Moderation on Game forums with no accountability.

[The Gut]

Inconsistent moderation clearly cutting in the direction of people who like the game vs dislike the game is how game discussions boards are moderated.

I have been on the discussions in here for years, and have been banned for BS reasons time and time again.

This is the common theme.

Post: Hey see this problem and this problem with this game.

Comments from fanboys: "Troll post" or "bait thread."

Comments from anyone else: "Yes! I agree," or "That's your opinion, but I see it this way."

Then 500-1500 comments later a group of people who don't like the topic start a pretend fight with each other, report and get the thread locked. None of them are moderated for this effort, but the thread is locked. Happens all too often.

Then the topic is cherry picked about something in it, and I am told I am banned for making a post that was combative.

This unfair moderation makes me sick, and I am not sure why you guys think its cute to allow it.

Maybe 2 times ever have I been given a proper ban for flaming or actually trolling anyone because I devolved to anger and took the bait to enter flame wars or result to flat out insulting.

The rest are blatant mod abuse, it keeps happening over and over, and I have not been given any rule or example as to why I was banned, just some pie in the sky reason, then the Mods here on Discord read my appeal and stay with the ban decision.

What is this guys?

I suggest you guys stop being against people who are critical of games here, because that is the essence of forums and discussion. Instead you guys curate and foster these insular communities where fanboyism runs rampant, it becomes a complete echo chamber where people who identify with games here will lash out in anger and dogpile topics like henchmen for the developers and mods, so people can be removed for inconvenient topics and opinions.

Is this really how you guys want to do business? This is very dishonest, and looks terrible.

[Mad Scientist]

Rainbow Dash님이 먼저 게시:

bump, this has been a thing since basically forever

here in this thread https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/0/4842022700076678829/

OP makes the point that he's interested in the game but is not buying it because the game has dlc abuse (not only it has dlc, but it has hundreds of it and the sum costs half a thousand, and all that content is already downloaded and shown (and for events, used) in game, the game just prevents players from using them)

i reported many posts from trolls, some examples almost all back to back : "BAIT", "have a nice day.", "> deposit clown points here <", "No one will miss you, bye.", "k, bye", "Oh no.... Anyway.."

these posts were not deleted, the users were not banned, and a valve moderator simply locked the thread for being "no longer relevant to the initial topic". the previous comment before his, that was replying to mine with a misleading lie (endgame content and many quests require being connected to the game servers to be played, yet he claims that we can play the game without internet) is also still there. so instead of deleting the troll posts from angry fanboys and shills, the thread is locked. meanwhile, it's common for valid criticism to be censored and users being banned from threads, notably baseless/lying threads that make praises for a game

the biases are pretty clear and that's without considering how companies themselves do not have to comply to steam rules and can freely censor, insult, defame and harass users, and transmit this "ability" to powerhungry bootlicking volunteers

Users aren't going to get banned because an individual dislikes their replies. That would be a little "powerhungry" to want to have people acted upon for standard replies, no?

Also doesn't seem particularly relevant since that's about OPTIONAL DECORATIVE DLC and not moderation.

High res texture pack; free
Hairstyles; Free
Some stickers/gestures; free
Mini figurines; optional cosmetic dlc.

Thus, their thread about "dlc abuse" has little to do with moderation, and is hardly "abuse" though I generally recommend Devs include a lot in DLCs, not a decent amount of micro-DLCs but it's likely made to fund further development which is also nothing new.

The interesting take here is wanting others normal posts actioned upon, while doing this;

Rainbow Dash님이 먼저 게시:

angry fanboys and shills

Rainbow Dash님이 먼저 게시:

powerhungry bootlicking volunteers

[Start_Running]

You're surprised that game forum owners would tend not to like peoiple talking ♥♥♥♥ about their products?

Welcome to the real world m8 where people tend not to want you around when you talk ♥♥♥♥ about them and if you do it in their home or in their place of business they gonna remove you from those premises.

[♔V3RD1CT]

The Gut님이 먼저 게시:

Inconsistent moderation clearly cutting in the direction of people who like the game vs dislike the game is how game discussions boards are moderated.

I have been on the discussions in here for years, and have been banned for BS reasons time and time again.

This is the common theme.

Post: Hey see this problem and this problem with this game.

Comments from fanboys: "Troll post" or "bait thread."

Comments from anyone else: "Yes! I agree," or "That's your opinion, but I see it this way."

Then 500-1500 comments later a group of people who don't like the topic start a pretend fight with each other, report and get the thread locked. None of them are moderated for this effort, but the thread is locked. Happens all too often.

Then the topic is cherry picked about something in it, and I am told I am banned for making a post that was combative.

This unfair moderation makes me sick, and I am not sure why you guys think its cute to allow it.

