Do I own my games or not?

[Zoltan]

I was around back when STEAM started. It took time to trust them that they will be around long enough from buying the games that were on disk to buying them on steam and still owning them.

Now I am being told I don't own my games that games are only a service.

What the Hell !

We need to know if steam is sticking to the original plan that we own our games.

[RasaNova]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

SlowMango a écrit :

You aren't losing them.

They are still attached to your account whether you upgrade to Windows 10 or not. They aren't getting removed.

If they were leased, they would be removed from your account like how Game Pass works.

When you lose something, that means you can no longer use it. And if we're signing TOS, that have us have to meet that standard, we do not own the games.

Leasing happens in varying different ways. I may have a physical car in my driveway or on the street, as i would my games, but if it's leased and i do not meet the Terms, they put a boot on it, and cannot be operated until i meet the terms.

It's the same here.

Sure, let's do car analogies. You could have a car you bought taken away for a number of reasons. If a car you own is towed or booted because the registration expired or it doesn't meet safety standards, you still own it.

[Brian9824]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

Well they were citing an experiences from certain users, like certain users are specifying that here, while you or others deny it ever happened to them.

Nope they have not. removed games If you want to claim so then name the game that was removed from Steam. No one has been able to name a game removed from Steam so they can't download it anymore. Some users did falsely CLAIM it, and was immediately disproved.

I mean do you routinely believe everything a random person tells you without doing any validation or fact checking to see if they are telling the truth?

Again, you should do your own research instead of just blindly repeating with no knowledge what someone says because you want to believe what they are saying is the truth.

[xBCxRangers]

RasaNova a écrit :

xBCxRangers a écrit :

When you lose something, that means you can no longer use it. And if we're signing TOS, that have us have to meet that standard, we do not own the games.

Leasing happens in varying different ways. I may have a physical car in my driveway or on the street, as i would my games, but if it's leased and i do not meet the Terms, they put a boot on it, and cannot be operated until i meet the terms.

It's the same here.

Sure, let's do car analogies. You could have a car you bought taken away for a number of reasons. If a car you own is towed or booted because the registration expired or it doesn't meet safety standards, you still own it.

Well, that's the law, and breaking the law, and public safety issues. We're talking about Leases.

[xBCxRangers]

brian9824 a écrit :

xBCxRangers a écrit :

Well they were citing an experiences from certain users, like certain users are specifying that here, while you or others deny it ever happened to them.

Nope they have not. removed games If you want to claim so then name the game that was removed from Steam. No one has been able to name a game removed from Steam so they can't download it anymore. Some users did falsely CLAIM it, and was immediately disproved.

I mean do you routinely believe everything a random person tells you without doing any validation or fact checking to see if they are telling the truth?

Again, you should do your own research instead of just blindly repeating with no knowledge what someone says because you want to believe what they are saying is the truth.

Well the game you cited in the article, is still there..

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/store/one-step-after-fall/9NJ2HWS137K5

And so likely the matter rectified since your link. And that's why we have to be careful, who's providing this information, who they are, and what their experience on these matters are.

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

brian9824 a écrit :

Then I would suggest you do some basic research as Steam has never done it yet Xbox for instance has repeatedly made games no longer available that people purchased

Xbox - https://www.gamingbible.com/news/controversial-xbox-game-pulled-from-users-libraries-359664-20230419

Sony - https://readwrite.com/sony-is-at-it-again-removing-content-people-have-already-paid-for-from-libraries/

There are more but that's just to give you an example that is easy to find if you do the most basic of searches.


No you are not, because you are listening to random people making unsubstantiated claims and you haven't done any research on the matter so you are blindly believing them. The facts are that steam does not remove games. Xbox on the other hand has indeed removed games with no refunds yet you think they don't because you don't do any research before you spread false information.

Well they were citing an experiences from certain users, like certain users are specifying that here, while you or others deny it ever happened to them.

But something tells me, in my own experience, if they refunded me for a game, that indeed was not even taken away, but just a change to something i did not buy, and it was refunded, the matter a bit embellished.

As far as Sony, they were apps as far as i know. And another an admitted glitch and bug when it came to game libraries they have since fixed.

I had a free app, a YT Background background player no longer operable. But i didn't pay for it.

Actually, reading the article, you will see that Sony directly said the digital copies won't be available anymore.

Sony a écrit :

“We understand that you may have concerns about your digital copies from Funimation. These Digital copies available on Funimation were a digital access to the content available on the DVDs or Blu-rays purchased. Please note that Crunchyroll does not currently support Funimation Digital copies, which means that access to previously available digital copies will not be supported.”

