a simple misunderstanding or I just don't get the context?

[Phobos]

I'm simply trying to understand the reasoning behind calling person B's response Inflammatory and Disrespectful with my reply as person C.

There was a discussion when I joined, I'm person C and saw:


Person A: said something, which I can't find or remember clearly but I suspect it was untoward or interpreted as such.

Person B then said: typical basement dwelling troglodyte all talk and no actual substance..

Which I said, Person C: Exactly what an AI Troglodyte would say


Now, I was under the impression that being playful, that is using a play of words and ending with "steammocking" would have suffice to bring out the context and point of view I was coming from that is a simple jest on person B.

This resulted in a ban which I opened a ticket to try and explain myself with the intent of finding out why I am being called Inflammatory and Disrespectful (which seems to be a language barrier on my side?):

Let's break down what we have so far:

1. Definitions:
Inflammatory: Something that is designed to provoke or intensify strong negative emotional reactions, especially anger and indignation.

Disrespectful: Showing a lack of respect or courtesy; impolite.
Tongue in cheek: A statement or other expression that is not meant to be taken seriously, often a form of humor.

Word play: The clever or witty use of language, often involving the humorous use of words with more than one meaning.

Playfully sarcastic: Using sarcasm in a light-hearted or joking manner, often to mock or tease in a friendly way.

2. The Scenario:
Person A posts something that can be considered nonsense. Person B responds with a derogatory comment, calling Person A a “typical basement dwelling troglodyte all talk and no actual substance.” I then respond to Person B, saying “Exactly what an AI Troglodyte would say,” accompanied by a playfully mocking smiley.

3. Analysis:
My comment to Person B was a form of mocking, but it was done in a playful and sarcastic manner, not meant to be taken seriously (tongue in cheek). I were not being inflammatory or disrespectful because I were not provoking strong negative emotions or showing a lack of respect. Instead, I were engaging in word play and humor.

4. Conclusion:
My behavior was not similar to Person B’s. While Person B made a derogatory comment meant to belittle Person A, I made a playful comment meant to mock Person B’s behavior. This is not the same as engaging in the same behavior as Person B. Instead, I were pointing out Person B’s behavior in a humorous and playful way. Therefore, my comment can be seen as a form of playful sarcasm and not as inflammatory or disrespectful.

I do understand that the interpretation of such comments can vary greatly depending on the person and the context. What one person finds humorous, another might find offensive. It's always important to consider the potential impact of our words on others.

However, this also seemed to have gotten lost in translation or I'm just being obtuse about it. Which I really do not understand.

Should I rather then if this is the case and there is now clear reasoning or explanation I have missed best to avoid steam discussions as a whole.

Or is there a better approach to this?

Thanks.

[76561199675426607]

Автор сообщения: D. Flame

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

Yeah, when I think about it, I guess that's what it meant at some point. Yet to me it doesn't mean that. I take it to mean, playfully teasing. It's not really "attacking". It might be insulting, but not with a bad intention.

And would you really use an emoji if you would want to actually attack someone?

No one care what it means in your head. People only care about what it means IRL.

Oh really? What does that mean, IRL? Does meaning of language exist anywhere except in people's heads? What you're saying does not make sense, you are being aggressive for some reason.

[D. Flame]

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

Автор сообщения: D. Flame

No one care what it means in your head. People only care about what it means IRL.

Oh really? What does that mean, IRL?

See:

Автор сообщения: D. Flame

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mocking

Mocking

mocking behaviour involves laughing at someone or something in an unkind way:

[76561199676322390]

Автор сообщения: D. Flame

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

Oh really? What does that mean, IRL?

See:

Автор сообщения: D. Flame

{ССЫЛКА УДАЛЕНА}https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/mocking

Do you understand what a dictionary is? It's like a logbook, a glossary, a reference. It tries to DESCRIBE language as it is actually used by the people. Language evolves naturally, and dictionaries follow. It is quite strange that you seem to think that dictionaries should DICTATE language to us.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

Автор сообщения: wesnef

*Is* this actually 'generally understood'? I'll say it's the first time I've heard of that emoticon meaning anything specific.
(without knowing that, I'd have thought that it's emphasizing the comment it's part of, not being a visual version of "/s" or "/jk")

;) and :P should be generally understood to signify that something is said in jest. "steammocking" is equivalent to :P, I think that is obvious. And "mocking" tells you that as well.

"One weird trick to prevent bans forever. Mods hate him!"

No, you can't just add an emoji to an insult to avoid being banned.

[76561199676322390]

Автор сообщения: Doctor Zalgo

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

;) and :P should be generally understood to signify that something is said in jest. "steammocking" is equivalent to :P, I think that is obvious. And "mocking" tells you that as well.

"One weird trick to prevent bans forever. Mods hate him!"

No, you can't just add an emoji to an insult to avoid being banned.

What a weird, deconstructionist take. I guess you don't think that adding a word, such as "not", can completely change the meaning of a sentence either?

[Crazy Tiger]

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

Автор сообщения: Doctor Zalgo

"One weird trick to prevent bans forever. Mods hate him!"

No, you can't just add an emoji to an insult to avoid being banned.

What a weird, deconstructionist take. I guess you don't think that adding a word, such as "not", can completely change the meaning of a sentence either?

If adding a word happens in an attempt to try and disguise an insult, it indeed doesn't actually change the meaning. Which is what was being said.

[Doctor Zalgo]

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

Автор сообщения: Doctor Zalgo

"One weird trick to prevent bans forever. Mods hate him!"

