How many community bans do it take for repeated offenders before they get banned permamently

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Like seriously I keep seeing the same people get banned over and over again and probably don’t even care about it and keep doing stuff that get them banned, like any other place would probably ban them permamently a long time ago.

[xBCxRangers]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Brian9824:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MrNewell123:

Because the rules so incoherent, and can be interpreted so many different ways by different moderators, if the reports were used as intended, nobody would be posting here, and everyone banned.

Therefore, on a forum 13 years of age to enter, they have to be more lenient in the rules, and make rules, as they do with cheating, very substantial reasons to ban someone.

Cussing, threats stuff like that. Beyond that, the report system is just going to spammed as a downvote feature,

if that was remotely true then everyone would be getting banned, not the same small set of users over and over. Clearly SOME users seem to have no issues understanding the rules. I haven't had any bans for instance in at least a year or two on ANY forum, ever since support resolved a moderation issue for me a while back.

So clearly the rules are not very incoherent if some users are capable of following them.

Well i'm not going to use you as an example, being we all have our theories. But beyond that, many or most are getting banned.

In fact, i've seen most all the regulars, get banned quite often.

Meaning in the past 6 months, at least twice, visibly, for actions i may agree with, if only because they expect others to act differently then they. They tell everyone to follow rules, apperently they're not able to follow themselves.

But putting that aside, should they be banned? No. None of us should.

Being we're not cussing or threatening anyone, or actions that should warrant a ban, for offenses as serious as, cheating would be, and properly applied.

In short, Steam cannot expect 13 year olds, to talk like lawyers. People are human, and when it gets to a point, you cant even talk here as you would in a professional setting, what that means, is they're being too nit picky, and the rules not meaning anything, being relatively anything will get us banned.

And so the report system, does not work effectively, being too many, be it mods or posters, with language barriers and all, can be interpreted many different ways.

[Volfogg]

I never could understand the level of vindictiveness over things said online here. "Punish this.", "Punish that.", "Stop with leniency." Is this some sort of american local custom or something? Never seen such stuff in my area of living.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

That's so stupid. Cheat in a game? Permanent ban.. Zero tolerance. Break forum rules? We'll just keep handing out temp bans.

Why even report anything?

Because the rules so incoherent, and can be interpreted so many different ways by different moderators, if the reports were used as intended, nobody would be posting here, and everyone banned.

Therefore, on a forum 13 years of age to enter, they have to be more lenient in the rules, and make rules, as they do with cheating, very substantial reasons to ban someone.

Cussing, threats stuff like that. Beyond that, the report system is just going to spammed as a downvote feature,

You're completely missing the point. A ban with no real consequences, is pointless.

Cheating bans have real consequences, Forum bans do not. Unless you rack up enough to trigger a community ban and even that first one might not be permanent.

[Brian9824]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Volfogg:

I never could understand the level of vindictiveness over things said online here. Is this some sort of american local custom or something? Never seen such stuff in my area of living.

No, its pretty universal that when someone sees rules being broken, people insulting others, racism, etc that they tend to not like it and will report it so its dealt with.

Your trying to manipulate it and make it vindictive when its about the rules being broken and it doesn't matter WHO breaks the rules. EVERYONE has to follow the rules

[Boblin the Goblin]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Brian9824:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Volfogg:

I never could understand the level of vindictiveness over things said online here. Is this some sort of american local custom or something? Never seen such stuff in my area of living.

No, its pretty universal that when someone sees rules being broken, people insulting others, racism, etc that they tend to not like it and will report it so its dealt with.

Your trying to manipulate it and make it vindictive when its about the rules being broken and it doesn't matter WHO breaks the rules. EVERYONE has to follow the rules

A previous conversations revealed the attitude of if someone(even a child) is being abused by a neighbor, it wouldn't be reported because "it's not their business" to report.

[Volfogg]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Brian9824:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Volfogg:

I never could understand the level of vindictiveness over things said online here. Is this some sort of american local custom or something? Never seen such stuff in my area of living.

No, its pretty universal that when someone sees rules being broken, people insulting others, racism, etc that they tend to not like it and will report it so its dealt with.

Your trying to manipulate it and make it vindictive when its about the rules being broken and it doesn't matter WHO breaks the rules. EVERYONE has to follow the rules

I'm from pretty racist country though... almost to local custom levels. I don't know anyone who obsesses over the rules in the area either. They just are there and people mostly stick to 'em, or know how to bend 'em without breaking 'em.

[xBCxRangers]

Początkowo opublikowane przez C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MrNewell123:

Because the rules so incoherent, and can be interpreted so many different ways by different moderators, if the reports were used as intended, nobody would be posting here, and everyone banned.

Therefore, on a forum 13 years of age to enter, they have to be more lenient in the rules, and make rules, as they do with cheating, very substantial reasons to ban someone.

Cussing, threats stuff like that. Beyond that, the report system is just going to spammed as a downvote feature,

You're completely missing the point. A ban with no real consequences, is pointless.

