it was appealed. it went from 7 days to 3 days and that was the only thing i changed. if the mods wanted to have any kind of faith they would have started issuing bans to that one specfic person who could not control themselves and could not keep thier hands off the report function.

i stopped posting in that sub community and saw the same ♥♥♥♥ here when talking about the mods and agian it only stopped recently after trump was literally shot at. something did change on their back end because if it didnt i would have already seen another false flagged temp ban. saying its mildly unsettling is an understatement.

edit in i also keep community messages and emails for record keeping and the mods would delete them after i remind them of their own previous comments on the "rules" and it was always to sheild the people false flagging which was the ultimately problem i saw. ive started screen shooting them specifically because of that.

[Brian9824]

引用自 MrNewell123：

Well i suppose that answers the question brought up earlier, in why they don't ban people spamming the report features. There used to be a time, so i'm told, they did that.

And so, when CC is asking what the sense of reporting someone is, if nothing or little happens, it likely has to do, with 90% of the reports being utter nonsense.

I'm not aware of anyone being banned, but I know certain users did indeed get a warning. Granted those are the same users who routinely make threads complaining about people they report not being banned and whom themselves get repeatedly banned.

REAL report abuse is the boogeyman and its incredibly rare like voter fraud.

Also please cite your sources that Steam reports 90% of their reports are utter nonsense. You keep making claims with no proof and citing numbers with no documentation. For instance I can say 99% of reports are extremely accurate and less then .00001% of reports are false.

So if you are expecting us to believe your numbers with no evidence then you have to also believe THOSE numbers

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 Brian9824：

引用自 MrNewell123：

Well i suppose that answers the question brought up earlier, in why they don't ban people spamming the report features. There used to be a time, so i'm told, they did that.

And so, when CC is asking what the sense of reporting someone is, if nothing or little happens, it likely has to do, with 90% of the reports being utter nonsense.

I'm not aware of anyone being banned, but I know certain users did indeed get a warning. Granted those are the same users who routinely make threads complaining about people they report not being banned and whom themselves get repeatedly banned.

REAL report abuse is the boogeyman and its incredibly rare like voter fraud.

Also please cite your sources that Steam reports 90% of their reports are utter nonsense. You keep making claims with no proof and citing numbers with no documentation. For instance I can say 99% of reports are extremely accurate and less then .00001% of reports are false.

So if you are expecting us to believe your numbers with no evidence then you have to also believe THOSE numbers

Well, nobody can really cite anything factually Brian, being this is a company that clearly works in the shadows. We can't even say with any factual basis, who even runs this company. Nonetheless moderation.

Therefore, everything being said here, is pure opinion.

And your opinion to me, was like when people report matters to police, they may not know what the actual rules or laws are. And that is likely the case here with the reports, as you mentioned.

But that is an "opinion", being you cannot show me any factual data, "what" they actually do with these reports, how they're vetted, and what exactly they do at Mr Newells puzzle palace, and to the extent you do know, stymied by agreements you or others may have with Steam.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 MrNewell123：

引用自 Brian9824：

They aren't banned anymore then someone who gives a tip to the police which doesn't pan out is arrested for being wrong. Your mistake is you falsely assume they are "spamming report".

People will make mistakes and moderators aren't going to punish people for something like that.
I mean imagine if every person who called a tip line got arrested if their tip didn't pan out which is the equivalent of what you are suggesting...

Well i suppose that answers the question brought up earlier, in why they don't ban people spamming the report features. There used to be a time, so i'm told, they did that.

And so, when CC is asking what the sense of reporting someone is, if nothing or little happens, it likely has to do, with 90% of the reports being utter nonsense.

No. That is not what I said. Read again. I said why report if there are no more permanent bans. That doesn't mean the reports are nonsense.

[Brian9824]

引用自 MrNewell123：

Well, nobody can really cite anything factually

So you made up fake numbers, thank you for confirming it.

引用自 MrNewell123：

We can't even say with any factual basis, who even runs this company.

You might not be able to, but I could give you the names of Valves staff if i wanted, its not like its a secret just because you don't know it.

In the future please do not make up fake numbers that you cannot backup. That is not the way to try to have a discussion by making up facts.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

I can certainly cite it. A user was permanently banned in the VAC forum, like five years ago. That ban has been removed.

[xBCxRangers]

引用自 Brian9824：

引用自 MrNewell123：

Well, nobody can really cite anything factually

So you made up fake numbers, thank you for confirming it.

引用自 MrNewell123：

We can't even say with any factual basis, who even runs this company.

You might not be able to, but I could give you the names of Valves staff if i wanted, its not like its a secret just because you don't know it.

In the future please do not make up fake numbers that you cannot backup. That is not the way to try to have a discussion by making up facts.

And at the same time, please do not cite rules of any kind, that can be deciphered many different ways, by different people, of different languages.

And most of all, do not cite non factual data about police reports, and what people do with them, without knowing filing a false report, is an A Misdemeanor in my neck of the woods.

Which is to say, we should not be putting Steam, and Law Enforcement, in any comparable way, at all.

So, stop with the misinformation as well. Have a nice day.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 MrNewell123：

引用自 Brian9824：

So you made up fake numbers, thank you for confirming it.


You might not be able to, but I could give you the names of Valves staff if i wanted, its not like its a secret just because you don't know it.

In the future please do not make up fake numbers that you cannot backup. That is not the way to try to have a discussion by making up facts.

And at the same time, please do not cite rules of any kind, that can be deciphered many different ways, by different people, of different languages.