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

brian9824 a écrit :

Nope they have not. removed games If you want to claim so then name the game that was removed from Steam. No one has been able to name a game removed from Steam so they can't download it anymore. Some users did falsely CLAIM it, and was immediately disproved.

I mean do you routinely believe everything a random person tells you without doing any validation or fact checking to see if they are telling the truth?

Again, you should do your own research instead of just blindly repeating with no knowledge what someone says because you want to believe what they are saying is the truth.

Well the game you cited in the article, is still there..

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/store/one-step-after-fall/9NJ2HWS137K5

And so likely the matter rectified since your link. And that's why we have to be careful, who's providing this information, who they are, and what their experience on these matters are.

Actually, again, when reading the article, you will see that only the Spanish and German versions were removed. You linked the US version.

GamingBible a écrit :

Now though, it’s been reported that those aforementioned German and Spanish versions of the title have been removed from both the Xbox Store and users’ libraries.

[Brian9824]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

And that's why we have to be careful, who's providing this information, who they are, and what their experience on these matters are.

Which again, i'll ask you, what game was removed from steam and is no longer downloadable? You seem perfectly capable of listening to random people without any clue on their knowledge when it suits you, but seem to decry anyone else.

So again, Steam does not remove games, anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you. Unless you have an example of a game that is no longer downloadable....

xBCxRangers a écrit :

Well the game you cited in the article, is still there..

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/store/one-step-after-fall/9NJ2HWS137K5

You should try reading the article. The base game wasn't removed so of course its still in the store. Unfortunately when you don't read you will keep making mistakes.

[Brian9824]

SlowMango a écrit :

GamingBible a écrit :

Now though, it’s been reported that those aforementioned German and Spanish versions of the title have been removed from both the Xbox Store and users’ libraries.

Well someone read the article at least. Sadly too many uneducated people who have no clue what they are talking about keep trying to argue things without even reading the articles and are repeatedly proven wrong, yet constantly refuse to ever read the sources people provide.

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango a écrit :

xBCxRangers a écrit :

Well the game you cited in the article, is still there..

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/store/one-step-after-fall/9NJ2HWS137K5

And so likely the matter rectified since your link. And that's why we have to be careful, who's providing this information, who they are, and what their experience on these matters are.

Actually, again, when reading the article, you will see that only the Spanish and German versions were removed. You linked the US version.

GamingBible a écrit :

Now though, it’s been reported that those aforementioned German and Spanish versions of the title have been removed from both the Xbox Store and users’ libraries.

Sir, i cannot speak for what happens in your country, or others. And for that i'm mistaken, if people are under the impression, i speak for the world. I do not. HERE, they are not taking away your games, without a refund.

[RasaNova]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

RasaNova a écrit :

Sure, let's do car analogies. You could have a car you bought taken away for a number of reasons. If a car you own is towed or booted because the registration expired or it doesn't meet safety standards, you still own it.

Well, that's the law, and breaking the law, and public safety issues. We're talking about Leases.

Please don't move goalposts. We're talking about ownership, and how circumstances which might deny access to the things we own doesn't mean we no longer own them, whether they are cars or game licenses.

It's probably been said to you 200 times or more in the last year. Youre probably nearly as tired of hearing it as people are of repeating it. Nobody can make you accept the fact, we can only keep informing that your game licenses are still yours, and you'll be able to access them provided you meet the requirements.

[xBCxRangers]

RasaNova a écrit :

xBCxRangers a écrit :

Well, that's the law, and breaking the law, and public safety issues. We're talking about Leases.

Please don't move goalposts. We're talking about ownership, and how circumstances which might deny access to the things we own doesn't mean we no longer own them, whether they are cars or game licenses.

It's probably been said to you 200 times or more in the last year. Youre probably nearly as tired of hearing it as people are of repeating it. Nobody can make you accept the fact, we can only keep informing that your game licenses are still yours, and you'll be able to access them provided you meet the requirements.

Well, you're the one moving the goalposts lol. You're talking about illegal activity, like not registering your car, or going thru a light or something.

I'm talking about leasing, v ownership.

If i buy a car, although Chevy owns the license for the model, i can buy it, and smash it, alter it, whatever. It belongs to me. I OWN the product.

If you're tired of hearing it, it's likely because you end up, wrong. Like they were just wrong, moving goalposts to "free apps" being taken out, a clear bug since fixed on PS, and a game where other countries have different rules.

