Is gaming dead? Review Or Summary

[Azuwi]

Have gaming become dead or reached it's stale period? Here is my thoughts, opinion, review, and summary on why.

Based on TTV and Steam Charts, among others, let's go through the stats for the games (period) of April 02/03 2024.

The most played games on Steam right now is:
1. Counter-Strike 2, with 468000 players, where it has peaked up to 1.5 mil previously (less than 1/3 of it's peak rate), this game was also released (CS:GO) in 2012, with minor/major updates depending how you see it, a 12 year old game.

2. Dota 2, 231k players, also had over triple amount of players during it's peak rate and a 11 year old game, released in 2013.

3. Helldivers 2, this is the first new game on the list, released this year 2024 in February, but has already lost over half of it's max player since then, is it gonna be like most other new games and die out?

4. Stardew Valley, came out in 2016, a 8 year old game, recently had a major update, so many players returned, but already about half have stopped since the big update, went from ~260k to 130k. Couple more months, and will be back to normal(?)

5. Tom clancy rainbow siege, released in 2015. A 9 year old game.

6. Call of Duty, well it's CoD.. maybe never dies out but not the biggest game either.

7. Baldur's Gate 3, came out in 2023, have dropped about half it's player base since the release

8. PUBG: Battlegrounds, released 2017, 7 years old, not also the biggest game, guess it's always gonna keep the player numbers around 70-80k, but far from it's peak one time at 750k+

9. Path of Exile, just recently had a new league launch, sitting at 71k players online, but will fade away as the league gets older. maybe to 15-30k. Came out 2013, 11 years old.

10. Apex Legends, came out 2019, 5 year old game, sititng at 64k players, always gonna have around I guess 70-80k players aswell (including the ones on EA platform)

That's the top 10.. Summary:
Most games are 5+ years old, exception new CoD, Baldurs Gate 3, Helldivers 2, odds are Helldivers 2 and Baldurs Gate 3 are slowly gonna lose player numbers as time goes on, all numbers in the list have lost over double of it's peak time. 7 games out of the 10 is 5-11 years old.

Twitch.tv:
Popular streamers who use to have 20k+ viewers have now only around at top 10kish viewers, including summit1g, shroud, etc. The most mainstream played games are GTA 5, released 2013, again a 11 year old game, rainbow six as mentioned earlier, Valorant (2020), League of legends (2009), Fortnite (2017), talking about Fortnite, who also had to use it's old OG map and game to draw in players from losing most of it's peak, Cod, Dota 2, CS2(GO), WoW (2004 - 20 years old) who had to bring in WOW Classic because also lost a big playerbase, TFT (part of LOL), Dead by daylight (2016) which is nothing more then a horror among us game in a mediocre unreal engine where all you do is repair generators or play as the killer, Apex legends, Minecraft (2011) , and others like Path of exile, Rust, depending on if there is a new league/launch event or a Twitch drop/Rust event ongoing on raising the viewers for a week or so.

Epic Store / EA Games / Ubisoft :
I think only a small fraction use these clients where Steam is the majority.

Conclusion: There is not a single new game that is "main stream" today that have came out in the last 3-4 years, exception Helldivers 2 which I think is not gonna be mainstream anymore in 1 year. Twitch viewers have dropped 100-200%, and majority of games that are being streamed is old games between 5-10 years old, Steam most played games aswell.

Example:
Go back in time to 2012, we had a major game came out that became main stream (and still up to this date) CS:GO, year after Dota 2, same story, plus Path of Exile, GTA 5, we had just some year earlier Minecraft came out, League of legends, fast forward 2-3 years, Rainbow siege, Stardew valley, Dead by daylight, year after PUBG, Fortnite, only 2 year later, Apex legends, year after Valorant.

What did we get the last 3-4 years? Nothing.
Revamp of CS:GO > CS2, revamp of Overwatch > Overwatch 2, revamp or reintroduce of WoW > WOW Classic, revamp or reintroduce Fortnite > Fortnite OG. Still most played games are 5-10 years old and lost alot of players since then, player numbers at peak low, viewers on twitch at peak low.

Still waiting for the "Next big game" that will make the list and stay there.

[miakisfan]

I took a look at your top 10 and the only game I have played on it is Path of Exile and that was some time back.

No longer a fan of multiplayer and that is where your list sits at.

Gaming will never be dead until no one is playing any games anymore. Even if development on games stops altogether you can't take away what has already been given.

I've been gaming since the 70's. I've played all types of games ... P+P games, Arcade games, console games (starting with Atari), board games, home computer (owned a TI994/A), and PC games. Can anyone take that away? No.

Gaming simply isn't the same as it used to be. You either adapt or get left behind. I don't mind being left behind because I believe the best gaming has had to offer us has already passed us by.

Look at the games on my profile and see how many are games made after 2020. There's your sign.

