Should the United States have it's own Steam Client?

[xBCxRangers]

I'm asking this, being i saw a couple of posts, of those concerned over our political landscape. What's happening in our states. Lawsuits, FTC, GAO and others targeting socio media and gaming companies.

Let me say from the onset, i myself have very good relationships, with my European friends here on Steam, particularly on the off topics.

As an elder, i have to say, we are almost literally, in no mans land right now, in regards to our politics, Supreme Court and other matters.

Which to say, in this case, Steam, may not have the liberties they have currently, to run their business here in the future in the way it's being run now.

Cases about children, extremism, adult gaming, and other matters, some states, jurisdictions and even nationally, may not soon except, as some other countries may.

Talks about moderation deficiencies, all too common on our fora. The "rights" of private property, as compared to the "rights" of free speech, may have had clarity in the past, but not so much now.

A former President, who was in fact, banned, that may not take too kindly to "property over free speech", in a court, that may not have near as much power than the executive, in the future.

I know China does have their own client. In that client, apparently not what we have here.

But moderation who are Americans, and games sold that can meet the standard of what our states determine, may just be the way it may have to go in the future.

Is this possible? Can it happen? Should it happen?

Enjoy,

Your Friend, as always, Ranger

[davidb11]

RiO eredeti hozzászólása:

davidb11 eredeti hozzászólása:

What I said might have been in Poor taste, but who gets mad about that particular part of Russian history?

The poor taste isn't in the mentioning. It's in the equating to.

veracsthane eredeti hozzászólása:

you do know its public knowldge of who told youtube and facebook among others to censor the right correct? it was the fbi and cie based on politcal garbage and they use socail media because they can leverage forigen opinion to push unamerican thoughts and practices. it was literally obama era policy and the obama admin that made those changes.

Right-- so what you're saying is: it was the US itself doing that to itself. And it had nothing to do with the EU or Canada, like you initially claimed with:

veracsthane eredeti hozzászólása:

it will make it a lot harder for the bad actors to exploit anti free speech laws in the eu and canada to try and push policy in the usa where we do have free speech.

That makes sense, yeah.

I think it was because I misunderstood the situation.

[Boblin the Goblin]

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:

Hate speech laws invalidate any 'freedom of expression' they claim to be protecting.

No they don't, Your freedom is not unlimited, it ends where others' freedom begins. There's not ONE modern society which guarantees any kind of absolute freedom

Mean words don't step on anyone's freedoms.

[davidb11]

Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

No they don't, Your freedom is not unlimited, it ends where others' freedom begins. There's not ONE modern society which guarantees any kind of absolute freedom

Mean words don't step on anyone's freedoms.

Sadly, people seem to have forgotten what Al Capone said. "You can do more with a kind word and a gun, than a kind word alone."
Wait....

[The nameless Gamer]

Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

No they don't, Your freedom is not unlimited, it ends where others' freedom begins. There's not ONE modern society which guarantees any kind of absolute freedom

Mean words don't step on anyone's freedoms.

Discrimination, segregation and ostracizing start with mean words. Words can lead to actions. Words can be more harmful than you imagine. Mean words create and fuel prejudice and judgemental behavior.

[bluesky66621]

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:

Mean words don't step on anyone's freedoms.

Discrimination, segregation and ostracizing start with mean words. Words can lead to actions. Words can be more harmful than you imagine. Mean words create and fuel prejudice and judgemental behavior.

Very Leftist response. Words are just that words. In United States the police dont arrest you based on words you say. The only thing that is an arrestable offense if you acted that is a crime then one would be arrested. In other words physical actions is what matters. I never seen anyone here at steam forums took physical actions of violence to another.

Yes, one would violate the right of others as soon one silence words by others.

[Zarineth]

bluesky66621 eredeti hozzászólása:

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

Discrimination, segregation and ostracizing start with mean words. Words can lead to actions. Words can be more harmful than you imagine. Mean words create and fuel prejudice and judgemental behavior.

Very Leftist response. Words are just that words. In United States the police dont arrest you based on words you say. The only thing that is an arrestable offense if you acted that is a crime then one would be arrested. In other words physical actions is what matters. I never seen anyone here at steam forums took physical actions of violence to another.