Maybe 2 times ever have I been given a proper ban for flaming or actually trolling anyone because I devolved to anger and took the bait to enter flame wars or result to flat out insulting.

The rest are blatant mod abuse, it keeps happening over and over, and I have not been given any rule or example as to why I was banned, just some pie in the sky reason, then the Mods here on Discord read my appeal and stay with the ban decision.

What is this guys?

I suggest you guys stop being against people who are critical of games here, because that is the essence of forums and discussion. Instead you guys curate and foster these insular communities where fanboyism runs rampant, it becomes a complete echo chamber where people who identify with games here will lash out in anger and dogpile topics like henchmen for the developers and mods, so people can be removed for inconvenient topics and opinions.

Is this really how you guys want to do business? This is very dishonest, and looks terrible.

Ok I'll start near the bottom. You ask, what is this guys?
First and foremost it is fraud.
You nailed it a little bit acknowledging that people are erased, targeted, bullied, victimized, and ostracized for often having correct opinions about games. Each individual criminal forum uses personal bias of the individual mods to directly ostracize anything they do not like.
AND NO since the forums are FOR discussing games, NOT THE STRICT PROMOTION OF, it is criminal bullying, and targeting of anything they do not like. It also runs much deeper like you mentioned, where these fkn psychopaths will use groups of friends, and essentially racist mobs to mass report any honest answer on any forum. I have personally proven, and watched for years these sickos use personal abuse in every forum to ♥♥♥♥ on everything they don't like. THIS OFTEN falls under them making the forum a secret pro fascist agenda. Constantly spoon feeding ignorant racism into every forum, and allowing it to be presented under the illusion of political chat or the likes.


-There is no point in giving examples. You fascists present racist samples to us EVERY SINGLE DAY here on Steam in many chat forums. Promoting your Zionist bs, and pro genocidal beliefs onto us over and over again. Plus every time you give a perfect example and proof here some disgusting gaslighting degenerate will literally respond like they are getting paid to do so for the continued protection of the pro fascist agenda on Steam.

You think this does not tie together well you're all wrong. The goal is to constantly bash children, and the younger generation with ignorant, lying, and racist rhetoric. If not to instill hatred for your fellow man for no reason it's then instead used to manipulate the honesty of any given product at any given time for sales. AGAIN NOT A DISCUSSION FORUM based on what you disgusting criminals ban which is honesty in all forms just like Reddit. Human sht doing what human sht does best, hurting us for their own hatred.


You also will never accomplish anything mentioning all this, or having acknowledged that you're a victim like many of us on Steam. Steam will simply harass, further bully, use forums to victimize you, and blatantly gaslight the reality of your situation to protect their fascist fraud. Furthermore there's nothing any of you can do about it due to the system in place.
The systems in place, WHICH NONE OF YOU READ, shows clear as day the rules for mods are not rules for them but TOOLS to further harm others at will through bs bans based on opinion. On top of this mods are intentionally hired separately from Steam so the disgusting criminal support system in Steam never has to take any responsibility for the criminal targeted bullying, and fraud these mods often commit.

[xBCxRangers]

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

You're surprised that game forum owners would tend not to like peoiple talking ♥♥♥♥ about their products?

Welcome to the real world m8 where people tend not to want you around when you talk ♥♥♥♥ about them and if you do it in their home or in their place of business they gonna remove you from those premises.

Well it would seem it's Valve's place of business. Not theirs. We buy the games from Steam, not the devs game hubs, that are more or less like a trade show, where they show their wares.

It's not up to them to throw you out. But the whoever is running the expo.

This place is def in need of mass reform, but again, that's up to Steam. Unless of course it gets out of hand, and then out of their hands as well.

[Tito Shivan]

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

You're surprised that game forum owners would tend not to like peoiple talking ♥♥♥♥ about their products?

Walk into a pub and start talking ♥♥♥♥ about the home football team. See what happens.

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

Well it would seem it's Valve's place of business. Not theirs.

It would seem, but you're wrong.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

You're surprised that game forum owners would tend not to like peoiple talking ♥♥♥♥ about their products?

Welcome to the real world m8 where people tend not to want you around when you talk ♥♥♥♥ about them and if you do it in their home or in their place of business they gonna remove you from those premises.

Well it would seem it's Valve's place of business. Not theirs. We buy the games from Steam, not the devs game hubs, that are more or less like a trade show, where they show their wares.

It's not up to them to throw you out. But the whoever is running the expo.

This place is def in need of mass reform, but again, that's up to Steam. Unless of course it gets out of hand, and then out of their hands as well.

Except Valve has decided they DO get to throw people out, and as you said, it's Valve's platform, they GET to make that decision.

