Do I own my games or not?

[Zoltan]

I was around back when STEAM started. It took time to trust them that they will be around long enough from buying the games that were on disk to buying them on steam and still owning them.

Now I am being told I don't own my games that games are only a service.

What the Hell !

We need to know if steam is sticking to the original plan that we own our games.

[Lystent]

AFAIK, EULAs are like contracts; additional rules on top of regional laws (as long as the regional law doesn't expressly prohibit any of the said "additional rules", I would assume). You enter the contract to be allowed to run the software by the developer and/or publisher, while violating the agreement supposedly gives them the grounds to "pull the plug".

However they originally planned on enforcing the agreements, let alone the ultimate legality of said agreements, isn't so clear to me. However, advances in DRM through the years, with their internet integration (and insufficient regard for EULA-abiding users, IMO), has given the software developers/publishers far greater enforcement capabilities.

There is also a lack of an "absolute standard" as far as I can tell. You got open source on one end, many variations in between where you are permitted to do varying degrees of modding, and a solid "No" on that end that dumped all the data for the DLCs and MTX into the base software's installation and/or are trying to run online servers without hackers, etc. ruining the fairness of the game.

[kitty]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Which, funny enough, would just actively encourage people to just push out shovelware.

as if we don't have enough shovelware in the store atm.
system should be linear to bring more profits for more sales. it is now, right?

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Programs like iTunes had special permissions to allow them to be copied to the program and added to players.

had but not anymore. I purchased audio albums from iTunes (in fact it's now one of the few platforms where you still can purchase audio files for PC and offline usage after google's music kicked the bucket). guess what, I can move, copy, use these audio files as I want so it is already an improvement over old times.

[Badb0ym3talpunch3r_78]

cool

[Ben Lubar]

{draconian} kitty eredeti hozzászólása:

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Which, funny enough, would just actively encourage people to just push out shovelware.

as if we don't have enough shovelware in the store atm.
system should be linear to bring more profits for more sales. it is now, right?

No, games that make tens of millions of dollars get a larger cut of the revenue.

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/1697191267930157838

[Zoltan]

Ben Lubar eredeti hozzászólása:

{draconian} kitty eredeti hozzászólása:

as if we don't have enough shovelware in the store atm.
system should be linear to bring more profits for more sales. it is now, right?

No, games that make tens of millions of dollars get a larger cut of the revenue.

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/1697191267930157838

I don't have any idea how this compares to the previous agreement? Are they getting less greedy?

I am sure they are thinking about the next top game that is getting released in a week.

Are they getting the 75% or the 25%?

[Lixire]

Zoltan eredeti hozzászólása:

Ben Lubar eredeti hozzászólása:

No, games that make tens of millions of dollars get a larger cut of the revenue.

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/1697191267930157838

I don't have any idea how this compares to the previous agreement? Are they getting less greedy?

I am sure they are thinking about the next top game that is getting released in a week.

Are they getting the 75% or the 25%?

The developers getting the larger cut of 75%. while 25% goes to Valve

[Lystent]

{draconian} kitty eredeti hozzászólása:

...
had but not anymore. I purchased audio albums from iTunes (in fact it's now one of the few platforms where you still can purchase audio files for PC and offline usage after google's music kicked the bucket). guess what, I can move, copy, use these audio files as I want so it is already an improvement over old times.

I don't bother with Spotify, myself. I've done a great deal of music listening when I am very severed from the internet, starting with a portable tape deck, moving through portable CD and MP3 players, and landing on my phone. Speaking of which, when Google's music player "kicked the bucket", they also bricked the player as a local file player. They were directing people to then download and use Youtube's music player. I tried that just long enough to figure out how garbage it was with local files among other things, then proceeded to find and install another application that not only was designed just for offline playing of local files, but had superior functionality of that over even Googl'e player (before the brick, mind).

[PaganGamer2025]

I know I'm older than some of you, but this was a similar argument being held in the late 80s into the 90s where people were 'ripping' CDS and the RIAA said 'That we purchase the hardware (the record, CD, cassette tape, ect) but not the works pertained on it

[RiO]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

The cmos battery dying isn't it breaking. Just like the batteries dying in a remote doesn't mean the remote is broken.

