About the "LGBT stuff" spam in games forums.

[Nihi]

We've all seen it, and we all know very little of it is honest feedback, most of it is bait to farm Jester awards or to get people to rage and abuse reports.

If you don't see what I mean, take a look at The First Descendant's forum, half of the first page is that in one way or another. ( https://steamcommunity.com/app/2074920/discussions/0/ )

Valve is not doing anything because censoring discussion about LGBT is a big no no in progressive USA. Trolls know that and abuse that fact, the funny part is, if you block them, and go to other forums, they post the same thing everywhere and you start seeing "This was posted by a blocked user" everywhere.

There's two solutions to that problem, before it gets even worse :

- REMOVE AWARDS. It doesn't serve any purpose other than being a "steam point sink", and suddenly, you get rid of all the Jester farmers, aka, the vast majority of these posters.

- Apply the rules the same EVEN when people talk about that subject. There's no reason people would be allowed to spam about that and not anything else. Almost none of these threads are locked... "This discussion has devolved and is no longer constructive" ? That's what you use to censor every single interesting discussion, but you allow these trolls and the morons who answer to flood your forums with no repercussion ?


And finally, a message to Valve employees, you think you help the LGBTs by doing what you're doing, but you don't, you just make it so that everyone is sick and tired of it, and it leads to more LGBT hate. You're accomplices.

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Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

I said you seem to lack empathy it's a question, I'm asking, it's not meant to be an argument stopper... answer my question. I'm still here debating, you have just picked that part out, put a spin on it, and ignored everything else I've said. That's poor debating.

What do you want me to debate? You agreed with my point. I said you are making a huge issue out of it, and then you said that's because of, lets call it, "oppression". You didn't attack my point. You just gave a reason for it.

[Ben Lubar]

In my experience, the people who talk about caring whether there are gay people in a game and the people who actually care about whether there are gay people in a game are completely disjoint groups.

I've seen a lot of posts demanding Warframe add "a LGBT character" from people with zero playtime in the game, and at the same time I'm friends with a game writer who added some lesbians to a game's story years ago and is still waiting to receive the first complaint from an angry gamer about it.

[Luke]

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

I said you seem to lack empathy it's a question, I'm asking, it's not meant to be an argument stopper... answer my question. I'm still here debating, you have just picked that part out, put a spin on it, and ignored everything else I've said. That's poor debating.

What do you want me to debate? You agreed with my point. I said you are making a huge issue out of it, and then you said that's because of, lets call it, "oppression". You didn't argue my point. You just gave a reason for it.

Yes, real oppression and censorship is a major reason behind the need for representation, I don't see how you think oppression invalidates our argument?

I wanted you to debate/respond to these points:

"You don't seem to understand, it's because you don't get persecuted or marginalised for being "a samurai, smart, or funny, or a barista, or 23 years old, and so on and so forth" maybe poor yes, but it's because we all grew up having our sexuality censored by religion and much of secular society until recently, and we still get attacked on a daily basis online and whenever a video game has anything LGBTQ in it, don't pretend you don't see it, look at every steam comment section and you will find it on any game with lgbtq content. We had to fight for our sexuality to be de-criminalised and only very recently in some countries, in many it's still illegal. It's ongoing, just because things are all sunny where you are from doesn't mean every lgbtq person on earth should stop fighting for their rights and not being censored."

This:

"Let me get one thing clarified, if you don't care about representation, why are you here berating people who do? It's kind of giving the opposite impression, it's like you're secretly against LGBTQ representation but you're disguising it as not caring for representation overall at all. Tell me I'm wrong please."

This:

Answer me this, why are you here? Truly.

[bluesky66621]

Nguyên văn bởi Ben Lubar:

In my experience, the people who talk about caring whether there are gay people in a game and the people who actually care about whether there are gay people in a game are completely disjoint groups.

I've seen a lot of posts demanding Warframe add "a LGBT character" from people with zero playtime in the game, and at the same time I'm friends with a game writer who added some lesbians to a game's story years ago and is still waiting to receive the first complaint from an angry gamer about it.

Mental gymnastics, is that from a fortune cookie?

[76561199723167594]

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

What do you want me to debate? You agreed with my point. I said you are making a huge issue out of it, and then you said that's because of, lets call it, "oppression". You didn't argue my point. You just gave a reason for it.

Yes, real oppression and censorship is a major reason behind the need for representation, I don't see how you think oppression invalidates our argument?