Yes, one would violate the right of others as soon one silence words by others.

Seems like you are wrong (again)...

Here are some examples of state penalties for criminal threats.

California makes it a wobbler offense to engage in criminal threats. A person faces up to a year in jail or time in prison. (Cal. Penal Code § 422.)
In Colorado, threats or menacing without a weapon carries class 1 misdemeanor penalties, but implying or having a weapon increases the penalty to a class 5 felony. (Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-3-206.)
Ohio makes it a fourth-degree misdemeanor to threaten physical harm and a first-degree misdemeanor to threaten serious physical harm (Ohio Code §§ 2903.21, .22.)
Virginia makes it a Class 6 felony to threaten death or serious bodily injury. (Va. Code § 18.2-60.)

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Criminal-Threats.htm

[bluesky66621]

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

bluesky66621 eredeti hozzászólása:

Very Leftist response. Words are just that words. In United States the police dont arrest you based on words you say. The only thing that is an arrestable offense if you acted that is a crime then one would be arrested. In other words physical actions is what matters. I never seen anyone here at steam forums took physical actions of violence to another.

Yes, one would violate the right of others as soon one silence words by others.

Seems like you are wrong (again)...

Here are some examples of state penalties for criminal threats.

California makes it a wobbler offense to engage in criminal threats. A person faces up to a year in jail or time in prison. (Cal. Penal Code § 422.)
In Colorado, threats or menacing without a weapon carries class 1 misdemeanor penalties, but implying or having a weapon increases the penalty to a class 5 felony. (Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-3-206.)
Ohio makes it a fourth-degree misdemeanor to threaten physical harm and a first-degree misdemeanor to threaten serious physical harm (Ohio Code §§ 2903.21, .22.)
Virginia makes it a Class 6 felony to threaten death or serious bodily injury. (Va. Code § 18.2-60.)

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Criminal-Threats.htm

Threats are not protected by freedom of speech. My comments did not include threats. Try again.

What the other user trying to say that any words spoken against certain groups is a crime. That is where you did not read that part.

[Zarineth]

bluesky66621 eredeti hozzászólása:

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

Seems like you are wrong (again)...

Here are some examples of state penalties for criminal threats.

California makes it a wobbler offense to engage in criminal threats. A person faces up to a year in jail or time in prison. (Cal. Penal Code § 422.)
In Colorado, threats or menacing without a weapon carries class 1 misdemeanor penalties, but implying or having a weapon increases the penalty to a class 5 felony. (Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-3-206.)
Ohio makes it a fourth-degree misdemeanor to threaten physical harm and a first-degree misdemeanor to threaten serious physical harm (Ohio Code §§ 2903.21, .22.)
Virginia makes it a Class 6 felony to threaten death or serious bodily injury. (Va. Code § 18.2-60.)

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Criminal-Threats.htm

Threats are not protected by freedom of speech. My comments did not include threats. Try again.

You said:

bluesky66621 eredeti hozzászólása:

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

Discrimination, segregation and ostracizing start with mean words. Words can lead to actions. Words can be more harmful than you imagine. Mean words create and fuel prejudice and judgemental behavior.

In United States the police dont arrest you based on words you say. .

Which is false.

Also have you heard of "tiktok psychic"?
https://youtu.be/t5DqHvY5qf8

[bluesky66621]

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

bluesky66621 eredeti hozzászólása:

Threats are not protected by freedom of speech. My comments did not include threats. Try again.

You said:

bluesky66621 eredeti hozzászólása:

In United States the police dont arrest you based on words you say. .

Which is false.

Also have you heard of "tiktok psychic"?

Wrong as usual and you did not read. I am talking about words, opinions. What the user claiming that having opinion is a crime and would lead to violence. Read carefully.

[Zarineth]

bluesky66621 eredeti hozzászólása:

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

You said:



Which is false.

Also have you heard of "tiktok psychic"?

Wrong as usual and you did not read. I am talking about words, opinions. What the user claiming that having opinion is a crime and would lead to violence. Read carefully.

This is not what you said, but I understand your point now. You made a general statement and only narrowed it down after I called you out.
But it does seem, like US let people be hateful to each other without repercussions. Interesting.

