Do I own my games or not?

[Zoltan]

I was around back when STEAM started. It took time to trust them that they will be around long enough from buying the games that were on disk to buying them on steam and still owning them.

Now I am being told I don't own my games that games are only a service.

What the Hell !

We need to know if steam is sticking to the original plan that we own our games.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από entropyjones:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από AntiGrieferGames:

If buying isnt ownership (like on Ubisoft, EA, Rockstar, Steam, and many other DRM Stores), piracy isnt theft. Full Stop!

Why would waste money of the specific store, while we dont owning?

Well, theoretically what gog is doing does mean we own the games. They are able to provide full offline installers for the games that you can install without being connected to gog.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/offline_installers_through_gog_galaxy



I just downloaded my offline installed for cyberpunk 2077.. it's 100gigs which creates it's own problems. Basically I'm finding out I do not have the storage space for this if steam suddenly was as good to gamers as gog.

But going forward, buying everything on gog means I own the game and control the installation media.

Honestly, if a company is going to play ball with me and try to meet me half way I see no reason to try and pirate.

Even though I do agree with your major point about "If we dont own it then piracy isnt theft!"

That's a battlecry.

i know GOG, this is one of the popular DRM-Free service and i hear many times.

There are other DRM-Free stores like Itch.io, Gamersgate (look on drm-free), Zoom Platform DRM-FREE. Theres are too much to explore, which some Games are missing on GOG.

Steam got btw some DRM-Free Games, which doesnt require steam client to play, simply look on PCGamingWiki before buying on steam.

I love DRM-Free.

[Zoltan]

Sorry I have been busy designing my own game that I "OWN" because I created it in Unreal Engine 5.4. Now if we all just designed our own games we can share them for free with others that also design and share games we would not need to buy any games anymore. Mods can help us make something awesome instead of working for the slave masters for free.

Just imagine.....

[Chika Ogiue]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zoltan:

Sorry I have been busy designing my own game that I "OWN" because I created it in Unreal Engine 5.4. Now if we all just designed our own games we can share them for free with others that also design and share games we would not need to buy any games anymore. Mods can help us make something awesome instead of working for the slave masters for free.

Just imagine.....

If you're willing to spend thousands of hours* developing a game and all its assets to offer it up for free, go for it. It's great that you consider the value of your hard work to be 0 dollars and 0 cents.

Don't expect everyone to price their time and talent in the same way, though.

* Which you'd need for your game be of an equivalent quality to most successful games today.

[Ben Lubar]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chika Ogiue:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zoltan:

Sorry I have been busy designing my own game that I "OWN" because I created it in Unreal Engine 5.4. Now if we all just designed our own games we can share them for free with others that also design and share games we would not need to buy any games anymore. Mods can help us make something awesome instead of working for the slave masters for free.

Just imagine.....

If you're willing to spend thousands of hours* developing a game and all its assets to offer it up for free, go for it. It's great that you consider the value of your hard work to be 0 dollars and 0 cents.

Don't expect everyone to price their time and talent in the same way, though.

* Which you'd need for your game be of an equivalent quality to most successful games today.

Just because my game is available for free doesn't mean I think it's worthless. It means I'm letting people play it for free because I want other people to enjoy a thing I made for people to enjoy.

[Chika Ogiue]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ben Lubar:

Just because my game is available for free doesn't mean I think it's worthless. It means I'm letting people play it for free because I want other people to enjoy a thing I made for people to enjoy.

It's a great sentiment, but unless you're providing it somewhere that at least allows people to optionally pay for it (such as itch.io) you're doing yourself a disservice.

[Komarimaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ben Lubar:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chika Ogiue:

If you're willing to spend thousands of hours* developing a game and all its assets to offer it up for free, go for it. It's great that you consider the value of your hard work to be 0 dollars and 0 cents.

Don't expect everyone to price their time and talent in the same way, though.

* Which you'd need for your game be of an equivalent quality to most successful games today.

Just because my game is available for free doesn't mean I think it's worthless. It means I'm letting people play it for free because I want other people to enjoy a thing I made for people to enjoy.

Wasn't a jab at you, I'm sure. More of, some don't understand what it takes to develop a game. Even with my 3D modeling and texture expertise, and using said software since all the way back to AutoCAD 11(God that was so long ago), I personally wouldn't want to try and make a game. Even though have quite a bit of experience in UE 5.X.

