if piracy is a service problem, then steam has a service problem

[¥‎€‎‎$]

this is about forced updates !
i agree with you steam, piracy is part service problem.

let me tell you about your service with the example of GTA4. (there are plenty more)

this stupid game gets non stop updates because of that stupid R* launcher, which, i'm pretty sure, was added post purchase btw and i'm 100% sure it was with GTA5. R* would sue you if you would breach a purchasing contract.

read only on the acf file does not work. the only really working solution to me looks like, get the game you want to play ready. zip and backup the folder and when an update gets released, update, delete folder, unzip backup.
with a game like GTA4 getting non stop updates, it will take time and wear out SSDs...

so steam explain to me why i should not pirate any future games? i'm curious.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

You said the updates are through the R* launcher. Steam literally cannot control that.

i did not, it is not even installed. and don't focus on GTA4 this problem exists with every game

It's a feature, not a "problem". Not liking a feature doesn't make it a "problem".

You can read the official Steamworks documentation that Valve has for game developers. In there it is mentioned that the forced automatic updating system is a core principle of Steam. So, it's an intended feature, not a "problem".

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Still a Rockstar matter, not a Valve matter.
Distribution is handled through the Rockstar Games Client, Valve does not make that, so your only option is to ask Rockstar Games.

Buying a license through Steam which has to involve the Rockstar Client means Steam is the 3rd party you used to acquire a license, but the primary party aka Rockstar Games is what you need to play the game itself, it just uses Steam Services to verify you have a license.

No, Steam is pushing the updates, as he says. Since Steam is in charge of the version control releasing they could support older versions fairly easily.

They do. But that's for the dev/pub to decide.
Their game, their business.
So again this is between the OP and Rockstar.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

You directly mention it getting non-stop updates through the launcher. If you have a way to downgrade it, then you have a way to avoid the updates.

The developer chooses to push the update in the main branch. They can choose not to and put updates in the beta branch or let customers know to switch branches to keep their version.

A lot of games do this.

Steam won't force a developer to do it since a big selling point of Steam is easy updates.

learn to read pls. quote me where i say that or get blocked.

"this stupid game gets non stop updates because of that stupid R* launcher,"

3rd paragraph of the OP.

Steam doesn't push the update, the developer does. They have the option to not push it to the main branch. Plenty of games do this.

[¥‎€‎‎$]

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

"this stupid game gets non stop updates because of that stupid R* launcher,"

because not through. bai

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

"this stupid game gets non stop updates because of that stupid R* launcher,"

because not through. bai

Doesn't change that the developer is in charge of pushing updates.

If GTA4 doesn't get updates through the launcher, then where are they from?

[¥‎€‎‎$]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

You can read the official Steamworks documentation that Valve has for game developers. In there it is mentioned that the forced automatic updating system is a core principle of Steam. So, it's an intended feature, not a "problem".

which then becomes a service problem. dosn't matter who is to blame, dev or valve. it's steam which has the service problem, which should have fixed the piracy is a service problem. yeah but whats to be expected other than people making excuses for $$$ companies

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

No, Steam is pushing the updates, as he says. Since Steam is in charge of the version control releasing they could support older versions fairly easily.

Nope: Steam a program is doing what the developer requires - updating a game.

Developers have the option to enable version choice via branches. Paradox has version choice for Hearts of IV.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

You can read the official Steamworks documentation that Valve has for game developers. In there it is mentioned that the forced automatic updating system is a core principle of Steam. So, it's an intended feature, not a "problem".

which then becomes a service problem. dosn't matter who is to blame, dev or valve. it's steam which has the service problem, which should have fixed the piracy is a service problem. yeah but whats to be expected other than people making excuses for $$$ companies

Steam's service is working as intended. Getting upset about game updates doesn't make it a service problem.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

You can read the official Steamworks documentation that Valve has for game developers. In there it is mentioned that the forced automatic updating system is a core principle of Steam. So, it's an intended feature, not a "problem".

which then becomes a service problem. dosn't matter who is to blame, dev or valve. it's steam which has the service problem, which should have fixed the piracy is a service problem. yeah but whats to be expected other than people making excuses for $$$ companies

Not liking something still does not make it a "problem".

If you want it changed, you need to advocate for a change in licensing and digital legislation. But I know that's too much work, so you won't do that but rather make pointless complaint threads that achieve nothing but some entertainment for the rest of the forum dwellers on this user-to-user forum.

[JacquesPatat]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

reading must be hard.

i downgraded GTA4, i don't even have R* launcher installed. damn

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

You directly mention it getting non-stop updates through the launcher. If you have a way to downgrade it, then you have a way to avoid the updates.

The developer chooses to push the update in the main branch. They can choose not to and put updates in the beta branch or let customers know to switch branches to keep their version.

A lot of games do this.

Steam won't force a developer to do it since a big selling point of Steam is easy updates.

learn to read pls. quote me where i say that or get blocked.

so in other words, it is not piracy you have an issue with, but an issue with game developers pushing through updates, even if the updates is for their own launchers.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

No, Steam is pushing the updates, as he says. Since Steam is in charge of the version control releasing they could support older versions fairly easily.

Nope: Steam a program is doing what the developer requires - updating a game.

Developers have the option to enable version choice via branches. Paradox has version choice for Hearts of IV.

So does Project Zomboid.

So does DRG(for the classic version).

So does Hades.

So does Dead Cells.

[¥‎€‎‎$]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

If you want it changed, you need to advocate for a change in licensing and digital legislation. But I know that's too much work, so you won't do that but rather make pointless complaint threads that achieve nothing but some entertainment for the rest of the forum dwellers on this user-to-user forum.

not american. so there isn't a option that's not pointless...

all steam needs is by that blue button that says update an option on the arrow button next to it, shutup and launch game as it is.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

You can read the official Steamworks documentation that Valve has for game developers. In there it is mentioned that the forced automatic updating system is a core principle of Steam. So, it's an intended feature, not a "problem".

which then becomes a service problem. dosn't matter who is to blame, dev or valve. it's steam which has the service problem, which should have fixed the piracy is a service problem. yeah but whats to be expected other than people making excuses for $$$ companies

STeam does what it is told to do by their customer.
If that's bad service, then I just don't know what good service is.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

this is about forced updates !

Nope. It is about piracy.

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

so steam explain to me why i should not pirate any future games? i'm curious.

As a sidenote: Steam is program.

[76561198407601200]

Originally posted by ¥‎€‎‎$:

reading must be hard.

i downgraded GTA4, i don't even have R* launcher installed. damn

Speaking of reading

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

You consent to such automatic updating. You understand that this Agreement (including applicable Subscription Terms) does not entitle you to future updates (unless to the extent required by applicable law), new versions or other enhancements of the Content and Services associated with a particular Subscription, although Valve may choose to provide such updates, etc. in its sole discretion.

It is there when creating an account, not being aware of it is user error. Being aware of it and complaining about updates after is user error. If you want to use those as excuses for piracy then have at it, others will purchase the games either way.