[xBCxRangers]

Malfunctioning Robot님이 먼저 게시:

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

Well it would seem it's Valve's place of business. Not theirs. We buy the games from Steam, not the devs game hubs, that are more or less like a trade show, where they show their wares.

It's not up to them to throw you out. But the whoever is running the expo.

This place is def in need of mass reform, but again, that's up to Steam. Unless of course it gets out of hand, and then out of their hands as well.

Except Valve has decided they DO get to throw people out, and as you said, it's Valve's platform, they GET to make that decision.

Well all they're doing, is delegating their responsiblities (Valve) to others. But ultimately, being it's Valves property and store, not the game developers, Valve is ultimately responsible for what transpires there, i would think.

If the game developers have their own site, that is their property, and as was said, obviously can throw you out.

Whats happening here as far as the rules, are ambiguity, and that ambiguity may be something that may come of the latest change in Terms, where can see a case of who is "ultimately" responsible, and if Valve wants to hold the bag, for others.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

Malfunctioning Robot님이 먼저 게시:

Except Valve has decided they DO get to throw people out, and as you said, it's Valve's platform, they GET to make that decision.

Well all they're doing, is delegating their responsiblities (Valve) to others. But ultimately, being it's Valves property, not the game developers, Valve is ultimately responsible for what transpires there, i would think.

Thats why you were never paid to think. Not very good at it :P

[Tito Shivan]

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

If the game developers have their own site, that is their property, and as was said, obviously can throw you out.

Whats happening here as far as the rules, are ambiguity, and that ambiguity may be something that may come of the latest change in Terms, where can see a case of who is "ultimately" responsible, and if Valve wants to hold the bag, for others.

You wouldn't understand the concept of middleware even if you were slapped with it.

[Start_Running]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

You're surprised that game forum owners would tend not to like peoiple talking ♥♥♥♥ about their products?

Walk into a pub and start talking ♥♥♥♥ about the home football team. See what happens.

I did that once. still have the scar.

[xBCxRangers]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

If the game developers have their own site, that is their property, and as was said, obviously can throw you out.

Whats happening here as far as the rules, are ambiguity, and that ambiguity may be something that may come of the latest change in Terms, where can see a case of who is "ultimately" responsible, and if Valve wants to hold the bag, for others.

You wouldn't understand the concept of middleware even if you were slapped with it.

Well i think what's happening here Tito, are too many ambiguities.

First, what Valve is doing, is admirable. They came out with a free service, of peer to peer help features, on the games they decide to sell.

They don't have to do that. But it's "free", and they don't have anywhere near the manpower, to provide that help.

For we on consoles, we generally go to reddit or other avenues for that help. And so Mr Newell should be lauded for providing such a service.

The issue has clearly become, the people he entrusted to monitor his store and wares he sells, may not be on the up and up. In some cases, i've seen with receipts, literal crooks selling games on Steam, taking peoples money and running,

In short, having the wolves guard the hen house.

In the end, if a complaint on that developer was filed. The complaint would not go to Barcelona. It would go to Bellevue WA, and would be they, responsible to tend to the complaint. Not the developer in Barcelona. At least in the interim.

And i think, given Mr Newell has so far gotten away with it, is why he continues it.

But matters are changing, and we need not go thru all that again. But in those changes, may be a bit too much responsibility for Valve to entrust others with.

[Animus]

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

But matters are changing, and we need not go thru all that again. But in those changes, may be a bit too much responsibility for Valve to entrust others with.

You've been saying for a year now, With nothing actually happening the entire time but your continued willful spread of misinformation, rumors, and accusations.

[xBCxRangers]

Animus님이 먼저 게시:

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

But matters are changing, and we need not go thru all that again. But in those changes, may be a bit too much responsibility for Valve to entrust others with.

You've been saying for a year now, With nothing actually happening the entire time but your continued willful spread of misinformation, rumors, and accusations.

If you're not seeing what's happening right before our eyes, there is no use conversing.

Though i should "edit" and say, we are talking to people all across the world here. And it may be true, in your neck of the woods, nothing is happening.

But here in the States, its happening. One happening, in the middle of the night to customers here, whilst playing their games.

And so, if you live in Europe or elsewhere, you are likely not seeing anything, and i can understand a comment to me that would silly, but to others, not. That should be said as well.

[The Commendatore]

This did not need a bump.

[Animus]

MrNewell123님이 먼저 게시:

Animus님이 먼저 게시:

You've been saying for a year now, With nothing actually happening the entire time but your continued willful spread of misinformation, rumors, and accusations.

If you're not seeing what's happening right before our eyes, there is no use conversing.

Yes because you don't have an obvious bias against moderation/Steam for allowing the ATS devs to perm ban you from their forums due to your continued harassment of them.