[bluesky66621]

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

bluesky66621 eredeti hozzászólása:

Wrong as usual and you did not read. I am talking about words, opinions. What the user claiming that having opinion is a crime and would lead to violence. Read carefully.

This is not what you said, but I understand your point now. You made a general statement and only narrowed it down after I called you out.
But it does seem, like US let people be hateful to each other without repercussions. Interesting.

No, just that you didn't read and with your unfamiliarly with United States. People can say what they want to say.. The nameless user was wrong in this matter. We dont have to agree with the other side. That's what my statements is all about.

The right to voice your own opinion without being labeled as hate, violent or anything like that. As long these words are just words.

[Boblin the Goblin]

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:

Mean words don't step on anyone's freedoms.

Discrimination, segregation and ostracizing start with mean words. Words can lead to actions. Words can be more harmful than you imagine. Mean words create and fuel prejudice and judgemental behavior.

Doesn't matter what they can lead to. The means words themselves are none of those.

[Doctor Zalgo]

veracsthane eredeti hozzászólása:

RiO eredeti hozzászólása:

Uhm.. I think you have that backwards.

The US doesn't have free speech on privately owned platforms. And it's the EU which recently enforced a modicum of it on privately owned platforms via the Digital Services Act, by legally requiring all moderation applied to be done with due diligence for the rights and freedoms of the individual involved, including freedom of expression; freedom of opinion; and protection of the neutrality of the media.

who do you think is actually pushing the censorship clown? its not users and they constantly tell you its wef state approved investors/advertisers

i have nothing backwards let alone wrong you simply dont understand what was said because you dont read anything. i read endlessly because of my heart problems i cant go outside and party like a moron whod rather dull the pain instead of dealing with problems.

you do know its public knowldge of who told youtube and facebook among others to censor the right correct? it was the fbi and cie based on politcal garbage and they use socail media because they can leverage forigen opinion to push unamerican thoughts and practices. it was literally obama era policy and the obama admin that made those changes.

there is a reason the meme of the left on this is "okay so it is happening and its a good thing"

so ill remind you when a right wing business refuses to hire women or minorities or gays its a private business and can do what it wants. when they censor leftests for speech they are a private business that can do what it wants. quite being an anti white, anti straight, and anti right bigot. <- im not joking this is how you act to shut down discourse because you dont like it.

thats where this ends with your policy out of necessity not wants. the famines no one wanted and was avoidable. the racism and sexism youll see no one wanted but was necessary due to policy you push and avoidable. the rolling black outs. believe it or not avoidable. all the legacy monoplies we are seeing that are all state approved. avoidable.

all of it was avoidable and the only way to do anything about any problem is always speaking about it and properly organizing based on practicality not feelings. it can feel good but be a catastrophic failure and we are seeing that in quite alot of places thanks to leftest policy in particular forcing it.

I wonder why advertisers don't want their names associated with hate speech. Could it be 'decades of marketing research and data showing it costs them money' or is it 'a conspiracy against free speech'.

It's really fascinating watching the far right turn against capitalism now that they're realising that its always been about maximising $$$.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

Discrimination, segregation and ostracizing start with mean words. Words can lead to actions. Words can be more harmful than you imagine. Mean words create and fuel prejudice and judgemental behavior.

Doesn't matter what they can lead to. The means words themselves are none of those.

It's also fascinating watching the right wing suddenly pretend that indoctrination and radicalisation aren't real when it suits them.

Much like cocaine and handguns, hate speech (while entertaining in certain contexts) does more damage to society than it adds value, so it gets regulated.

[The nameless Gamer]

Boblin the Goblin eredeti hozzászólása:

The nameless Commander eredeti hozzászólása:

Discrimination, segregation and ostracizing start with mean words. Words can lead to actions. Words can be more harmful than you imagine. Mean words create and fuel prejudice and judgemental behavior.

Doesn't matter what they can lead to. The means words themselves are none of those.

Let's just say that "mean words" resulted in me having not ONE pleasant memory of 4 years of high school. So I have first-hand experience how harmful words can be from the receiving end.