Cheating bans have real consequences, Forum bans do not. Unless you rack up enough to trigger a community ban and even that first one might not be permanent.

Right, because cheating is a very big deal. Cheating can ruin a whole game, therefore peoples money.

The same has to be applied with the forums. If people are harassing (in the TRUE sense of the word), cussing others, spamming toxicity in the TRUE sense of the word, continously, bans should be issued.

But i saw a poster yesterday, using the report feature, for matters like, "lying", "misinformation', "conspiracy theories", "alt name tags", all of which, are not against the rules.

"Conversations", are not against the rules. Different opinions, are not against the rules.

And minor matters like a topic vereing off, or otherwise what happens when folks have conversations, are not against the rules, or otherwise trivial matters.

However, at the same time, everything is against the rules, depending on how one wants to word it, and in the case of moderation, if they even look at the reports (many times they don't) they can construe an otherwise innocent matter, against the rules.

So they have to make it simple. Do not cuss, at all, and certainly not at others. Do not threaten violence or criminality at others. Do not spam the forums. That is all.

It's easy to understand, and easy to implement, and like cheating, they should treat it very seriously.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Początkowo opublikowane przez MrNewell123:

Początkowo opublikowane przez C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You're completely missing the point. A ban with no real consequences, is pointless.

Cheating bans have real consequences, Forum bans do not. Unless you rack up enough to trigger a community ban and even that first one might not be permanent.

Right, because cheating is a very big deal. Cheating can ruin a whole game, therefore peoples money.

The same has to be applied with the forums. If people are harassing (in the TRUE sense of the word), cussing others, spamming toxicity in the TRUE sense of the word, continously, bans should be issued.

But i saw a poster yesterday, using the report feature, for matters like, "lying", "misinformation', "conspiracy theories", "alt name tags", all of which, are not against the rules.

"Conversations", are not against the rules. Different opinions, are not against the rules.

And minor matters like a topic vereing off, or otherwise what happens when folks have conversations, are not against the rules, or otherwise trivial matters.

However, at the same time, everything is against the rules, depending on how one wants to word it, and in the case of moderation, if they even look at the reports (many times they don't) they can construe an otherwise innocent matter, against the rules.

So they have to make it simple. Do not cuss, at all, and certainly not at others. Do not threaten violence or criminality at others. Do not spam the forums. That is all.

It's easy to understand, and easy to implement, and like cheating, they should treat it very seriously.

Except you can't know who issues a report or not.

[xBCxRangers]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Boblin the Goblin:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MrNewell123:

Right, because cheating is a very big deal. Cheating can ruin a whole game, therefore peoples money.

The same has to be applied with the forums. If people are harassing (in the TRUE sense of the word), cussing others, spamming toxicity in the TRUE sense of the word, continously, bans should be issued.

But i saw a poster yesterday, using the report feature, for matters like, "lying", "misinformation', "conspiracy theories", "alt name tags", all of which, are not against the rules.

"Conversations", are not against the rules. Different opinions, are not against the rules.

And minor matters like a topic vereing off, or otherwise what happens when folks have conversations, are not against the rules, or otherwise trivial matters.

However, at the same time, everything is against the rules, depending on how one wants to word it, and in the case of moderation, if they even look at the reports (many times they don't) they can construe an otherwise innocent matter, against the rules.

So they have to make it simple. Do not cuss, at all, and certainly not at others. Do not threaten violence or criminality at others. Do not spam the forums. That is all.

It's easy to understand, and easy to implement, and like cheating, they should treat it very seriously.

Except you can't know who issues a report or not.

Unless they tell us they did. And so, given that poster got it wrong, were they banned for spamming report features for matters that are not against the rules? Thats' why the report features don't work.

Even more, the rules have to be completely clear, with no ambiguity.

Or else, a mere disagreement in a conversation would be considered "argumentative", and depending on the genius looking at the report, may construe it as such, making the forums non traversable, or downright unfair.

And given the "rules" are simply just a guide, they can ban you for whatever they want anyway.

So why even have them? Well you have them, because if you cuss at someone, or are downright toxic with someone, or threatening them, it's pretty easy, and cut and dry to enforce.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Boblin the Goblin:

Except you can't know who issues a report or not.

Unless they tell us they did. And so, given that poster got it wrong, were they banned for spamming report features for matters that are not against the rules? Thats' why the report features don't work.

Even more, the rules have to be completely clear, with no ambiguity.

Or else, a mere disagreement in a conversation would be considered "argumentative", and depending on the genius looking at the report, may construe it as such, making the forums non traversable, or downright unfair.

And given the "rules" are simply just a guide, they can ban you for whatever they want anyway.

So why even have them? Well you have them, because if you cuss at someone, or are downright toxic with someone, or threatening them, it's pretty easy, and cut and dry to enforce.

There is no public indication of bans from using the report feature. Only the user issued the punishment knows about it.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Boblin the Goblin:

Except you can't know who issues a report or not.

