Do I own my games or not?

[Zoltan]

I was around back when STEAM started. It took time to trust them that they will be around long enough from buying the games that were on disk to buying them on steam and still owning them.

Now I am being told I don't own my games that games are only a service.

What the Hell !

We need to know if steam is sticking to the original plan that we own our games.

[76561199566220743]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zoltan:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Caelin:

Yeah, it's a Win7 complaint thread.

Nope

So what is your complaint then? Because all you're doing is going in circles with the "you should have access to the games on the platform you bought them on".

Fact of the matter is, you bought a license to access your games.

[Zefar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zoltan:

Just look at what happened to Dragon Dogma 2

Don't under estimate the power of the people.

It was successful enough that Capcom is planning extra DLC to it.

Even with the performance problems. Also not sure what that game has to do with this.

[76561199566220743]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zoltan:

Just look at what happened to Dragon Dogma 2

Don't under estimate the power of the people.

It was successful enough that Capcom is planning extra DLC to it.

Even with the performance problems. Also not sure what that game has to do with this.

The performance can be patched/fixed, a lot of the negative reviews were impulsive because of the current "dlc" model. AKA items you can get relatively easy in-game, for a buck or two.

Thing is, that's not new to the franchise. They had dlc just like it when the first Dragon's Dogma came out.

[Tito Shivan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zoltan:

Basically you folk are arguing that we can buy a game and one week later we can no longer play it and its all legal.

Fun fact: If the disk of a movie you own breaks, you lose the movie.

[xBCxRangers]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Zoltan:

Basically you folk are arguing that we can buy a game and one week later we can no longer play it and its all legal.

Fun fact: If the disk of a movie you own breaks, you lose the movie.

Well, that's common sense lol. But another fun fact, is that when you purchase the CD, you purchased the "license". You don't own Universal Pictures, and so you don't "own" the movie.

But that's not to say, your DVD player has a time limit as to how long you will have the movie, you paid for, and "own" as far the disc.

So, this whole talk of "licenses", a bit of a diversion, being most every media you buy is a license.

That doesn't mean you don't own the product, and they have a right to bar you or take it away. That's "here", or with certain developers, in Terms of the Agreement we signed, and those Agreements can change.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Tito Shivan:

Fun fact: If the disk of a movie you own breaks, you lose the movie.

Well, that's common sense lol. But another fun fact, is that when you purchase the CD, you purchased the "license". You don't own Universal Pictures, and so you don't "own" the movie.

But that's not to say, your DVD player has a time limit as to how long you will have the movie, you paid for, and "own" as far the disc.

So, this whole talk of "licenses", a bit of a diversion, being most every media you buy is a license.

That doesn't mean you don't own the product, and they have a right to bar you or take it away. That's "here", in Terms of the Agreement we signed, and those Agreements can change.

It means exactly that.

The license used to be tied to physical media because digital distribution was still in its early infancy. The license has stayed the same.

What changed is the medium the license is tied to/delivered on.

[Tito Shivan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xBCxRangers:

Well, that's common sense lol.

If the movie and it's usage being bound to the media is 'common sense' then why games being tied to the service somehow surpasses human understanding?

Your digital game is bound to the media in which you bought it as much as your physical ones are bound to the discs you bought them in.

Steam breaks? You lose the games
Your disc breaks? You lose the game too.

[Soren]

You're licensing them. So you own the license there in a way. It's just that license can also be revoked under some circumstances. Same goes for Steam items like TF2 hats. You own them, but you can functionally lose the ability to use them or trade them if you get banned on TF2. Effectively burning your inventory value.

Side note, anyone ever see a cheater lose 1,000$+ TF2 inventory from a VAC ban? It was a life changing experience for me. I will never forget that day.

[Zefar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Caelin:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:

It was successful enough that Capcom is planning extra DLC to it.

Even with the performance problems. Also not sure what that game has to do with this.

The performance can be patched/fixed, a lot of the negative reviews were impulsive because of the current "dlc" model. AKA items you can get relatively easy in-game, for a buck or two.

Thing is, that's not new to the franchise. They had dlc just like it when the first Dragon's Dogma came out.

I wasn't talking about the DLC that is on the store page.
I'm talking about Capcom being surprised how well Dragons Dogma 2 did and now want to plan extra content for it.

As for the performance. Well, Capcom doesn't seems to care about the performance. They let it out of the door in it's current state and there is no way that they would not know how bad it was.

[xBCxRangers]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Tito Shivan:

Opprinnelig skrevet av xBCxRangers:

Well, that's common sense lol.

If the movie and it's usage being bound to the media is 'common sense' then why games being tied to the service somehow surpasses human understanding?

Your digital game is bound to the media in which you bought it as much as your physical ones are bound to the discs you bought them in.

Steam breaks? You lose the games
Your disc breaks? You lose the game too.