I wanted you to debate/respond to these points:

"You don't seem to understand, it's because you don't get persecuted or marginalised for being "a samurai, smart, or funny, or a barista, or 23 years old, and so on and so forth" maybe poor yes, but it's because we all grew up having our sexuality censored by religion and much of secular society until recently, and we still get attacked on a daily basis online and whenever a video game has anything LGBTQ in it, don't pretend you don't see it, look at every steam comment section and you will find it on any game with lgbtq content. We had to fight for our sexuality to be de-criminalised and only very recently in some countries, in many it's still illegal. It's ongoing, just because things are all sunny where you are from doesn't mean every lgbtq person on earth should stop fighting for their rights and not being censored."

This:

"Let me get one thing clarified, if you don't care about representation, why are you here berating people who do? It's kind of giving the opposite impression, it's like you're secretly against LGBTQ representation but you're disguising it as not caring for representation overall at all. Tell me I'm wrong please."

This:

Answer me this, why are you here? Truly.

You can repeat that but it's still not an argument. It's a rant. It doesn't bring my point down, it confirms it.

Your second "point": This is what you people are always doing. If you lose the debate, which you are always going to do because all you have is second-hand talking points, which are part of an "ideology" which makes no sense at all, you are going to simply and openly project your ideas onto the other person. I can tell you you're wrong but that isn't going to work. You are already doubting me and rejecting what I say. You fail at debates because with you, the conclusion is set in stone and all you are going to do is find ways to arrive at that same conclusion.

[Luke]

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

Yes, real oppression and censorship is a major reason behind the need for representation, I don't see how you think oppression invalidates our argument?

I wanted you to debate/respond to these points:

"You don't seem to understand, it's because you don't get persecuted or marginalised for being "a samurai, smart, or funny, or a barista, or 23 years old, and so on and so forth" maybe poor yes, but it's because we all grew up having our sexuality censored by religion and much of secular society until recently, and we still get attacked on a daily basis online and whenever a video game has anything LGBTQ in it, don't pretend you don't see it, look at every steam comment section and you will find it on any game with lgbtq content. We had to fight for our sexuality to be de-criminalised and only very recently in some countries, in many it's still illegal. It's ongoing, just because things are all sunny where you are from doesn't mean every lgbtq person on earth should stop fighting for their rights and not being censored."

This:

"Let me get one thing clarified, if you don't care about representation, why are you here berating people who do? It's kind of giving the opposite impression, it's like you're secretly against LGBTQ representation but you're disguising it as not caring for representation overall at all. Tell me I'm wrong please."

This:

Answer me this, why are you here? Truly.

You can repeat that but it's still not an argument. It's a rant. It doesn't bring my point down, it confirms it.

Your second "point": This what you people are always doing. If you lose the debate, which you are always going to do because all you have is second-hand talking points, which are part of an "ideology" which makes no sense at all, you are going to simply and openly project your ideas onto the other person. I can tell you you're wrong but that isn't going to work. You are already doubting me and rejecting what I say. You fail at debates because with you, the conclusion is set in stone and all you are going to do is find ways to arrive at that same conclusion.

You hypocrite, you are doing exactly what you just said I'm doing. "Anti-woke" people all follow the same template, everything you have said I've heard 1000 times already in almost identical wording. You think you have a unique point of view but it's just the same mental gymnastics. Not for one moment have you debated properly. And you still can't answer why you are here.

[Luke]

This is a waste of energy, for the both of us, for all of us really, neither side is ever going to budge it's hopeless. How about we just go enjoy some games, maybe shoot each other in counter-strike or something. Will be more productive than this.

[76561199723167594]

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

You can repeat that but it's still not an argument. It's a rant. It doesn't bring my point down, it confirms it.

Your second "point": This what you people are always doing. If you lose the debate, which you are always going to do because all you have is second-hand talking points, which are part of an "ideology" which makes no sense at all, you are going to simply and openly project your ideas onto the other person. I can tell you you're wrong but that isn't going to work. You are already doubting me and rejecting what I say. You fail at debates because with you, the conclusion is set in stone and all you are going to do is find ways to arrive at that same conclusion.

You hypocrite, you are doing exactly what you just said I'm doing. "Anti-woke" people all follow the same template, everything you have said I've heard 1000 times already in almost identical wording. You think you have a unique point of view but it's just the same mental gymnastics. Not for one moment have you debated properly. And you still can't answer why you are here.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You aren't listening, that's why you think it is "the same". And that's why you can't come up with a proper response. You are always projecting and you just can't switch it off. The "anti-woke" are not a hivemind like the woke are. You are the ones blindly following some ideology.

[(banned)]

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

This is a waste of energy, for the both of us, for all of us really, neither side is ever going to budge it's hopeless. How about we just go enjoy some games, maybe shoot each other in counter-strike or something. Will be more productive than this.