No, you can't just add an emoji to an insult to avoid being banned.

What a weird, deconstructionist take. I guess you don't think that adding a word, such as "not", can completely change the meaning of a sentence either?

Emoticons and words are not the same. Everyone should have an agreed understanding of what 'not' means because we wrote it down in a book so we could communicate.

There's no agreed definition of ':)' that means 'the previous block of insults I just hurled at you wasn't real.'




:)

[76561199676322390]

Автор сообщения: Crazy Tiger

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

What a weird, deconstructionist take. I guess you don't think that adding a word, such as "not", can completely change the meaning of a sentence either?

If adding a word happens in an attempt to try and disguise an insult, it indeed doesn't actually change the meaning. Which is what was being said.

You guys are getting more and more ridiculous. It's like you really want to be insulted so bad that you will actually look for it, or even make it up. Which indeed will not be far from the truth for certain people.

[76561199676322390]

Автор сообщения: Doctor Zalgo

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

What a weird, deconstructionist take. I guess you don't think that adding a word, such as "not", can completely change the meaning of a sentence either?

Emoticons and words are not the same. Everyone should have an agreed understanding of what 'not' means because we wrote it down in a book so we could communicate.

There's no agreed definition of ':)' that means 'the previous block of insults I just hurled at you wasn't real.'




:)

There is, at least for some of them, which I explained above. They are meant as a substitute for tone of voice and facial expression, which can ALSO completely change the meaning of a sentence.

[D. Flame]

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

Автор сообщения: Crazy Tiger

If adding a word happens in an attempt to try and disguise an insult, it indeed doesn't actually change the meaning. Which is what was being said.

You guys are getting more and more ridiculous. It's like you really want to be insulted so bad that you will actually look for it, or even make it up. Which indeed will not be far from the truth for certain people.

The OP got banned for insulting someone. He asked if he was missing something, so we explained it for him.

Whether you two accept the facts or not is irrelevant. The ban remains, and continuing to act in the same way in the future will likely lead to the mods banning you again. No skin off of my nose either way, so you do you.

[Crazy Tiger]

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

Автор сообщения: Crazy Tiger

If adding a word happens in an attempt to try and disguise an insult, it indeed doesn't actually change the meaning. Which is what was being said.

You guys are getting more and more ridiculous. It's like you really want to be insulted so bad that you will actually look for it, or even make it up. Which indeed will not be far from the truth for certain people.

You're now just making stuff up.

Adding an emoji to an insult doesn't remove the insult. It's quite simple. Not talking about a harmless sarcastic remark, but an insult.

[76561199676322390]

Автор сообщения: Crazy Tiger

Автор сообщения: bijteblaffer

You guys are getting more and more ridiculous. It's like you really want to be insulted so bad that you will actually look for it, or even make it up. Which indeed will not be far from the truth for certain people.

You're now just making stuff up.

Adding an emoji to an insult doesn't remove the insult. It's quite simple. Not talking about a harmless sarcastic remark, but an insult.

Nobody does that. That's why I say you are looking for it. If the emoji is there, it is meant to be in jest. It does not make any sense to say that it is actually an insult "covered up by" an emoji.

[Volfogg]

Oh, dunno. Maybe just accept that people here have and will have this weird habit of snitching on others for any reason. Why? Why care? Seems like needless overreacting, because "hurt feelings". Very vindictive behavior also.

[mldb88]

Автор сообщения: nordic

Автор сообщения: Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)

Except that's absolutely wrong. You get banned for breaking the rules, which really arent that hard to understand, except apparently for some people.

Reports are not automated, and mass reporting does literally nothing.
Prove me wrong by getting me banned for a random post like this one here. Nothing is going to happen, like it never did when I asked people to prove it to me.

I've heard that a gazillion times by now and it is complete bs. Where do you people even get this from? It's not because you actually know how things work over here, that's for sure.

You know why? Because the rules say you can't say things which are "argumentative". Which means you already broke the rules by disagreeing with him.

At least, in theory. Maybe the mod who happens to read the report thinks otherwise. Maybe not. Who knows.

Edit: Nvm I see you are one of "those people". People who always say exactly what you said and somehow have an investment into clinging to that. Don't even bother replying, I'm tired of your ♥♥♥♥.

Simply disagreeing is not being argumentative, though using semantics and twisting definitions to fit your narrative in bad faith on the other hand…

Funny how types like this can only justify their behavior by twisting words and definitions, or making up rediculous claims like adding an emoji suddenly makes insulting someone suddenly ok, kind of like how some people might claim “no offense but” suddenly makes a horribly offensive statement not offensive (pro tip, it doesn’t).

[D. Flame]

Автор сообщения: Volfogg

Oh, dunno. Maybe just accept that people here have and will have this weird habit of snitching on others for any reason. Why? Why care? Seems like needless overreacting, because "hurt feelings". Very vindictive behavior also.

Back Valve used volunteer mods, they would form cliques. Their buddies would call you every name in the book, but if you replied, even just quoting their post where they calling YOU names, the mods would ban you for 1 to 3 days, and their buddies would, at worst, just have their posted deleted without consequences.

If you tried to report their abusive posts after that, the volunteer mods would just give you a warning for being vindictive and abusing the report system instead.

So people just learned to "report first, retort never." That went on until Steam realized something was up and force retired (aka fired) all the volunteer mods (the few good ones got offered paid positions, so it was win-win).

The thing is, that report first mentality stuck, even after the volunteer mods (aka community members with mod powers) were long gone. That's why this place is like it is.