[Ben Lubar]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chika Ogiue:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ben Lubar:

Just because my game is available for free doesn't mean I think it's worthless. It means I'm letting people play it for free because I want other people to enjoy a thing I made for people to enjoy.

It's a great sentiment, but unless you're providing it somewhere that at least allows people to optionally pay for it (such as itch.io) you're doing yourself a disservice.

There is the option to donate, but very few people actually take it.

https://store.steampowered.com/itemstore/563560

But again, I'm not doing this for money. I'm doing this because I want people to engage with a thing I (and a bunch of other talented volunteers) made.

[Chika Ogiue]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ben Lubar:

There is the option to donate, but very few people actually take it.

https://store.steampowered.com/itemstore/563560

See, I wasn't aware you could donate on Steam. And I'm not sure how many people are. It's well known on itchio, because they prompt you when you claim a game, and (speaking for myself), I tend to return to donate an amount based on how much I enjoyed the game -- that being between equivalent of 5 to 20 USD.

But yes, my post wasn't meant as a jab toward you or any other actual developer. The OP however, isn't being serious.

[Ganger]

Guys, I've long past caring if I own my digital games or not, my attention has focused to real life issues such as how to keep the roof over my head, how will I survive into old age, how can I support my children. Worrying about if I own half-life 2 on steam doesn't even enter my mind anymore. Infact, this is a first world problem people will little to do worry about.

Your all wasting energy and time even arguing about this topic because in the end, "you own nothing and be happy", which in steams case your all happy playing games !.

You all know deep down you don't own your titles and you all know the courts will side with the big corporations but yet, we will fight and kill each other here on the forums while the people at the top are laughing.

[entropyjones]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ganger:

Guys, I've long past caring if I own my digital games or not, my attention has focused to real life issues such as how to keep the roof over my head, how will I survive into old age, how can I support my children. Worrying about if I own half-life 2 on steam doesn't even enter my mind anymore. Infact, this is a first world problem people will little to do worry about.

Your all wasting energy and time even arguing about this topic because in the end, "you own nothing and be happy", which in steams case your all happy playing games !.

You all know deep down you don't own your titles and you all know the courts will side with the big corporations but yet, we will fight and kill each other here on the forums while the people at the top are laughing.

Then why are you posting here? Surely you are one step closer to oblivion now and all you did was waste your breath.

[Ganger]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από entropyjones:

Then why are you posting here? Surely you are one step closer to oblivion now and all you did was waste your breath.

Your correct.. But this is what I do in my spare time, post and argue on the steam forums. It's part of my whining down time after work or when I have a hour or two spare. Anyway, I will back later, got shopping to do.

[Tito Shivan]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zoltan:

Now if we all just designed our own games we can share them for free with others that also design and share games we would not need to buy any games anymore.

There's this little detail where doing that takes a lot of work and people love to eat and have shelter, which already takes a lot of work to achieve.

But hey let me not stop you, go ahead with your dream of making and sharing games for free...

You go first.

[Zoltan]

Now look at what just happened. Many gamers got cut off from Helldivers 2.

This behavior of buying a game and getting cut off from it is happening.

This is a fresh new game

[Brian9824]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Zoltan:

Now look at what just happened. Many gamers got cut off from Helldivers 2.

This behavior of buying a game and getting cut off from it is happening.

This is a fresh new game

Actually they didn't, they were going to make a PSN account required which was free and was always listed on steam as being required, and changed their mind when they realized some people wouldn't be able to make one.

Not a single person was cut off from being able to play Helldivers 2 as the requirement has never been enforced

[Zoltan]

But 177 countries don't have access to PSN and they admitted to knowing that.

Not all their games require this. So they deliberately deceived their gamers.

People are not reading the fine writing anymore. They have expectations that they can at least play the games they buy.

Gamers are losing trust very fast to even big platforms like Sony. Are you sure you want to open this Pandora Box?

So far the reviews for Helldivers 2 is in the lowest pits of hell. People won't forget this.

This will hurt pocket books from everyone including Sony, Steam and the players. Your killing the industry with this behavior.

When the best game goes from Best to worse. Something is very wrong.