Convergence & Paradox of Hope warning

[Large Tomatoes]

Hey,

Just a heads up about the VR game that recently hit EA. It is a replacement game for the earlier Paradox of Hope, this was essentially a stalker in VR, it was terminated due to infringing their copyright.

Anyway, at the time the developer stated that owners of Paradox of Hope would get Convergence for free, fair enough. I asked in the discord channel whether we could trust this next game to not be a direct clone, this of course led to the drones attacking, followed shortly by the developer banning my account. To this end I left a bad review for Paradox of Hope, which then spurred the developer to ban me from that game's community hub.

I have just asked in the convergence hub about my free copy of this game and the developer permanently banned me from that community too.

This is just a warning that clearly the developer doesn't like being questioned politely about the assurances they can offer to paying customers, this to me is a massive red flag.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Again, this isn't the whole story. It never is. You don't get banned for asking questions and if your account got land, I'm guessing those questions were not asked politely.

[Large Tomatoes]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Again, this isn't the whole story. It never is. You don't get banned for asking questions and if your account got land, I'm guessing those questions were not asked politely.

"Again" - this is the first time I've spoken with you as far as I know. Thanks for the assumptions though.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3229942175

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

I meant this is not the first thread concerning moderation issues.

A couple of things. They don't permanently ban your account for simply asking questions. Your screenshot does not show a ban reason. There is always a reason, the fact that you left it out explains a lot.

[Large Tomatoes]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

I meant this is not the first thread concerning moderation issues.

A couple of things. They don't permanently ban your account for simply asking questions. Your screenshot does not show a ban reason. There is always a reason, the fact that you left it out explains a lot.

What do you mean "the fact that you left it out" that is a screenshot of the community message I got from Steam. They didn't enter a reason, clearly! How can I possibly leave it out?

The comment I wrote was the opening message to a thread I created.

Also, who is "they" exactly? You are using other conversations which I wasn't part of as a basis for doubt and creating a globulous "they" moderators group, when as I've stated, it was a ban for that game's community hub issued by the developer. I understand that if you lurk around these forums a lot you will encounter a great deal of exaggerators but unless I was involved in those conversations they have nothing to do with me.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

In before steam closes this with the standard "The forums are not the place to discuss bans"

[Mad Scientist]

Too many people recently are trying to say it was "asking questions" or "criticizing" with a lot left out of the story.

Things like name changes won't fool a developer, game hub mods, or other regular hub users.

[Large Tomatoes]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Too many people recently are trying to say it was "asking questions" or "criticizing" with a lot left out of the story.

Can you show me where I've done this? If not, then it is not applicable to me.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Things like name changes won't fool a developer, game hub mods, or other regular hub users.

Correct, where has this come from though?

[Large Tomatoes]

Originally posted by Malfunctioning Robot:

In before steam closes this with the standard "The forums are not the place to discuss bans"

I'm offering a genuine warning, I'm not arguing against the ban, I do not want the ban lifted. This is literally the only place I can openly discuss the developer's practices, and I think it is relevant to the community to hear it.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Large Tomatoes:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Too many people recently are trying to say it was "asking questions" or "criticizing" with a lot left out of the story.

Can you show me where I've done this? If not, then it is not applicable to me.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Things like name changes won't fool a developer, game hub mods, or other regular hub users.

Correct, where has this come from though?

Its applicable especially as its clearly a partial story.

As for the 2nd part, same reasons a dev or game hub mod would notice.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by Large Tomatoes:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

I meant this is not the first thread concerning moderation issues.

A couple of things. They don't permanently ban your account for simply asking questions. Your screenshot does not show a ban reason. There is always a reason, the fact that you left it out explains a lot.

What do you mean "the fact that you left it out" that is a screenshot of the community message I got from Steam. They didn't enter a reason, clearly! How can I possibly leave it out?

The comment I wrote was the opening message to a thread I created.

Also, who is "they" exactly? You are using other conversations which I wasn't part of as a basis for doubt and creating a globulous "they" moderators group, when as I've stated, it was a ban for that game's community hub issued by the developer. I understand that if you lurk around these forums a lot you will encounter a great deal of exaggerators but unless I was involved in those conversations they have nothing to do with me.

See that little square? That's what happens when you edit images sometimes. There is always a reason for the ban, they don't just leave it out. Do you realize that we can see where it says ban reason and it's just blank? That doesn't seem odd to you?

Also, it being a game hub doesn't mean that it doesn't have moderators. They certainly do. A developer can certainly have moderator powers over their own game hub. In fact, most of them do. So yes, for all intents and purposes, you were banned by a game hub moderator.

[Large Tomatoes]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Its applicable especially as its clearly a partial story.

So my point isn't wrong, you just won't buy it until you hear the full story, that is exactly what you should do I expect nothing more. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the Discord server and the developer deleted the threads I made, so at best it will be my word against theirs. Either way, my point stands, this is just a warning based on my experience which I find appalling.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

As for the 2nd part, same reasons a dev or game hub mod would notice.

That makes no sense! When you change your username Steam tells you that nothing else changes and you can see my past aliases in my profile, changing your username as a means of masking your identity would be like putting on a joke shop glasses & moustache disguise. I'm assuming this is just a random comment rather than an insinuation, because you have zero logical basis for such a claim.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Originally posted by Large Tomatoes:

Originally posted by Malfunctioning Robot:

In before steam closes this with the standard "The forums are not the place to discuss bans"

I'm offering a genuine warning, I'm not arguing against the ban, I do not want the ban lifted. This is literally the only place I can openly discuss the developer's practices, and I think it is relevant to the community to hear it.

What you think is irrelevant, the moderators will close it anyway

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

What is appalling is posting a clearly edited screenshot and expecting us not to notice.

You're hiding the ban reason and then acting like that's no big deal.

[Large Tomatoes]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

See that little square? That's what happens when you edit images sometimes. There is always a reason for the ban, they don't just leave it out. Do you realize that we can see where it says ban reason and it's just blank? That doesn't seem odd to you?

That little square is the border around the text element that displays the reason they entered, it is blank. The reason is clearly mandatory but they must have entered a space to bypass the validation. There is not one single image editing application in existence that adds random boxes when you edit an image, what are you talking about?

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Also, it being a game hub doesn't mean that it doesn't have moderators. They certainly do. A developer can certainly have moderator powers over their own game hub. In fact, most of them do. So yes, for all intents and purposes, you were banned by a game hub moderator.

Correct, the game hub moderator.So when you say "they don't ban you for no reason" you are specifically stating that the mods for that specific game don't ban for no reason. How do you know this?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

I also have a pretty good guess as to why your account was banned. You said other threads were deleted? Well, if I had to guess I would say you were harassing the developer to get that other version of the game and you were told to stop and you didn't so, the account was banned.