Unless they tell us they did. And so, given that poster got it wrong, were they banned for spamming report features for matters that are not against the rules? Thats' why the report features don't work.

Even more, the rules have to be completely clear, with no ambiguity.

Or else, a mere disagreement in a conversation would be considered "argumentative", and depending on the genius looking at the report, may construe it as such, making the forums non traversable, or downright unfair.

And given the "rules" are simply just a guide, they can ban you for whatever they want anyway.

So why even have them? Well you have them, because if you cuss at someone, or are downright toxic with someone, or threatening them, it's pretty easy, and cut and dry to enforce.

Even cheating bans aren't based on reports.

[xBCxRangers]

Początkowo opublikowane przez C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MrNewell123:

Unless they tell us they did. And so, given that poster got it wrong, were they banned for spamming report features for matters that are not against the rules? Thats' why the report features don't work.

Even more, the rules have to be completely clear, with no ambiguity.

Or else, a mere disagreement in a conversation would be considered "argumentative", and depending on the genius looking at the report, may construe it as such, making the forums non traversable, or downright unfair.

And given the "rules" are simply just a guide, they can ban you for whatever they want anyway.

So why even have them? Well you have them, because if you cuss at someone, or are downright toxic with someone, or threatening them, it's pretty easy, and cut and dry to enforce.

Even cheating bans aren't based on reports.

No, but it's a serious offense, is it not? And so, serious offenses should get people banned. Not nonsense.

[Brian9824]

Początkowo opublikowane przez MrNewell123:

Unless they tell us they did. And so, given that poster got it wrong, were they banned for spamming report features for matters that are not against the rules? Thats' why the report features don't work.

They aren't banned anymore then someone who gives a tip to the police which doesn't pan out is arrested for being wrong. Your mistake is you falsely assume they are "spamming report".

People will make mistakes and moderators aren't going to punish people for something like that.
I mean imagine if every person who called a tip line got arrested if their tip didn't pan out which is the equivalent of what you are suggesting...

[veracsthane]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Lee:

Well, there are a couple reasons:

1. They could had some of their bans overturned
2. It depends on where they get bans from.
3. etc.

Why is it even a problem for you? Just block, ignore, and move on. Also you could help by reporting everything that you believe breaks the guidelines/rules, but just do not interact with them.

1-they dont overturn bans more often then not they laugh and tell you to go pound sand.
ive never had bans overturned unless it was super mega obvious no one would question that the mod who issued the ban was a failure who ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up
2- it literally doesnt. anyone whos a reasonable adult would have agreed with me when i tell you most of my bans i did see where from "stalkers" false reporting just because they saw i made a post. they would have seen a years worth of reports and its obvious the people false flagging where actively picking a fight and the steam mods just didnt want to try or pay attention. im 99% sure the only reason i saw month long bans is because i pointed out 12+ odd 3 day wrist slaps for posts that clearly arent bannable posts from false flaggers reporting me on sight and if you ever got their actual "rules" they claim to follow they would have had to do a proper evaluation of whats going on before the 8th not nearly 20th 3 day false flags later. i started counting after nearly 8 had happened because it was getting ridiculous what i was seeing bans for.
3- it did finally stop but only after trump was literally shot at. it was likely thanks to the typical election season false flagging bs every forum and social media site does. ill be maintaining that most of these chat bans like 99% of them are either obvious because of the nword being used or straight up political in nature false flagging by petty children and one of the highest ethics violations youll see. yes the false flaggers i saw problems with where universally self admitted rabid leftests mostly from the eu or canada where this behavior with the report function is normal. it was extremely predictable i would get a ban in the morning the next day after disagreeing with a few people who agian where obviously false flagging.

for the op my answer is no one here knows because there is to much variation in moderation in the first place. i had a problem that lasted over a year and it seemingly magically went away after trump had an assassination attempt for no observable reason. i felt like i would get a perma ban after atleast a year around january 2025 at the fastest because mods refused to deal with the false flagging. it would be eventual but not for a while agian because the false flagging wont stop until mods finally do their job and make it stop either by perma banning falsely the most likely outcome or finally slapping down the false flaggers with month long bans for their false flagging.

you would never get a straight answer from the mods about what happened either

[xBCxRangers]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Brian9824:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MrNewell123:

Unless they tell us they did. And so, given that poster got it wrong, were they banned for spamming report features for matters that are not against the rules? Thats' why the report features don't work.

They aren't banned anymore then someone who gives a tip to the police which doesn't pan out is arrested for being wrong. Your mistake is you falsely assume they are "spamming report".

People will make mistakes and moderators aren't going to punish people for something like that.
I mean imagine if every person who called a tip line got arrested if their tip didn't pan out which is the equivalent of what you are suggesting...

Well i suppose that answers the question brought up earlier, in why they don't ban people spamming the report features. There used to be a time, so i'm told, they did that.

And so, when CC is asking what the sense of reporting someone is, if nothing or little happens, it likely has to do, with 90% of the reports being utter nonsense.