The problem is that its more profitable to use AI to play the game for you, then it is to play the game, due to extreme grind. Yes, its quite feasible to turn a tidy profit from XP farming. Just ask the Chinese.

[Luke]

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

You hypocrite, you are doing exactly what you just said I'm doing. "Anti-woke" people all follow the same template, everything you have said I've heard 1000 times already in almost identical wording. You think you have a unique point of view but it's just the same mental gymnastics. Not for one moment have you debated properly. And you still can't answer why you are here.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You aren't listening, that's why you think it is "the same". And that's why you can't come up with a proper response. You are always projecting and you just can't switch it off. The "anti-woke" are not a hivemind like the woke are. You are the ones blindly following some ideology.

You aren't listening to me either, not truly. Anti-woke is a hivemind and ideology all the same, you just can't see it because you're buried too deep in it. This is classic warfare both sides just accusing each other of the same ♥♥♥♥. It's so stupid. It's just "no you" at this point.

[(banned)]

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

. This is classic warfare both sides just accusing each other of the same ♥♥♥♥.

Such is life in a country where there is only 1 binary choice when it comes to political parties. Don't blame people, especially its all they ever grew up with, and it will never ever change since it works conveniently so well for either party to be so divisive.

And so there is zero thought into ever thinking of a more faceted political system other than Party A and Party B. It works especially well when they both have their own angles to push.

[Luke]

Nguyên văn bởi Sozin:

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

. This is classic warfare both sides just accusing each other of the same ♥♥♥♥.

Such is life in a country where there is only 1 binary choice when it comes to political parties. Don't blame people, especially its all they ever grew up with, and it will never ever change since it works conveniently so well for either party to be so divisive.

Yeah ok it's true, it's sad it's come to this. Two hiveminds at war, both thinking neither are wrong and can't see past their own perspectives. There can be no true debate here, because neither side will ever listen to each other, even if they say they are. I think I'm going to opt out of it now. It's a waste of my time, and nothing any of us say here will have impact anyway it's just some random steam forum post lol. It's doing more harm than good.

[76561199723167594]

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You aren't listening, that's why you think it is "the same". And that's why you can't come up with a proper response. You are always projecting and you just can't switch it off. The "anti-woke" are not a hivemind like the woke are. You are the ones blindly following some ideology.

You aren't listening to me either, not truly. Anti-woke is a hivemind and ideology all the same, you just can't see it because you're buried too deep in it. This is classic warfare both sides just accusing each other of the same ♥♥♥♥. It's so stupid. It's just "no you" at this point.

Anti-woke is an ideology??? Can you show this ideology to me? No, you can't. All you can say is "Clickbait youtubers Fox News" or something like that. More projection. And yes, it is stupid and will not go anywhere until you learn how to escape that.

[Luke]

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

You aren't listening to me either, not truly. Anti-woke is a hivemind and ideology all the same, you just can't see it because you're buried too deep in it. This is classic warfare both sides just accusing each other of the same ♥♥♥♥. It's so stupid. It's just "no you" at this point.

Anti-woke is an ideology??? Can you show this ideology to me? No, you can't. All you can say is "Clickbait youtubers Fox News" or something like that. More projection. And yes, it is stupid and will not go anywhere until you learn how to escape that.

You're just the reverse of the thing you are against and you can't see that, everything you say can be reflected back onto you:

"Woke is an ideology??? Can you show this ideology to me? No, you can't. All you can say is "LGBTQ victim mentality DEI degenerates gay agenda" or something like that. More projection. And yes, it is stupid and will not go anywhere until you learn how to escape that."

Enjoy the zero self awareness rabbit hole you have fallen into, I'm getting out of it now. Enjoy your life.

[76561199723167594]

Nguyên văn bởi Luke:

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

Anti-woke is an ideology??? Can you show this ideology to me? No, you can't. All you can say is "Clickbait youtubers Fox News" or something like that. More projection. And yes, it is stupid and will not go anywhere until you learn how to escape that.

You're just the reverse of the thing you are against and you can't see that, everything you say can be reflected back onto you:

"Woke is an ideology??? Can you show this ideology to me? No, you can't. All you can say is "LGBTQ victim mentality DEI degenerates gay agenda" or something like that. More projection. And yes, it is stupid and will not go anywhere until you learn how to escape that."

Enjoy the zero self awareness rabbit hole you have fallen into, I'm getting out of it now. Enjoy your life.

Wrong. I know exactly what your ideology is. It's called Critical Theory or Critical Social Justice. YOU don't even know that you're following that, that's how unconscious you are. And that's why you don't stand a chance in these debates.