Steam on Xbox

[Citizen Cook]

The internet is buzzing over Phil Spencer’s latest comments to Polygon with many speculating that he’s alluding to the idea of opening up the Xbox consoles to allow other storefronts like Steam to work on the currently closed platform.

I think this would be great. We see developers targeting Steam Deck and the benefits of developing for a fixed platform, the same benefits would obviously apply to Xbox.
But how would Microsoft monetise this?

Personally, I’m clambering for a Steam console and this would be the next best thing.

Thoughts?

https://www.polygon.com/24108670/xbox-epic-games-store-phil-spencer-interview

[xBCxRangers]

Citizen Cook eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Your very mistaken. Playstation and PS5 have had record breaking sales are doing phenomenal.

Xbox is the one struggling. PS5 has nearly twice the market share that xbox has as Microsofot has been struggling for a while. The newer xbox consoles are doing horrible. They've been outsold by the PS5 nearly 3:1 in the last year because of their abysmal selection of games which has always been Microsoft's problem.

PlayStation is having great sales, but the operating costs are so high the actual profit isn’t that great.

That's what i tried to explain to him. Hopefully they did better than PS4, being the game demography has grown a great deal in more than a decade. But the overall costs may mean they're losing money. Idt they're doing any better than Xbox tbh, but that's a guess.

In short, hardware sales are in no way to gauge overall profits.

And btw OP, thank you for the link. Hopefully we see movement in this regard. I think it would be great for gamers.

[Citizen Cook]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

Citizen Cook eredeti hozzászólása:

PlayStation is having great sales, but the operating costs are so high the actual profit isn’t that great.

That's what i tried to explain to him. Hopefully they did better than PS4, being the game demography has grown a great deal in more than a decade. But the overall costs may mean they're losing money. Idt they're doing any better than Xbox tbh, but that's a guess.

In short, hardware sales are in no way to gauge overall profits.

PlayStation’s interim CEO recently said he was unhappy with the profit margins on hardware and software.

[MonkehMaster]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

Citizen Cook eredeti hozzászólása:

PlayStation is having great sales, but the operating costs are so high the actual profit isn’t that great.

That's what i tried to explain to him. Hopefully they did better than PS4, being the game demography has grown a great deal in more than a decade. But the overall costs may mean they're losing money. Idt they're doing any better than Xbox tbh, but that's a guess.

i imagine if these game devs didnt spend 100's of millions on "making" their games, they would likely make more money.

but when you see what they release (most of the time, some are good), you assume most of the money went to advertising...lol

thats why i tend to stick with very good indie's now a days, while researching every bit of info i can before even deciding, majority is watching streams/vids so i know what the gameplay and performance looks like even if im basically spoiling the story/ect.. for myself.

better safe than sorry when it comes to the money.

[xBCxRangers]

Citizen Cook eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

That's what i tried to explain to him. Hopefully they did better than PS4, being the game demography has grown a great deal in more than a decade. But the overall costs may mean they're losing money. Idt they're doing any better than Xbox tbh, but that's a guess.

In short, hardware sales are in no way to gauge overall profits.

PlayStation’s interim CEO recently said he was unhappy with the profit margins on hardware and software.

Yep, again, it's tough over at PS right now, and so i'm not understanding the arguments how great they're doing. Over on IGN, both Xbox and PS seem to be having some big problems. Its the focus of some pretty "vigorous' conversations over there lol.

[xBCxRangers]

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

That's what i tried to explain to him. Hopefully they did better than PS4, being the game demography has grown a great deal in more than a decade. But the overall costs may mean they're losing money. Idt they're doing any better than Xbox tbh, but that's a guess.

i imagine if these game devs didnt spend 100's of millions on "making" their games, they would likely make more money.

but when you see what they release (most of the time, some are good), you assume most of the money went to advertising...lol

thats why i tend to stick with very good indie's now a days, while researching every bit of info i can before even deciding, majority is watching streams/vids so i know what the gameplay and performance looks like even if im basically spoiling the story/ect.. for myself.

better safe than sorry when it comes to the money.

Oh i think that's the issue. The games stink lol. And so if Sony's IP's are the same ole, and Xbox not really doing anything (it seems Starfield may be a dud), it's gonna cause issues.

And even more problematic for Xbox, is you don't need the new machines. It's like they're purposely making you "not" buy their machines, being you can get their new games, and more next gen games, thru their GP streaming, or thru GFN here on Steam for even cheaper, and play it thru their old system.

Which you cant do with PS. You have to buy the newer machines to get the newer games.

But yeah, i'm with the older more niche titles, i enjoy them, and when i see "one' man creating a game like Easy Red 2, and doing more on that, alone, that many of these Triple A's offer, it's obvious there's a disconnect with these Triple A devs.

[Brian9824]

Citizen Cook eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

That's what i tried to explain to him. Hopefully they did better than PS4, being the game demography has grown a great deal in more than a decade. But the overall costs may mean they're losing money. Idt they're doing any better than Xbox tbh, but that's a guess.

