Perfect games and other achievements!

[Geldoran]

Hi, so I just managed to get my 5th perfect game and I'm really chuffed. But its really disappointing that I can't really display this feat. I mean unless people go to the 'activity ' thing they don't see anyone gains anyway but getting a perfect doesnt even ping! I wish steam would revamp it so that profiles and more specifically achievements had more options.

[Ogami]

The problem is that achievements on Steam are kinda meaningless.
You can cheat them very easily and "perfect" a game with a simple button press.
Its not even against Steam rules to cheat achievements.

Honestly, be happy that you achieved your perfect game legit and dont care about what others may think/see.
I dont think many users care about what achievements their Steam friends unlock.

[Start_Running]

Ask the developers. The thing is. It becomes kinda meaningless, more so than it is already.
Also most gamers really don't give a crap about the achievements of other gamers.

[kitt]

Originally posted by Geldoran:

Hi, so I just managed to get my 5th perfect game and I'm really chuffed. But its really disappointing that I can't really display this feat. I mean unless people go to the 'activity ' thing they don't see anyone gains anyway but getting a perfect doesnt even ping! I wish steam would revamp it so that profiles and more specifically achievements had more options.

and yet you dont even provide any examples of what VALVE should do..

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

Originally posted by Ogami:

The problem is that achievements on Steam are kinda meaningless.
You can cheat them very easily and "perfect" a game with a simple button press.
Its not even against Steam rules to cheat achievements.

It should be noted that some developers do give you a Game Ban if they catch you with cheated Achievements. Dead By Daylight is such an example.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

Originally posted by Ogami:

The problem is that achievements on Steam are kinda meaningless.
You can cheat them very easily and "perfect" a game with a simple button press.
Its not even against Steam rules to cheat achievements.

It should be noted that some developers do give you a Game Ban if they catch you with cheated Achievements. Dead By Daylight is such an example.

That is of course correct, some multiplayer focused games do give bans for achievement cheating, mainly because those achievements unlock something in the game as far as i know.
But its really just a handful of games that do this and its all from the developer side, not because its against the Steam rules in general.

[Jacobxd5]

Yes!

[B✪✪tsy]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Also most gamers really don't give a crap about the achievements of other gamers.

True, except for a few games and only the people on my friendlist.

[Geldoran]

I just think it would be nice if something popped up to let your friends know so they can maybe mention it or respond with something. I mean that whole point store thing seems a bit silly too because there's nothing really make anyone see any of the stuff you put on a profile.

Also I am totes legit. Perfect games are a ♥♥♥♥ to get, most of mine are the lego games but my last one was AC: Odyssey which took some time so felt a bit more sad no one noticed ;-(

I mean actually in the profile it shows how man perfect games you have but doesn't actually give any means of showing what ones they are, which would be nice.

[Cooler]

Can always use a 3rd party website to show off profile, like this[steamprofiles.net]

[grody_antagonic]

yes, always use third party sites to track, look at and maybe show off your achievements. It's merely for your personal enjoyment, but these third party sites usually make sure that everyone can enjoy a fair environment for achievement hunting by banning cheaters. And it always gives you a nice overlook of your achievements.
two of the best tracking sites (imo) for that purpose:
https://steamhunters.com/
https://astats.astats.nl/

[NS Plover]

I don't quite get the point of the original post - Steam has a profile showcase for achievements - is there something wrong with it? View my profile to see two...

PS one is rarest achievements and the other is for achievements I like best...

[Garou]

Originally posted by B✪✪tsy:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Also most gamers really don't give a crap about the achievements of other gamers.

True, except for a few games and only the people on my friendlist.

Most people don't care about other parts of our public profiles either yet Valve still updates those eventually. How many people asked for animated avatar frames? I didn't even know I wanted those like I do now. I'm pretty sure more people are interested in the achievements than profile frames.

Wouldn't you love to have more options for your own personal use? All we have now is a raw number of achievements/perfect games and the average percentage. Look at what PlayStation is doing with their ps5 interface: built-in achievement guides, time estimates. Not to mention what they had years ago.

Valve used to lead the innovation. They still can though. Steam Labs and the new Library interface and functionality shows that. Personally, I think they neglected smaller community features for too long.

[Mailer]

Originally posted by F35:

Most people don't care about other parts of our public profiles either yet Valve still updates those eventually. How many people asked for animated avatar frames? I didn't even know I wanted those like I do now. I'm pretty sure more people are interested in the achievements than profile frames.

I think you should read a bit about the Kano model to perhaps understand their decision.
(This is a suggestion for you; not a derogatory response in any way.)

It explains how certain types of features that are implemented, often based on customer (un)expectation nonetheless, can result in varying quantities of customer satisfaction.
As they would have it, implementing something that nobody expected but actually turns out to be a generally well received feature is in fact one of the the most rapid and rewarding boosts to customer satisfaction that exist.
I can't say for certain whether Valve wants to follow the Kano model as an application for their platform, but I would like to think that it is in fact a very widely adapted model out there for a lot of different companies.
https://foldingburritos.com/kano-model/

[Tonton Mori]

Gamerscore on Xbox is a good idea. I think adding a score to achievements based on the total number of achievements within the game and their difficulty (using for example a tier system, like bronze, silver, gold and platinium ones), so that every game contains the same amount of score and harder achievements are more rewarding, could be a good start. Of course with bonus points when you get all of them to further increase the reward for actually completing a game.

But while that does address the issue of the uneven number of achievements among games, it does not address the issues of games with achievements that are too easy too unlock (some games takes minutes to complete at 100%, by design).

This issue could be fixed by changing the total value of a game achievements depending on the average time it takes to complete it. Using tiers once again to simplify calculations.

But then, there are the cheaters. Since it is actually possible to unlock every achievements of a game at the same time without cheating (if you unlocked them offline, they will all be considered unlocked when you next go online, at the exact same time), we can't really use that.

You could use some complicated math based on the time it should take for a player to unlock an achievement, but this is really heavy and not 100% accurate.