Interesting problem with steams review fraud

[76561199559798421]

Its just been discovered that Steams Review Fraud is real,
the reality of this is reflected directly on the developers page showing the follower users.

200k reviews of a product with only 5000 follows of the developer is very suspicious steam is not doing enough to cover up the review fraud they are committing for profit in the reflected marketing of reviews they are providing.

we as customers expect better steam, please stop disappointing your paying customers by continuing to engage in this fallacy

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the use of bots in the steam review system suggest there is a loop hole somewhere within the owning the game and being a full time account on steam.

two and really only two methods seem approachable.

method 1. is Independent from steam the game developers are creating there own 100K Bots and steam accounts awarding the games on steam to them. which would cost them an awful lot of money due to the fact steam would get 30% of the profit.

method 2. is steam is behind the mass review fraud, steam awards the games for free to the bot accounts in effort from the developers over looking payment in exchange for upticks to create a popularity contest drive market.

method 2 seems the most cost effective, it does two things, it helps the developer get attention, and creates a fake population of users on steam that helps support the narrative of 30 million users. without it steams review system would surprisingly small which can be actually noticed on 1000's of games that have less then 5000 reviews, notable games that have been on steam for years, created by well known gaming studios.


it is ironic that here are all the same steam people trying to hard to cover up the facts. yes you are all known to me, yes i enjoy your comments all across the forum threads, i see them all posted very often, and yes i identify most of you as Steam.

Due to the policies you engage in , the actions of words you seek to try and enforce and the over all heated mood of the replies made.

lets put our personal opinions aside of one another, and focus on Method 2.

Steam being purposely controlled and manipulated by a illegal review bot farm could have some serious implications of lawsuits against steam.

[76561199559798421]

Libelous accusations can be considered fraud on the review system as well, as its all written, i would suggest strongly and advise steam to not engage in Libelous accusations of its products, both good or bad.

they have actual reason to worry.

[Qbert ⭐]

Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:

Publicado originalmente por Rin:

https://steamdb.info/app/2881650/charts/
Reviews: 29,036
Steam Purcahases: 997

This game is doing what it known as upvote botting meaning you are making something popular when it's not. Even said free key reviews will pop up over the real deal.

In other words Valve is recommending what they tried to stop. Funny isn't it?

It does not matter if they had a free day to claim the game for free, the fact is that they made it even possible do such a thing.

So wait.

It's botting when they were literally giving the game away?

I guess they did a horrible job considering at its peak player count, the review number is 1/10 of that amount.

And this was a few days ago.

He linked steamdb and it shows over 60k players... he shot himself in the foot

The rest is just denying evidence their claims are false, in the end, this thread became a huge bait again

[76561199559798421]

no bait intended its just declaring a issue wrong within steam, keep this in mind.

it would only take 1 single review within steam to be found containing the same IP address as one of steams, to create a huge influx of lawsuits against the company exposing steam as manipulating its own review system.

just a single review being traced back to steam would open the flood gates of 1000's of steam developers who would seek restitution for steam manipulation into the market.

[Tito Shivan]

Publicado originalmente por Rin:

Card bot farms/farming is a thing yet both Valve and the majority ignores it.

Except Valve actually acted upon it. They added the 'Steam is learning about this game' to curb games which it's only purpose was to drop cards to sell on the market.

Likewise for games designed to give thousands of achievements.

If they were so 'all about the money' they would have not made those changes and keep reaping their share from all those purchases and marketplace transactions.

[KalGimpa]

Publicado originalmente por Everyone is Invited:

no bait intended its just declaring a issue wrong within steam, keep this in mind.

it would only take 1 single review within steam to be found containing the same IP address as one of steams, to create a huge influx of lawsuits against the company exposing steam as manipulating its own review system.

just a single review being traced back to steam would open the flood gates of 1000's of steam developers who would seek restitution for steam manipulation into the market.

it is an issue to you

you ignore that many of us have said that we do not follow anyone

even though we have lots of games

and called us bots

the

"what if"

about steam posting their own reviews is just that


just like any other

"what if they were found breaking the law...."

thread

if they were found to do it it would be bad

just like those threads though

it is also a thoroughly passive aggressive, fearmongering move

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Publicado originalmente por Everyone is Invited:

i think it takes days for steam to cover up its tracks, change numbers around make it look believable, everything today is basically updated instantly, that is one of the key concepts of the online industry, we don't wait weeks or a month to see sale data.

it would be totally disgrace for steam to pretend any of it was "estimations" we are all expecting factual data, you using the term "estimation" suggests that steam has been using "Estimations" without factual proof of declared numbers for a long, which might actually account for the "Over Estimation" of a non existent population in a barren waste land of empty games.

You trying to commit libel does not equate to Steam committing fraud.

[76561197960287930]

Publicado originalmente por Everyone is Invited:

Interesting problem with steams review fraud

Keep making list of reported specious reviews not dealt with, and forward them to the FTC to look at. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/01/ftc-hold-informal-hearing-proposed-rule-banning-fake-reviews-testimonials

There have been 1000's of reviews posted for CS2 and DOTA 2, from apparent bot account armies that Valve has ignored. You find them in Steam Groups, you can see them scoling in Most Recent or looking at the graphs for days of unusually high review posts on days for past months.

I've had a open ticket with support and mentioned the issue. It's obvious by their non actions on those still seen reviews, that they don't care.