Well it seems we're just having an, i say tomato, you say tomatoe, argument. This is word salad.

If i buy a book at the books store, i OWN the book. For others to reply, no you do not. The Author and the publisher Random House owns it, you just own a copy of the license they provided to you. Really? Great.

The matter happening here, is you buy a book, and Mr Newell and MS say, you need to pay more money to access the book you already own. That really is, what this is about. DRM, all the rest.

The question is, do they have a Right? Yes. Why? Because these online businesses, get away, with what really no other business can. Can that change? Yes. Will it change? Maybe. How long before it does? Who knows. Meanwhile, stick with consoles.

[mldb88]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xBCxRangers:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Tito Shivan:

If the movie and it's usage being bound to the media is 'common sense' then why games being tied to the service somehow surpasses human understanding?

Your digital game is bound to the media in which you bought it as much as your physical ones are bound to the discs you bought them in.

Steam breaks? You lose the games
Your disc breaks? You lose the game too.

Well it seems we're just having an, i say tomato, you say tomatoe, argument. This is word salad.

If i buy a book at the books store, i OWN the book. For others to reply, no you do not. The Author and the publisher Random House owns it, you just own a copy of the license they provided to you. Really? Great.

The matter happening here, is you buy a book, and Mr Newell and MS say, you need to pay more money to access the book you already own. That really is, what this is about. DRM, all the rest.

The question is, do they have a Right? Yes. Why? Because these online businesses, get away, with what really no other business can. Can that change? Yes. Will it change? Maybe. How long before it does? Who knows. Meanwhile, stick with consoles.

That’s really not what’s going on at all, and equating it to a book is creating a false equivalency. Games licensing and buying a book are NOTHING alike, but I’m pretty sure you already knew that and are just using it as an excuse to try to prove your point.

[BJWyler]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zoltan:

I am aware that some of you are damage control lawyers for steam. But your arguments won't hold in court.

The digital copy pf the software I bought is a product.

Then challenge it in court. The current legality of any software is that you have a license, not ownership. Simple as and end of story.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xBCxRangers:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Tito Shivan:

If the movie and it's usage being bound to the media is 'common sense' then why games being tied to the service somehow surpasses human understanding?

Your digital game is bound to the media in which you bought it as much as your physical ones are bound to the discs you bought them in.

Steam breaks? You lose the games
Your disc breaks? You lose the game too.

Well it seems we're just having an, i say tomato, you say tomatoe, argument. This is word salad.

If i buy a book at the books store, i OWN the book. For others to reply, no you do not. The Author and the publisher Random House owns it, you just own a copy of the license they provided to you. Really? Great.

The matter happening here, is you buy a book, and Mr Newell and MS say, you need to pay more money to access the book you already own. That really is, what this is about. DRM, all the rest.

The question is, do they have a Right? Yes. Why? Because these online businesses, get away, with what really no other business can. Can that change? Yes. Will it change? Maybe. How long before it does? Who knows. Meanwhile, stick with consoles.

Actually, what's happening here is buying a digital book. Like something from Audible. Then Amazon saying you need to upgrade your phone to continue to access the digital books you bought.

Which, guess what, literally happens.

If saying since you own the physical CD and it breaks you lose access to the contents in the CD is "common sense", then it's the exact same with a digital account.

If you don't agree, then you don't actually think it's "common sense" and are just saying points you don't actually believe or understand.

[HikariLight]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xBCxRangers:

What you have to do OP, is what i do is just make console your main. I mean if you have 360, that wasn't plugged in my internet for years, and i'll always have my games. Xbox One the same. PS2, PS3, PS4 etc. Just make sure you stay away from these game services, that you have to be online to play.

You still don't own the game for those, just a license.
Consoles unlike PC games don't have to be online to verify ownership for single player games, but you still only own a license to play not the game itself.

[HikariLight]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xBCxRangers:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Tito Shivan:

If the movie and it's usage being bound to the media is 'common sense' then why games being tied to the service somehow surpasses human understanding?

Your digital game is bound to the media in which you bought it as much as your physical ones are bound to the discs you bought them in.

Steam breaks? You lose the games
Your disc breaks? You lose the game too.

Well it seems we're just having an, i say tomato, you say tomatoe, argument. This is word salad.

If i buy a book at the books store, i OWN the book. For others to reply, no you do not. The Author and the publisher Random House owns it, you just own a copy of the license they provided to you. Really? Great.

The matter happening here, is you buy a book, and Mr Newell and MS say, you need to pay more money to access the book you already own. That really is, what this is about. DRM, all the rest.

The question is, do they have a Right? Yes. Why? Because these online businesses, get away, with what really no other business can. Can that change? Yes. Will it change? Maybe. How long before it does? Who knows. Meanwhile, stick with consoles.

You don't own the book.
Just a physical license of it that you are free to read, give away, or resell.
You do not own the story or characters.