And most of all, do not cite non factual data about police reports, and what people do with them, without knowing filing a false report, is an A Misdemeanor in my neck of the woods.

Which is to say, we should not be putting Steam, and Law Enforcement, in any comparable way, at all.

So, stop with the misinformation as well. Have a nice day.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B

See that tab at the top right?

LOTS of different languages.

You guys can continue to pull the " that can be deciphered many different ways, by different people, of different languages" angle BUT the angle that matters, is Valves'.... they wrote it.

[Crashed]

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

I can certainly cite it. A user was permanently banned in the VAC forum, like five years ago. That ban has been removed.

The VAC forum is part of the main hub.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 Crashed：

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

I can certainly cite it. A user was permanently banned in the VAC forum, like five years ago. That ban has been removed.

The VAC forum is part of the main hub.

I'm aware. User said we cannot state anything factually.

Permanent forum bans no longer exist.

[Brian9824]

引用自 MrNewell123：

And at the same time, please do not cite rules of any kind, that can be deciphered many different ways, by different people, of different languages.

Nope, i'll post the rules all I want, i'm not the one saying if someone broke them or not, that would be steam. Posting the wording of the rules is a fact, if you are unable to understand the rules I suggest you ask for help and those who are more knowledgeable on the subject will be glad to assist you.

引用自 MrNewell123：

And most of all, do not cite non factual data about police reports, and what people do with them, without knowing filing a false report, is an A Misdemeanor in my neck of the woods.

Well you should really talk to someone who has actual experience with law enforcement and has been a officer. Then you'd know the difference between a tip and a police report. No one but you mentioned a police report. A tip called into a tipline is NOT a police report and if you had any knowledge of how police functions work you'd know that most tips they get do not pan out and are false leads.

引用自 MrNewell123：

Which is to say, we should not be putting Steam, and Law Enforcement, in any comparable way, at all.

You definitely shouldn't, that's true. You are unfamiliar with how either work. The rest of us are more knowledgable on the subject

引用自 MrNewell123：

It don't matter what i understand. .

As you were previously told it does indeed matter what you understand, thus you shouldn't be discussing moderation or law enforcement when you don't understand what you are discussing. That leads to mistakes and assumptions on your part such as getting confused over the differences between a tip and a police report and thinking they are the same thing.

[Crashed]

Seems if you want to avoid being banned you need to be a foreign agent sowing electrion disinformation.

[veracsthane]

引用自 Brian9824：

引用自 MrNewell123：

Well, nobody can really cite anything factually

So you made up fake numbers, thank you for confirming it.

the people who support the false flagging bans constantly make up numbers by saying "reports doubled over night" or some other nonsense when they try to make excuses for their position.

1 to 2 reports is doubling.

yall have had several people who said 1 report was enough to justify an action. for every 1 report there are 100s if not 1000s who dont even post in the forums because they simply dont care or dont want to be falsely false flagged.

its companies like steam and blizzard who track the numbers who share the numbers we ussaly qoute where the lgtb mafia has to coopt all of the black players and all of the female players to get to 20% of the player base and that was blizzard who said 1% gay 1% lgbt - idk why they broke this down into two 1% if i can find the post ill link it. 5% where female and 13% black 80% straight white male.... blizzard lied for years saying they where something like 50% of the player player base before saying the quiet part out loud when dei was in the news cycle only confirming what we know about their ""business"" decisions

i was also perosnally effected by blizzards false bans to propagate the nonsense it was about a month after grubby got a false ban from false reports all admitted and blizzard has to mannually unban him.

so many people made so many false reports in so many games they disabled appeals outright for months and told people like me who had 100 dollars or more stolen from them in heroes of the storm to make a new account and trust the system and streamers like asmongold made videos like a year to two years ago confirming the system was never fixed the only reason false flagging went down is people wrongly banned gave up on the company outright. while i didnt join that bs as someone wrongly banned and told to pound sand in only one of their games and only lost 100 dollars the ordeal was bad enough they can never fix my opinion of htem and since the system that caused my negetive opinion still exists and is unchanged thus easily exploited they have proven my negetive opinion of blizzard is justify.

guess what my opinion of steam is after they tried to bring that ♥♥♥♥ here to steam and guess why i have severe trust issues with steam after they tried it.


edit in
https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-search-engine-verdict-apple-319a61f20fb11510097845a30abaefd8

this is current news for those wondering why stuff like this is even mentioned

i would link the reddit post about gubbys false ban but it was removed a while ago because it was obviously damaging blizzards reputation as it should given how bad things got for about a year with that nonsense.

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 Brian9824：

引用自 MrNewell123：

Because the rules so incoherent, and can be interpreted so many different ways by different moderators, if the reports were used as intended, nobody would be posting here, and everyone banned.

Therefore, on a forum 13 years of age to enter, they have to be more lenient in the rules, and make rules, as they do with cheating, very substantial reasons to ban someone.

Cussing, threats stuff like that. Beyond that, the report system is just going to spammed as a downvote feature,

if that was remotely true then everyone would be getting banned, not the same small set of users over and over. Clearly SOME users seem to have no issues understanding the rules. I haven't had any bans for instance in at least a year or two on ANY forum, ever since support resolved a moderation issue for me a while back.

So clearly the rules are not very incoherent if some users are capable of following them.

Well, as some users have mentioned previously, if the rules were applied equally to everyone, yes of course everyone would be banned. After all, repeatedly disagreeing with someone is combative behavior.