[cmcm]

Dead as Hollywood.

[Start_Running]

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You know devs are out of ideas when they copy each other. Content Warning copy and pasting Lethal Company also battle royales in every game.

That's always been a thing, though, and not just in gaming. It's just people trying to ride off the success of something popular.

Yup. That's the way it goes. Someone comes up with the idea and others see it, and iterate on it, or just package it better.. This has been a thing in gaming since day One. You had Pong, then you had Tenis, Then you had Tennis, ,, 1 v1 soccer, hockey, volleyball, etc...

And thats basically how the industry has managed to advance.

[Gökyüzü]

I have never understand streaming and twitch.
My reasoning was allways this "Why would i watch somebody else to play while i can play my self."

I use to love competitive games. But they repeat them selfs to much every game every round is excaly the same. Which it becomes boring so soon. Not to mention no one is having fun anymore. Because cheating is getting out of control. Skill based matchmaking litterly makes every game a living hell.

Normaly people play games to blow of some steam and relave them selfs from stress. They play competitive games and getting even more stressed.

I moved to single player and pve games about a 2 years ago completely give it up on competitive games and im happy with my desicion. There are still some exeptions toght like MK11 or Battlefield 2042 and only play them casualy now.
Battlefield doesnt have a skill based matchmaking it doesnt have a ranking system and this is why it didn't get infected by cheaters yet. This is why i can enjoy the game and since players are usualy casuals you rarely see any pro player that ruins the game for everyone.
MK11 has a skill based matchmaking. But skilled players are less than %0.01. Once you learned and mastered one character you can easly reach top %1 with in 100-150 match. I mean if you are beating hard or verry hard bots fair and square you are allready at top %1.

[veracsthane]

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I have never understand streaming and twitch.
My reasoning was allways this "Why would i watch somebody else to play while i can play my self."

I use to love competitive games. But they repeat them selfs to much every game every round is excaly the same. Which it becomes boring so soon. Not to mention no one is having fun anymore. Because cheating is getting out of control. Skill based matchmaking litterly makes every game a living hell.

Normaly people play games to blow of some steam and relave them selfs from stress. They play competitive games and getting even more stressed.

I moved to single player and pve games about a 2 years ago completely give it up on competitive games and im happy with my desicion. There are still some exeptions toght like MK11 or Battlefield 2042 and only play them casualy now.
Battlefield doesnt have a skill based matchmaking it doesnt have a ranking system and this is why it didn't get infected by cheaters yet. This is why i can enjoy the game and since players are usualy casuals you rarely see any pro player that ruins the game for everyone.
MK11 has a skill based matchmaking. But skilled players are less than %0.01. Once you learned and mastered one character you can easly reach top %1 with in 100-150 match. I mean if you are beating hard or verry hard bots fair and square you are allready at top %1.

kluas kellerman and world of tanks.

i can watch the man all day but i cant touch world of tanks without my blood boiling over and being soaked in hate for what wg did to wot

i literally play warthunder now because of it and it is that much better.

[Tiberius]

More and more games are breaking 1million or 10million milestone faster than ever

Op: gaming is dead btw

[D. Flame]

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More and more games are breaking 1million or 10million milestone faster than ever

Op: gaming is dead btw

More and more homogenization, you mean. More and more games are copy-pasta. One out of one hundred succeeds and gets a bunch of sales, while ninety-nine flop an lose money hand over fist.

For every Palword success story, you have dozens and dozens of Suicide Squads and Avengers flops.

[Tiberius]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Tiberius:

More and more games are breaking 1million or 10million milestone faster than ever

Op: gaming is dead btw

More and more homogenization, you mean. More and more games are copy-pasta. One out of one hundred succeeds and gets a bunch of sales, while ninety-nine flop an lose money hand over fist.

For every Palword success story, you have dozens and dozens of Suicide Squads and Avengers flops.

Heres a list of last year goty candidates:

Baldurs gate 3
Super mario bros wonder
LoZ: Tears of the kingdom
Hi-fi rush
The lies of p
Resident evil 4
Dave the diver
Terra nil
Dredge
Sea of stars
Remnant 2
Armored core 6
Street fighter 6
Pikmin 4

Pls do tell us how those games are a copy pasta of each other.

Gaming is dead btw

[D. Flame]

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More and more homogenization, you mean. More and more games are copy-pasta. One out of one hundred succeeds and gets a bunch of sales, while ninety-nine flop an lose money hand over fist.

For every Palword success story, you have dozens and dozens of Suicide Squads and Avengers flops.

Heres a list of last year goty candidates:

Baldurs gate 3
Super mario bros wonder
LoZ: Tears of the kingdom
Hi-fi rush
The lies of p
Resident evil 4
Dave the diver
Terra nil
Dredge
Sea of stars
Remnant 2
Armored core 6
Street fighter 6
Pikmin 4

Pls do tell us how those games are a copy pasta of each other.