In short, hardware sales are in no way to gauge overall profits.

PlayStation’s interim CEO recently said he was unhappy with the profit margins on hardware and software.

Well yeah, prices of everything have gone up and the console is still the same price. That eats into everyone's profit and will lower your margins. They make up some of it with games, but everyone is looking to cut costs right now to deal with the change in markets.

Its still profitable however and still selling, even if the profit margin isn't as good as they want it to be.

[xBCxRangers]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Citizen Cook eredeti hozzászólása:

PlayStation’s interim CEO recently said he was unhappy with the profit margins on hardware and software.

Well yeah, prices of everything have gone up and the console is still the same price. That eats into everyone's profit and will lower your margins. They make up some of it with games, but everyone is looking to cut costs right now to deal with the change in markets.

Its still profitable however and still selling, even if the profit margin isn't as good as they want it to be.

Well it's probably because we're not in their boardrooms. Expectations the media and what we are told are great numbers, may not at all be what was in fact targeted internally.

As i said, it's great it's beating PS4, but it should be. If it did not they'd probably be in big trouble just given the gaming demography and opening markets since PS4.

Same with these video games. It may "seem" they're doing exceptionally well, but in the boardrooms, given the costs of development and other matters, may have well missed the mark. They're not gonna tell us that. Until we see the closing studios and layoffs.

But i think you were right what you said about Xbox. But again, they just don't want to sell consoles as PS does.

They may indeed want to get out of the market they're in, and to something else as the OP is citing one. But they can afford to do that. Sony cannot.

[Brian9824]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

. But they can afford to do that. Sony cannot.

Sony can easily afford to do it if they wanted, there just is no reason to as unlike Xbox their console remains desirable and their games sell.

PlayStation is a small part of Sony's overall revenue stream just like Xbox is a small part of Microsoft.

The only difference is people still want a PlayStation.

[xBCxRangers]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

. But they can afford to do that. Sony cannot.

Sony can easily afford to do it if they wanted, there just is no reason to as unlike Xbox their console remains desirable and their games sell.

PlayStation is a small part of Sony's overall revenue stream just like Xbox is a small part of Microsoft.

The only difference is people still want a PlayStation.

I think what we're going to be seeing in the future, is not focus on games themselves, but "access" and more ways to access games.

And i think Spencer seems to be alluding too that, in trying to end Exclusivity, and move more to access.

Sony is still stuck on Spiderman, and Windows not within their ecosystem as it is with Xbox, Steam, Epic, GFN and others, which gives them the avenues Sony does not have.

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Sony can easily afford to do it if they wanted, there just is no reason to as unlike Xbox their console remains desirable and their games sell.

PlayStation is a small part of Sony's overall revenue stream just like Xbox is a small part of Microsoft.

The only difference is people still want a PlayStation.

I think what we're going to be seeing in the future, is not focus on games themselves, but "access" and more ways to access games.

And i think Spencer seems to be alluding too that, in trying to end Exclusivity, and move more to access.

Sony is still stuck on Spiderman, and Windows not within their ecosystem as it is with Xbox, Steam, Epic, GFN and others, which gives them the avenues Sony does not have.

A lot of things "thought" has no basis outside of an axe to grind.

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

I think what we're going to be seeing in the future, is not focus on games themselves, but "access" and more ways to access games.

And i think Spencer seems to be alluding too that, in trying to end Exclusivity, and move more to access.

Sony is still stuck on Spiderman, and Windows not within their ecosystem as it is with Xbox, Steam, Epic, GFN and others, which gives them the avenues Sony does not have.

A lot of things "thought" has no basis outside of an axe to grind.

Bad day at the office?

[Boblin the Goblin]

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

A lot of things "thought" has no basis outside of an axe to grind.

Bad day at the office?

Why would it be a bad day? I get to watch the same misinformation being spread after being corrected.

It's amusing.

[xBCxRangers]

SlowMango eredeti hozzászólása:

xBCxRangers eredeti hozzászólása:

Bad day at the office?

Why would it be a bad day? I get to watch the same misinformation being spread after being corrected.

It's amusing.

Glad to see you're having fun. Anything you'd like to add to the topic at hand? Or just the usual?

[R3dAlert93]

Haruspex eredeti hozzászólása:

So, just a low-cost PC with an XBox logo slapped on it?

That "low-cost PC with an XBox logo slapped on it" will be expensive lol

[Citizen Cook]

Bring3rOfPain495 eredeti hozzászólása:

Haruspex eredeti hozzászólása:

So, just a low-cost PC with an XBox logo slapped on it?

That "low-cost PC with an XBox logo slapped on it" will be expensive lol

You don’t think Microsoft would eat some of the cost the way they do already with Xbox? Even Valve sell the Steam Deck for as cheap as possible. Other PC manufacturers are grifting.