So you buy a used one. As long as you have your HD, you have your games. My systems all have external HDs i bought separately.

If the CMOS battery in a PS3, PS4 or PS5 goes dead, the internal DRM clock resets to -1 and all digital licenses will fail DRM checks until the DRM clock has resynced. Said resync happens via receiving a new seed value via encrypted network response from a logged in session on PSN.

In other words: as soon as Sony pulls support to sign in to PSN on those consoles, then you can replace their dead CMOS batteries with as much still living samples as you want - it will get you nothing.

[Boblin the Goblin]

RiO eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

So you buy a used one. As long as you have your HD, you have your games. My systems all have external HDs i bought separately.

If the CMOS battery in a PS3, PS4 or PS5 goes dead, the internal DRM clock resets to -1 and all digital licenses will fail DRM checks until the DRM clock has resynced. Said resync happens via receiving a new seed value via encrypted network response from a logged in session on PSN.

In other words: as soon as Sony pulls support to sign in to PSN on those consoles, then you can replace their dead CMOS batteries with as much still living samples as you want - it will get you nothing.

But if it's unplugged, how does it know it needs an updated seed?

I'm joking by the way.

[xBCxRangers]

RiO eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

So you buy a used one. As long as you have your HD, you have your games. My systems all have external HDs i bought separately.

If the CMOS battery in a PS3, PS4 or PS5 goes dead, the internal DRM clock resets to -1 and all digital licenses will fail DRM checks until the DRM clock has resynced. Said resync happens via receiving a new seed value via encrypted network response from a logged in session on PSN.

In other words: as soon as Sony pulls support to sign in to PSN on those consoles, then you can replace their dead CMOS batteries with as much still living samples as you want - it will get you nothing.

Right researching that, that's way overblown, and i think PS4 may fixed that anyway. What about 360? Same thing there?

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

RiO eredeti hozzászólása:

If the CMOS battery in a PS3, PS4 or PS5 goes dead, the internal DRM clock resets to -1 and all digital licenses will fail DRM checks until the DRM clock has resynced. Said resync happens via receiving a new seed value via encrypted network response from a logged in session on PSN.

In other words: as soon as Sony pulls support to sign in to PSN on those consoles, then you can replace their dead CMOS batteries with as much still living samples as you want - it will get you nothing.

Right researching that, that's way overblown, and i think PS4 may fixed that anyway. What about 360? Same thing there?

Anything with a CMOS battery. So any modern console.

If it doesn't have one, it would reset the clock when you shut down the console or it loses power from the socket.

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

Right researching that, that's way overblown, and i think PS4 may fixed that anyway. What about 360? Same thing there?

Anything with a CMOS battery. So any modern console.

If it doesn't have one, it would reset the clock when you shut down the console or it loses power from the socket.

Is 360 considered a modern console that has such a function? Anyhow, don't matter, there's a much more of a chance your HD goes then that ever happening. But it would seem to me, if it does happen, it means it's "broke" lol.

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

Anything with a CMOS battery. So any modern console.

If it doesn't have one, it would reset the clock when you shut down the console or it loses power from the socket.

Is 360 considered a modern console that has such a function? Anyhow, don't matter, there's a much more of a chance your HD goes then that ever happening. But it would seem to me, if it does happen, it means it's "broke" lol.

You were already told the 360 had a CMOS battery.

It doesn't matter if you HDD breaks. If the CMOS batter is dead, you cannot play anything that isn't on a CD. Nothing. Zilch.

All digital purchases/content are lost until it can connect to the servers(if they are active) with a new CMOS battery.

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

Is 360 considered a modern console that has such a function? Anyhow, don't matter, there's a much more of a chance your HD goes then that ever happening. But it would seem to me, if it does happen, it means it's "broke" lol.

You were already told the 360 had a CMOS battery.

It doesn't matter if you HDD breaks. If the CMOS batter is dead, you cannot play anything that isn't on a CD. Nothing. Zilch.

All digital purchases/content are lost until it can connect to the servers(if they are active) with a new CMOS battery.

Right, and so the console would be, broken. And what brought this on, is we've already established if something breaks, whether it's your 100 dollar console, or 1000 dollar graphic card, or your HD, or whatever, things break.

Other than that, knowing that things break, if you want to own your games, you have to go to console.