Gaming is dead btw

Baldurs gate 3
-only liked because it is basically a porn game

Super mario bros wonder
-trash, only talked about because it has Mario in the name

LoZ: Tears of the kingdom
-only legit game in this list, was actually great, even it was a copy pasta of BotW with one extra gimmick

Hi-fi rush
-No one even talked about this after like a week

The lies of p
-dime store soulslike

Resident evil 4
-legit trash, more like a copy pasta of the other remakes than it was like the OG RE4

Armored Core 6
-mid, copy pasta of Sekiro gameplay philosophy

Etc.

[Tiberius]

"Guys, why do games look like a copy pasta when i am actively looking for games within the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥ battleroyale genre?"

[FOXDUDE69]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Tiberius:

More and more games are breaking 1million or 10million milestone faster than ever

Op: gaming is dead btw

Indeed. Gaming is in a very healthy place.

The gaming demographic is bigger than ever. Nearly every boy born today will become a gamer and girls are gaming more and more.

Yes, multiplayer games are massive, and the most popular ones will reach remarkable player counts but a multiplayer game that is several years old and remains very popular is, generally speaking, very different today than when it launched. It has evolved and improved over the years and that's why it's still popular. Fortnite is the perfect example of this, so going "oh but it's from 2017" is the wrong way of looking at things. 2017 Fortnite is not the same game as 2024 Fortnite.

In contrast, Single player games are not designed to keep you playing forever. Single player games tend to have max 1 or 2 years of support for new content and then the team moves on to the next game, and players themselves do the same, they'll play whatever the new hotness is and then go on to play something else, old or new.

And it's always been like this. Back in the arcade days, you'd walk into an arcade and there was a small crowd of people hanging around by the new fighting game machines. There was always a crowd hanging around the newest version of Street Fighter 2, the new Mortal Kombat or the new Tekken, but that didn't mean we weren't playing a ton of other games at home. Doom, Super Mario World, Streets of Rage 2, Ecco The Freaking Dolphin.

Every time I see a "GAMING IS DYING" thumbnail on youtube, I roll my eyes.

Gaming is fine. Look at 2023! Baldurs Gate 3, Tears of the Kingdom, Super Mario Wonder, Spider-Man 2, Hi-Fi Rush, Final Fantasy XVI and Sea of Starts! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!

You look at the year before and it was just as good! Horizon Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarök, Raft, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Kirby and the Forgotten Land and Elden Ring!

If gaming is dying, it's putting up a hell of a fight, lol!

[BJWyler]

In 2010, the industry as a whole raked in $78 billion.

In 2015, that number grew to $97 billion.

From 2019 through 2021, the industry pulled in $147, $177, and $190 billion, respectively.

2022 was a down year, yet saw $183 billion in profits.

2023 brought in about $184 billion.

Gaming is far from dead. What is dead are those gamers who refuse to accept and adapt with an ever changing paradigm in the industry such as microtransactions and inclusion. And those gamers will not be missed.

If gaming is dead, then long live gaming, because it's thriving.

[MrQun]

It's not dead, but it's definitely down the toilet right now. I don't know about other countries but here is Australia we have a saying: "The people get the government it deserves." However, this sentiment can be pretty much be applied to anything that has a market.

The game industry is garbage because the vast majority of gamer's standards are garbage. This is the reason why so many game developers are becoming more lazy, greedy and incompetent with each passing year as they continue to release broken, unpolished, and unoptimized crap. And most gamers are so clueless that, not only are they allowing it to happen, but they're also encouraging it as well.

Now here comes the BS excuses from the enablers.....

[Volfogg]

It's been dead for a while, just like people's "modern" standards being utter crap. I wouldn't be surprised if another 1983 would happen.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Heres a list of last year goty candidates:

Baldurs gate 3
Super mario bros wonder
LoZ: Tears of the kingdom
Hi-fi rush
The lies of p
Resident evil 4
Dave the diver
Terra nil
Dredge
Sea of stars
Remnant 2
Armored core 6
Street fighter 6
Pikmin 4

Pls do tell us how those games are a copy pasta of each other.

Gaming is dead btw

Baldurs gate 3
-only liked because it is basically a porn game

Super mario bros wonder
-trash, only talked about because it has Mario in the name

LoZ: Tears of the kingdom
-only legit game in this list, was actually great, even it was a copy pasta of BotW with one extra gimmick

Hi-fi rush
-No one even talked about this after like a week

The lies of p
-dime store soulslike

Resident evil 4
-legit trash, more like a copy pasta of the other remakes than it was like the OG RE4

Armored Core 6
-mid, copy pasta of Sekiro gameplay philosophy

Etc.

If you think BG3 was "basically a porn game" you should have just stopped the embarrassment there.