Support had the nerve to tell me that showing people public Steam user reviews URL's by bot accounts is name and shame, and implying bad behavior. I guess as if maybe as if, they don't consider fraud bad behavior. So. I told them I'd continue to show them to the FTC instead. Name and Shame.

[Zefar]

Publicado originalmente por 76561197960287930:

Publicado originalmente por Everyone is Invited:

Interesting problem with steams review fraud

Keep making list of reported specious reviews not dealt with, and forward them to the FTC to look at. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/01/ftc-hold-informal-hearing-proposed-rule-banning-fake-reviews-testimonials

There have been 1000's of reviews posted for CS2 and DOTA 2, from apparent bot account armies that Valve has ignored. You find them in Steam Groups, you can see them scoling in Most Recent or looking at the graphs for days of unusually high review posts on days for past months.

I've had a open ticket with support and mentioned the issue. It's obvious by their non actions on those still seen reviews, that they don't care.

Support had the nerve to tell me that showing people public Steam user reviews URL's by bot accounts is name and shame, and implying bad behavior. I guess as if maybe as if, they don't consider it bad behavior.

So how do you know it's bots?
Also CS2 is the most popular game on Steam and one of the most well known FPS game in the world.

It getting a ton of reviews isn't out of the ordinary.

[76561197960287930]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

So how do you know it's bots?
Also CS2 is the most popular game on Steam and one of the most well known FPS game in the world.

It getting a ton of reviews isn't out of the ordinary.

When they all have the same damn name and post the same damn reviews in short span in a games Most Recent. And all belong to the same groups and or all have the same friends with similar profiles, and the exact same games in account It's no doubt scripted. The ones that were spamming CS2 reviews have let up a bit.

DOTA go count the number of accounts that simply say The Best Game - start looking at the names , the groups, profiles the games in the accounts and or friends and see the similarities.

[76561199559798421]

the only reviews i would expect from csgo 2 would be negative , as the games full of cheating and the skin trading scams, the fact csgo 2 / csgo is given 2000 upticks a day for the past 10 years also is suspicious. it can easily be considered the primary proof of steams review fraud scam, and csgo 2 should have actual list of the users posting the reviews so the bot accounts can be recorded.

i mean really whos going to make a new steam account and buy csgo or spend 5 dollars to post a review on csgo 2. its just a weird and shameful scam steam is trying to pass on all of us

there is no reason to expect any type of continued review of csgo 2 steam is behind it all.

[Zefar]

Publicado originalmente por 76561197960287930:

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

So how do you know it's bots?
Also CS2 is the most popular game on Steam and one of the most well known FPS game in the world.

It getting a ton of reviews isn't out of the ordinary.

When they all have the same damn name and post the same damn reviews in short span in a games Most Recent. And all belong to the same groups and or all have the same friends with similar profiles, and the exact same games in account It's no doubt scripted. The ones that were spamming CS2 reviews have let up a bit.

DOTA go count the number of accounts that simply say The Best Game - start looking at the names , the groups, profiles the games in the accounts and or friends and see the similarities.

Just went and looked. Saw none of that.


These people also have a gameplay time that varies between 10 hours to 2000+ hours.

[76561197960287930]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Just went and looked. Saw none of that.
These people also have a gameplay time that varies between 10 hours to 2000+ hours.

well you're not looking hard enough former moderator. Look at DOTA 2 graph March 20 2024. Go scroll Most Recent until you get to that date. You'll see them.

There are other dates in the graph too. I have list of them. But I can't share them with you here. Maybe in private? Anyone?

[Mad Scientist]

Publicado originalmente por Everyone is Invited:

Libelous accusations can be considered fraud on the review system as well, as its all written, i would suggest strongly and advise steam to not engage in Libelous accusations of its products, both good or bad.

they have actual reason to worry.

Publicado originalmente por Everyone is Invited:

the only reviews i would expect from csgo 2 would be negative , as the games full of cheating and the skin trading scams, the fact csgo 2 / csgo is given 2000 upticks a day for the past 10 years also is suspicious. it can easily be considered the primary proof of steams review fraud scam, and csgo 2 should have actual list of the users posting the reviews so the bot accounts can be recorded.

i mean really whos going to make a new steam account and buy csgo or spend 5 dollars to post a review on csgo 2. its just a weird and shameful scam steam is trying to pass on all of us

there is no reason to expect any type of continued review of csgo 2 steam is behind it all.

You've had your fun for months with these fabrications & accusations, but I don't believe you realize how serious what you're doing is in terms of potential consequences of the legal nature to the individual level.

[Zefar]

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Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Just went and looked. Saw none of that.
These people also have a gameplay time that varies between 10 hours to 2000+ hours.

well you're not looking hard enough former moderator.

Looked through enough to not spot a single review that was exactly like another.

[76561197960287930]

Publicado originalmente por Zefar:

Publicado originalmente por 76561197960287930:

well you're not looking hard enough former moderator.

Looked through enough to not spot a single review that was exactly like another.

Like i said I have list. Want to private chat? I'll show you not like you can do anything but deny it anyway.

@76561199559798421 friend me let me send you some Steam urls. You can in turn file your own suspicious Steam User Review complaints with the FTC. Totally legal.

Go ahead look at the recent comment on my own profile, a user with the yellow BMW and PUBLIC The Best Game DOTA 2 user reviews. Thing is that's not even all the accounts, involved over the last 6 months is it Valve?