And this coming from a person, who is a total noob on these PC matters. You're supposed to know what you're doing. Get it right, and folks like me will shut up.

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

SlowMango a écrit :

Actually, again, when reading the article, you will see that only the Spanish and German versions were removed. You linked the US version.

Sir, i cannot speak for what happens in your country, or others. And for that i'm mistaken, if people are under the impression, i speak for the world. I do not. HERE, they are not taking away your games, without a refund.

You already know "my country".

Those versions weren't country specific. Users in the US could download them when they were on the store. When they removed them, they removed them from those users.

So yes, they did take away games from people here. They did not refund them.

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango a écrit :

xBCxRangers a écrit :

Sir, i cannot speak for what happens in your country, or others. And for that i'm mistaken, if people are under the impression, i speak for the world. I do not. HERE, they are not taking away your games, without a refund.

You already know "my country".

Those versions weren't country specific. Users in the US could download them when they were on the store. When they removed them, they removed them from those users.

So yes, they did take away games from people here. They did not refund them.

"Update:
We are now seeing reports that both One Step After Fall (Español) and One Step After Fall (Deutsch) have been completely removed from players' libraries, and they are unable to download either of these games despite previously paying for them.

One user on Twitter claims to have received a refund from Microsoft for both versions, so it may be worth reaching out to Microsoft if you now no longer have these in your library"

https://www.trueachievements.com/n53503/one-step-after-fall-language-stack-delisted-xbox

Reach out to Xbox.

[Brian9824]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

SlowMango a écrit :

Actually, again, when reading the article, you will see that only the Spanish and German versions were removed. You linked the US version.

Sir, i cannot speak for what happens in your country, or others. And for that i'm mistaken, if people are under the impression, i speak for the world. I do not. HERE, they are not taking away your games, without a refund.

You really need to read the article. They took away those games from people in the US if they bought those versions.

So yes, they did take away your games without a refund

xBCxRangers a écrit :

If you're tired of hearing it, it's likely because you end up, wrong. Like they were just wrong, moving goalposts to "free apps" being taken out, a clear bug since fixed on PS, and a game where other countries have different rules.

Once again both those "interpretations" are a result of your lack of reading. Both are completely wrong

For one it wasn't free apps on Playstation which if you read the article you would see as it very clearly said

Playstation a écrit :

At the end of last year, we ran a story that resonated with a lot of people when Sony lost the rights to some digital content it had previously been selling via its online store. This content was subsequently removed from PlayStation owners’ libraries even though they had bought it with their own money.

Again, if you had read it they shut down the funimation app (which is free) and removed all the paid shows and content you had PURCHASED

Secondly as already stated the xbox game for instance was removed from the accounts of US users, it had nothing to do with any countries laws. They removed the german and spanish language version of the game from everyone who had bought it.

Fortunately Steam has not done what Microsoft or Sony has. So Gabe can give Mr Spencer a lesson on how to treat your customers.

[Brian9824]

xBCxRangers a écrit :

SlowMango a écrit :

You already know "my country".

Those versions weren't country specific. Users in the US could download them when they were on the store. When they removed them, they removed them from those users.

So yes, they did take away games from people here. They did not refund them.

"Update:
We are now seeing reports that both One Step After Fall (Español) and One Step After Fall (Deutsch) have been completely removed from players' libraries, and they are unable to download either of these games despite previously paying for them.

One user on Twitter claims to have received a refund from Microsoft for both versions, so it may be worth reaching out to Microsoft if you now no longer have these in your library"

https://www.trueachievements.com/n53503/one-step-after-fall-language-stack-delisted-xbox

Yep, repeating what we already said, they removed them from users in the US

if you referring to the one user on twitter bit, I can go to twitter right now and be "one user" that says Xbox drinks the blood of children. That doesn't make it true, nor would it change the scummy practice of taking away your titles without refunding you, and forcing tens of thousands of users to have to be aware it happened and then try to get a hold of xbox manually and HOPE they get a refund and aren't denied.

Other users on twitter reported being denied a refund when they asked

“I [...] asked for a refund and they DECLINED!! THEY DELIST IT AND DELETE IT FROM MY LIBRARY!! XBOX STEAL [sic] MY MONEY!!!! I AM SO PISSED OFF!!! I ALSO BUYED GERMANY [sic] AND THEY ALSO DECLINED!!!! [YOU’RE] KIDDING ME!?” @kyublueofficial tweeted.